(08-12-2024 11:18 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Please cite the factual information stating that crime is up.

Trust me, it won't end well for you. A few stories about an illegal committing a crime do not mean crime is up.

Start here:
https://www.google.com/search?q=crime+st...e&ie=UTF-8

Anecdotally, ... https://www.inforum.com/opinion/columns/...fe-for-all
Do make note of the author and his place/status in downtown Fargo.

(08-12-2024 10:58 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(08-12-2024 10:38 AM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  

(08-12-2024 10:13 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(08-12-2024 10:09 AM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  

(08-12-2024 09:39 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  which are post-Covid realities for western every nation on the planet… the US, however, is in a much better position than most.

Gas in Memphis in August 2019 was about $2.70 per gallon… in August of 2024 its $3.05.

https://www.gasbuddy.com/charts

I bought gas locally for $2.17 per gallon on inauguration day 1/20/21 and kept the receipt because I had a strong feeling that it would be the lowest price I would see for it in a while. Gas went up in price the next day and hasn't been down to $2.17 per gallon or lower in my area since.

I bought gas near Kings Island in Ohio in the summer of 1998 for $.89 per gallon. I didn't keep the receipt, but I had a strong feeling I would never see that low of a price again.

1998? You could get it in the 60's for $0.25 per gallon.

Once again, your "information" is not relevant to the conversation and you're merely trying to distract from the facts.

Dude, my point is that your personal anecdote of the gas price on a date in your corner of the world doesn't mean a ******* thing either because you clearly have no idea on how gas prices work. I've explained it to you for years now. I can't make you understand it.

Yet another lame attempt at distracting from the facts.

Oh, by the way, I already know how gas pricing works "Dude". I've explained that and many other things to you for years. I can't make you understand it though. Getting off that daily Democrat Kool-Aid high that you seek isn't in your DNA.

(08-12-2024 10:53 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(08-12-2024 10:32 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(08-12-2024 09:39 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(08-12-2024 09:26 AM)bearcat65 Wrote:  Energy, food, inflation, and illegal border crossings all significantly higher that when Trump was in office.

which are post-Covid realities for western every nation on the planet… the US, however, is in a much better position than most.

Gas in Memphis in August 2019 was about $2.70 per gallon… in August of 2024 its $3.05.

https://www.gasbuddy.com/charts

From your link:

5 year average nation wide 2019-2024:



Look closely. Average in August 2019 was about $2.60. Average now is about $3.40. That's a 30% INCREASE.

BUT WAIT. Look what happened a little later than August of 2019.

Average prices fell to $1.74 by April of 2020. So $3.40 is about a 100% increase.

BUT WAIT. It actually gets worse. In June of 2022, there AVERAGE price of a gallon of gas in the US was $5.01.

Let's see, from Trump's low to Biden's high is almost THREE TIMES as much.

Even if you track Biden's average across the years vs. Trump's, it's a bloodbath.

And the only real presidential actions in those times that affected gas prices were trumps production cut deal with OPEC which caused the $5 gas and Biden's release of the SPR that brought things down a tad. And we're actually finding out now that there was like 4 or 5 pieces of legislation supported by nearly all GOP senators that mandated sales from the SPR to account for budget short falls. Oops.

Presidents don't directly control the daily price of gas at the pump. It's ALL controlled by the global market and the laws of supply and demand. The biggest cut in the supply was the direct result of the nearly 10 million barrel a day cut by OPEC for two years which trump signed.

The Biden administration killed pipeline proposals and limited drilling. They have been making coal mining difficult.

It IS the policy of the Democratic Party to throw coal miners out of work (they have bragged about that) and drive up energy prices in order to conserve and to generate less greenhouse gases. They also have dramatically driven up car prices with their mileage standards.

You can argue that is good long term policy, but denying the impact on energy prices and car prices is just a bald faced lie, one of the biggest the Democrats tell.

If you don't acknowledge that you can't be taken seriously.

(08-12-2024 11:18 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(08-12-2024 11:17 AM)MemTigers1998 Wrote:  You know this ad is knocking it out of the park when the goofy libs here are tripping over themselves trying to disprove it saying silly things like crime is down and blaming Trump for the economic disaster of the last 3.5 years.

