(09-11-2024 08:11 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  Trump offered nothing… no plans, no specifics, nothing but lies & grievance.
His response on his “healthcare” plan was completely representative of his entire performance. If there are people who were truly undecided going into last night’s debate, then he certainly helped make their decision for them.

It is pretty simple:

From 2017 up until Covid - the economy affected me personally very little by comparison to 2021 until current. And it is not even close.

You and Tanq and anyone else can argue differently, but I know how I was/am affected.

(09-11-2024 08:12 AM)WalkThePlank Wrote:  

(09-11-2024 08:11 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  Trump offered nothing… no plans, no specifics, nothing but lies & grievance.
His response on his “healthcare” plan was completely representative of his entire performance. If there are people who were truly undecided going into last night’s debate, then he certainly helped make their decision for them.

So what did Harris offer?

Did she crystallize her policy plans? No.

Did she have planned talking points ahead of time that deviated from the question? Yes.

She spoke on new housing initiatives for 1st time home buyers, small business tax credits of 50k, a tax credit for families of 6k…

She was prepared. He was a rambling wreck. Trump didn’t cost himself with his base, as Biden did in June, but he certainly didn’t help himself with undecideds either. Harris, on the other hand, clearly did.

Kamala - “I have a plan”


Kamala’s official website:

(09-11-2024 08:15 AM)Eldonabe Wrote:  

(09-11-2024 08:11 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  Trump offered nothing… no plans, no specifics, nothing but lies & grievance.
His response on his “healthcare” plan was completely representative of his entire performance. If there are people who were truly undecided going into last night’s debate, then he certainly helped make their decision for them.

It is pretty simple:

From 2017 up until Covid - the economy affected me personally very little by comparison to 2021 until current. And it is not even close.

You and Tanq and anyone else can argue differently, but I know how I was/am affected.

Comparing a pre-Covid economy with a post-Covid economy is simple but completely incomparable; and most realize it. There is ZERO Donald Trump can do to lower the cost of living & his idea of implementing a substantial tariff on imported Chinese goods will only increase it.

(09-11-2024 08:35 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(09-11-2024 08:12 AM)WalkThePlank Wrote:  

(09-11-2024 08:11 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  Trump offered nothing… no plans, no specifics, nothing but lies & grievance.
His response on his “healthcare” plan was completely representative of his entire performance. If there are people who were truly undecided going into last night’s debate, then he certainly helped make their decision for them.

So what did Harris offer?

Did she crystallize her policy plans? No.

Did she have planned talking points ahead of time that deviated from the question? Yes.

She spoke on new housing initiatives for 1st time home buyers, small business tax credits of 50k, a tax credit for families of 6k…

She was prepared. He was a rambling wreck. Trump didn’t cost himself with his base, as Biden did in June, but he certainly didn’t help himself with undecideds either. Harris, on the other hand, clearly did.

“Clearly did”

And to what evidence do you have of this? She absolutely did not give clear and concise answers throughout the debate. Wtf were you watching?

(09-11-2024 08:52 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(09-11-2024 08:15 AM)Eldonabe Wrote:  

(09-11-2024 08:11 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  Trump offered nothing… no plans, no specifics, nothing but lies & grievance.
His response on his “healthcare” plan was completely representative of his entire performance. If there are people who were truly undecided going into last night’s debate, then he certainly helped make their decision for them.

It is pretty simple:

From 2017 up until Covid - the economy affected me personally very little by comparison to 2021 until current. And it is not even close.

You and Tanq and anyone else can argue differently, but I know how I was/am affected.

Comparing a pre-Covid economy with a post-Covid economy is simple but completely incomparable; and most realize it. There is ZERO Donald Trump can do to lower the cost of living & his idea of implementing a substantial tariff on imported Chinese goods will only increase it.

“Most realize it”

Except they don’t. It’s a lie to suggest that people are giving the current administration a pass because of post covid factors. She still isn’t beating Trump on the economy/inflation AFTER the debate.

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(09-11-2024 08:52 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(09-11-2024 08:15 AM)Eldonabe Wrote:  

(09-11-2024 08:11 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  Trump offered nothing… no plans, no specifics, nothing but lies & grievance.
His response on his “healthcare” plan was completely representative of his entire performance. If there are people who were truly undecided going into last night’s debate, then he certainly helped make their decision for them.

It is pretty simple:

From 2017 up until Covid - the economy affected me personally very little by comparison to 2021 until current. And it is not even close.