Please cite the factual information stating that crime is up.

Trust me, it won't end well for you. A few stories about an illegal committing a crime do not mean crime is up.

A few stories lol

It’s every day that some illegal who snuck in on the border czars watch is killing, raping, robbing, whatever. When you stop arresting people for stealing under $1000 and then say crime is down, that’s just liberal stupidity. Same as changing the parameters of what classifies as a recession so that this pathetic current admin didn’t put us in one.

Debates and election can’t happen soon enough to end this stupidity.

(08-12-2024 11:25 AM)MemTigers1998 Wrote:  

(08-12-2024 11:18 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(08-12-2024 11:17 AM)MemTigers1998 Wrote:  You know this ad is knocking it out of the park when the goofy libs here are tripping over themselves trying to disprove it saying silly things like crime is down and blaming Trump for the economic disaster of the last 3.5 years.

Please cite the factual information stating that crime is up.

Trust me, it won't end well for you. A few stories about an illegal committing a crime do not mean crime is up.

A few stories lol

It’s every day that some illegal who snuck in on the border czars watch is killing, raping, robbing, whatever. When you stop arresting people for stealing under $1000 and then say crime is down, that’s just liberal stupidity. Same as changing the parameters of what classifies as a recession so that this pathetic current admin didn’t put us in one.

Debates and election can’t happen soon enough to end this stupidity.

All you have to do is walk into a drug store or retail or even Home Depot and see all the items locked up. In New York City, probably half the items in drug stores and the Targets are locked up. You have to have someone help you get a bottle of shampoo. Its crazy that we have come to this. And its all on the Democrats and their soft on crime policies.

(08-12-2024 11:05 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  Scarcity led to the spike in prices, but the scarcity was caused by the collapse in demand & lack of production as a result. Trump, when prices initially collapsed, asked for Russia & OPEC to cut production so prices would rise & make American production fiscally doable again. He wasn’t responsible for $5 gas prices… it was the collapse in oil prices that ultimately led to the future spike.

Yeah, caused by the whole world stupidly shutting everything down. I was promised a plague.

(08-12-2024 11:19 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(08-12-2024 11:13 AM)WalkThePlank Wrote:  

(08-12-2024 11:01 AM)bullet Wrote:  Normies???

People who live in cities are very upset about crime.

It even makes shopping a pain. Everything is locked up.

Objectively speaking, it's not a major issue. Crime is localized in certain areas of the country as well. Maybe if you're a down ballot candidate for a party, it's an issue, but not nationally.

Concerns about crime are up, probably because everyone remembers the 2020 riots.

Again, Harris used to be a prosecutor. You can't on one hand claim she will let crime run rampant when she has a history of being strict on those with misdemeanors. The message doesn't resonate.

She was bailing out the rioters. It absolutely resonates. The Democratic party is the party of letting felons run loose on the streets (unless they are political opponents). Democratic run cities are going down the tubes. There are nice areas of Atlanta where my wife is afraid to go at night and is leery during the day.

Its a big issue in the big metro areas.

I know she did. What I'm suggesting is if you're running a campaign, you better understand who you are trying to drive out to vote. There are many people who were/are pro-BLM but are open to Trump for economic reasons. Running attack ads on BLM could alienate those voters.

Trump is trying to actually win over more black voters, and I give him credit for trying as no other GOP candidate has tried to do in the past. That's why when he went to the black journalist event, he gets credit from me. He knew the crowd was mostly against him, but did it anyway to try and get his message across and connect with them.

(08-12-2024 11:25 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(08-12-2024 10:53 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(08-12-2024 10:32 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(08-12-2024 09:39 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(08-12-2024 09:26 AM)bearcat65 Wrote:  Energy, food, inflation, and illegal border crossings all significantly higher that when Trump was in office.

which are post-Covid realities for western every nation on the planet… the US, however, is in a much better position than most.

Gas in Memphis in August 2019 was about $2.70 per gallon… in August of 2024 its $3.05.

https://www.gasbuddy.com/charts

From your link:

5 year average nation wide 2019-2024:



Look closely. Average in August 2019 was about $2.60. Average now is about $3.40. That's a 30% INCREASE.

BUT WAIT. Look what happened a little later than August of 2019.