You and Tanq and anyone else can argue differently, but I know how I was/am affected.

Comparing a pre-Covid economy with a post-Covid economy is simple but completely incomparable; and most realize it. There is ZERO Donald Trump can do to lower the cost of living & his idea of implementing a substantial tariff on imported Chinese goods will only increase it.

Biden has done nothing other than "ride it out". Nobody knows....nobody... how Trump would have handled coming out of covid. The one thing I can "guess" however, is that he would have done something (or at least tried to). Biden did NOTHING.

The border is another issue smart guy.... on that I can speculate... Biden administration allowed millions (and millions) more border crossers than Trump did and Trump would have if he was in the office now.

I am all for immigrants who want to get in here within our rules, but there are multiples more who Biden allowed who DO NOT GAF about our laws and are wreaking havoc on cities across this country. That lies at the feet of the Border Czar as well ad JB and Mayorkas.... If you cannot even admit that you are simply blinded by hatred for Trump.

(09-11-2024 08:35 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(09-11-2024 08:12 AM)WalkThePlank Wrote:  

(09-11-2024 08:11 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  Trump offered nothing… no plans, no specifics, nothing but lies & grievance.
His response on his “healthcare” plan was completely representative of his entire performance. If there are people who were truly undecided going into last night’s debate, then he certainly helped make their decision for them.

So what did Harris offer?

Did she crystallize her policy plans? No.

Did she have planned talking points ahead of time that deviated from the question? Yes.

She spoke on new housing initiatives for 1st time home buyers, small business tax credits of 50k, a tax credit for families of 6k…

She was prepared. He was a rambling wreck. Trump didn’t cost himself with his base, as Biden did in June, but he certainly didn’t help himself with undecideds either. Harris, on the other hand, clearly did.

Really? Then why did her numbers on the economy go down in the CNN poll right after the debate?

That's the #1 item for voters this time.

(09-11-2024 08:35 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(09-11-2024 08:12 AM)WalkThePlank Wrote:  

(09-11-2024 08:11 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  Trump offered nothing… no plans, no specifics, nothing but lies & grievance.
His response on his “healthcare” plan was completely representative of his entire performance. If there are people who were truly undecided going into last night’s debate, then he certainly helped make their decision for them.

So what did Harris offer?

Did she crystallize her policy plans? No.

Did she have planned talking points ahead of time that deviated from the question? Yes.

She spoke on new housing initiatives for 1st time home buyers, small business tax credits of 50k, a tax credit for families of 6k…

She was prepared. He was a rambling wreck. Trump didn’t cost himself with his base, as Biden did in June, but he certainly didn’t help himself with undecideds either. Harris, on the other hand, clearly did.

You are partially correct. She laid out her plan to keep printing money and handing it out.

Smart people understand that is a recipe for disaster, considering our current financial situation. Dumb people just hear "free money" and get excited. Fortunately for her, there are a LOT of dumb people.

Oops

(09-11-2024 09:40 AM)oruvoice Wrote:  

(09-11-2024 08:35 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(09-11-2024 08:12 AM)WalkThePlank Wrote:  

(09-11-2024 08:11 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  Trump offered nothing… no plans, no specifics, nothing but lies & grievance.
His response on his “healthcare” plan was completely representative of his entire performance. If there are people who were truly undecided going into last night’s debate, then he certainly helped make their decision for them.

So what did Harris offer?

Did she crystallize her policy plans? No.

Did she have planned talking points ahead of time that deviated from the question? Yes.

She spoke on new housing initiatives for 1st time home buyers, small business tax credits of 50k, a tax credit for families of 6k…

She was prepared. He was a rambling wreck. Trump didn’t cost himself with his base, as Biden did in June, but he certainly didn’t help himself with undecideds either. Harris, on the other hand, clearly did.

You are partially correct. She laid out her plan to keep printing money and handing it out.

Smart people understand that is a recipe for disaster, considering our current financial situation. Dumb people just hear "free money" and get excited. Fortunately for her, there are a LOT of dumb people.

Those same dumb people constantly complain about inflation without ever connecting the dots. The D's like it that way.

(09-11-2024 02:11 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  Oops

That didn't take long. Her bounce backs don't last as long as some people's farts.

By the way, Trump is now leading Harris by 3 points in today's latest Marist poll, 49%-46% among independent voters.

So much for "winning" the debate...

She. Is. An. Idiot. With. Zero. Substance!

(09-11-2024 03:36 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(09-11-2024 02:11 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  Oops

That didn't take long. Her bounce backs don't last as long as some people's farts.

By the way, Trump is now leading Harris by 3 points in today's latest Marist poll, 49%-46% among independent voters.

So much for "winning" the debate...

She didnt win shite

(09-11-2024 09:13 AM)Eldonabe Wrote:  

(09-11-2024 08:52 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(09-11-2024 08:15 AM)Eldonabe Wrote:  

(09-11-2024 08:11 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  Trump offered nothing… no plans, no specifics, nothing but lies & grievance.
His response on his “healthcare” plan was completely representative of his entire performance. If there are people who were truly undecided going into last night’s debate, then he certainly helped make their decision for them.

It is pretty simple:

From 2017 up until Covid - the economy affected me personally very little by comparison to 2021 until current. And it is not even close.

You and Tanq and anyone else can argue differently, but I know how I was/am affected.

Comparing a pre-Covid economy with a post-Covid economy is simple but completely incomparable; and most realize it. There is ZERO Donald Trump can do to lower the cost of living & his idea of implementing a substantial tariff on imported Chinese goods will only increase it.

Biden has done nothing other than "ride it out". Nobody knows....nobody... how Trump would have handled coming out of covid. The one thing I can "guess" however, is that he would have done something (or at least tried to). Biden did NOTHING.

The border is another issue smart guy.... on that I can speculate... Biden administration allowed millions (and millions) more border crossers than Trump did and Trump would have if he was in the office now.

I am all for immigrants who want to get in here within our rules, but there are multiples more who Biden allowed who DO NOT GAF about our laws and are wreaking havoc on cities across this country. That lies at the feet of the Border Czar as well ad JB and Mayorkas.... If you cannot even admit that you are simply blinded by hatred for Trump.

Im not anymore. Frick all of em.. go back and fix yout shiteholes dont duplicate them here.

Walking across the border doesnt change the fact they built, lived in, then left shiteholes.

No more shitehole makers. We have enough.

My wife is a legal resident, and am connected with many other legal residents. They are not happy with the unfairness of the Biden admin.

(09-11-2024 08:35 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(09-11-2024 08:12 AM)WalkThePlank Wrote:  

(09-11-2024 08:11 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  Trump offered nothing… no plans, no specifics, nothing but lies & grievance.
His response on his “healthcare” plan was completely representative of his entire performance. If there are people who were truly undecided going into last night’s debate, then he certainly helped make their decision for them.

So what did Harris offer?

Did she crystallize her policy plans? No.

Did she have planned talking points ahead of time that deviated from the question? Yes.

She spoke on new housing initiatives for 1st time home buyers, small business tax credits of 50k, a tax credit for families of 6k…

She was prepared. He was a rambling wreck. Trump didn’t cost himself with his base, as Biden did in June, but he certainly didn’t help himself with undecideds either. Harris, on the other hand, clearly did.

So more money out of my pocket to support others that have made questionable decisions. Start a family, be sure you can support it. Start a business, be sure you can fund it. Why is it my responsibility, ALWAYS, to pay for other's orgasms, businesses, college, etc. just because I have worked all my life, saved as I should, not been in legal trouble, and done everything expected of citizen, including military service.

(09-11-2024 08:35 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(09-11-2024 08:12 AM)WalkThePlank Wrote:  

(09-11-2024 08:11 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  Trump offered nothing… no plans, no specifics, nothing but lies & grievance.
His response on his “healthcare” plan was completely representative of his entire performance. If there are people who were truly undecided going into last night’s debate, then he certainly helped make their decision for them.

So what did Harris offer?

Did she crystallize her policy plans? No.

Did she have planned talking points ahead of time that deviated from the question? Yes.

She spoke on new housing initiatives for 1st time home buyers, small business tax credits of 50k, a tax credit for families of 6k…

She was prepared. He was a rambling wreck. Trump didn’t cost himself with his base, as Biden did in June, but he certainly didn’t help himself with undecideds either. Harris, on the other hand, clearly did.

Quote:The Child Tax Credit and the Budget
The CTC is among the largest tax expenditures — in 2023 it was the fourth most expensive tax expenditure and cost $122 billion,

That's with the credit at $2,000 so at $6,000 it bring the cost of that to....

1/3 of a trillion dollars a year. Most families with children pay a tax rate of 3 to 6%. With the $6,000 their tax rate will fall to 0 or -0.

So explain to me why people in their 50s and working Sr's, along with those who do not have children should pay for this give away? I'm talking college student and those that's just starting out because the average age for having a child in America is now around 30 years old. You think it's a good ideal to give a parent $108,000 over 18 years just because they had a child? You do know there is no limit to the number of children? Five children would be $540,000 of welfare for that parent.

While you are doing that dive into the $25k for first time home buyers and tell me why I should pay to give you 25k to help you buy a home? When you do that go ahead and tell us what that's going to do for the housing market? Oh, hell I'll tell you....

its going to do the very same thing that took place in late 2021 till six months ago. It's going to drive supply way lower than demand and prices will start shooting up, and up and up, till that 25K is a negative by the time you buy the home.

In my area price cuts have been taken place steadily for about 6 months. Now I live in a city of 60k so that might be different in a major city. But my guess and I track these things (close but not totally) so its not really a guess. At least 75% of all homes listed had price cuts of 2 to more before selling. I'm talking total of about 20 to 25%

Sorry but that's not helping to drive prices down...

Since 2010 we bought 101 homes and some we sold for 3x the amount paid but I'm going to limit the below to Trump and Biden as president

between 2016 and 2020 we bought 32 homes and between 2022 and 2024 we sold 28 of those homes for a 85% to 140% increase in price. And very few updates on them. I'm talking homes we bought in the 75k to 130K range for rentals. Major city you talking 170k to 290k for these homes....2 & 3 BR 1000 to 1400 sq ft

The only thing giving people 25k will do is cost them more money when prices start shooting back up. Guess what that's also going to do....

PROPERTY TAX is also going up for everyone

(09-11-2024 10:29 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(09-11-2024 08:35 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(09-11-2024 08:12 AM)WalkThePlank Wrote:  

(09-11-2024 08:11 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  Trump offered nothing… no plans, no specifics, nothing but lies & grievance.
His response on his “healthcare” plan was completely representative of his entire performance. If there are people who were truly undecided going into last night’s debate, then he certainly helped make their decision for them.

So what did Harris offer?

Did she crystallize her policy plans? No.

Did she have planned talking points ahead of time that deviated from the question? Yes.

She spoke on new housing initiatives for 1st time home buyers, small business tax credits of 50k, a tax credit for families of 6k…

She was prepared. He was a rambling wreck. Trump didn’t cost himself with his base, as Biden did in June, but he certainly didn’t help himself with undecideds either. Harris, on the other hand, clearly did.

Quote:The Child Tax Credit and the Budget
The CTC is among the largest tax expenditures — in 2023 it was the fourth most expensive tax expenditure and cost $122 billion,

That's with the credit at $2,000 so at $6,000 it bring the cost of that to....

1/3 of a trillion dollars a year. Most families with children pay a tax rate of 3 to 6%. With the $6,000 their tax rate will fall to 0 or -0.

So explain to me why people in their 50s and working Sr's, along with those who do not have children should pay for this give away? I'm talking college student and those that's just starting out because the average age for having a child in America is now around 30 years old. You think it's a good ideal to give a parent $108,000 over 18 years just because they had a child? You do know there is no limit to the number of children? Five children would be $540,000 of welfare for that parent.

While you are doing that dive into the $25k for first time home buyers and tell me why I should pay to give you 25k to help you buy a home? When you do that go ahead and tell us what that's going to do for the housing market? Oh, hell I'll tell you....

its going to do the very same thing that took place in late 2021 till six months ago. It's going to drive supply way lower than demand and prices will start shooting up, and up and up, till that 25K is a negative by the time you buy the home.

In my area price cuts have been taken place steadily for about 6 months. Now I live in a city of 60k so that might be different in a major city. But my guess and I track these things (close but not totally) so its not really a guess. At least 75% of all homes listed had price cuts of 2 to more before selling. I'm talking total of about 20 to 25%

Sorry but that's not helping to drive prices down...

Since 2010 we bought 101 homes and some we sold for 3x the amount paid but I'm going to limit the below to Trump and Biden as president

between 2016 and 2020 we bought 32 homes and between 2022 and 2024 we sold 28 of those homes for a 85% to 140% increase in price. And very few updates on them. I'm talking homes we bought in the 75k to 130K range for rentals. Major city you talking 170k to 290k for these homes....2 & 3 BR 1000 to 1400 sq ft

The only thing giving people 25k will do is cost them more money when prices start shooting back up. Guess what that's also going to do....

PROPERTY TAX is also going up for everyone

With the above, why should anyone pay for your mortgage with the mortgage interest deduction? Are you as equally opposed to that as much as Harris’s proposal?