Average prices fell to $1.74 by April of 2020. So $3.40 is about a 100% increase.

BUT WAIT. It actually gets worse. In June of 2022, there AVERAGE price of a gallon of gas in the US was $5.01.

Let's see, from Trump's low to Biden's high is almost THREE TIMES as much.

Even if you track Biden's average across the years vs. Trump's, it's a bloodbath.

And the only real presidential actions in those times that affected gas prices were trumps production cut deal with OPEC which caused the $5 gas and Biden's release of the SPR that brought things down a tad. And we're actually finding out now that there was like 4 or 5 pieces of legislation supported by nearly all GOP senators that mandated sales from the SPR to account for budget short falls. Oops.

Presidents don't directly control the daily price of gas at the pump. It's ALL controlled by the global market and the laws of supply and demand. The biggest cut in the supply was the direct result of the nearly 10 million barrel a day cut by OPEC for two years which trump signed.

The Biden administration killed pipeline proposals and limited drilling. They have been making coal mining difficult.

It IS the policy of the Democratic Party to throw coal miners out of work (they have bragged about that) and drive up energy prices in order to conserve and to generate less greenhouse gases. They also have dramatically driven up car prices with their mileage standards.

You can argue that is good long term policy, but denying the impact on energy prices and car prices is just a bald faced lie, one of the biggest the Democrats tell.

If you don't acknowledge that you can't be taken seriously.

Keystone XL would have carried Canadian oil, already extracted, by pipeline & not by rail or tanker. There is nothing to show it would have had any significant impact on US production.

Coal production has been dropping for the past 20 years… blame fracking.
https://www.ceicdata.com/en/indicator/un...production

(08-12-2024 11:25 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(08-12-2024 10:53 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(08-12-2024 10:32 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(08-12-2024 09:39 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(08-12-2024 09:26 AM)bearcat65 Wrote:  Energy, food, inflation, and illegal border crossings all significantly higher that when Trump was in office.

which are post-Covid realities for western every nation on the planet… the US, however, is in a much better position than most.

Gas in Memphis in August 2019 was about $2.70 per gallon… in August of 2024 its $3.05.

https://www.gasbuddy.com/charts

From your link:

5 year average nation wide 2019-2024:



Look closely. Average in August 2019 was about $2.60. Average now is about $3.40. That's a 30% INCREASE.

BUT WAIT. Look what happened a little later than August of 2019.

Average prices fell to $1.74 by April of 2020. So $3.40 is about a 100% increase.

BUT WAIT. It actually gets worse. In June of 2022, there AVERAGE price of a gallon of gas in the US was $5.01.

Let's see, from Trump's low to Biden's high is almost THREE TIMES as much.

Even if you track Biden's average across the years vs. Trump's, it's a bloodbath.

And the only real presidential actions in those times that affected gas prices were trumps production cut deal with OPEC which caused the $5 gas and Biden's release of the SPR that brought things down a tad. And we're actually finding out now that there was like 4 or 5 pieces of legislation supported by nearly all GOP senators that mandated sales from the SPR to account for budget short falls. Oops.

Presidents don't directly control the daily price of gas at the pump. It's ALL controlled by the global market and the laws of supply and demand. The biggest cut in the supply was the direct result of the nearly 10 million barrel a day cut by OPEC for two years which trump signed.

The Biden administration killed pipeline proposals and limited drilling. They have been making coal mining difficult.

It IS the policy of the Democratic Party to throw coal miners out of work (they have bragged about that) and drive up energy prices in order to conserve and to generate less greenhouse gases. They also have dramatically driven up car prices with their mileage standards.

You can argue that is good long term policy, but denying the impact on energy prices and car prices is just a bald faced lie, one of the biggest the Democrats tell.

If you don't acknowledge that you can't be taken seriously.

And NONE of that caused gas prices to rise under Biden.

I have never once claimed that Biden knows anything about O&G or that he's a champion of the industry. He clearly wants to move to green energy. That doesn't change the facts of what has happened no matter how you kick and scream and deflect.

(08-12-2024 11:25 AM)MemTigers1998 Wrote:  

(08-12-2024 11:18 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(08-12-2024 11:17 AM)MemTigers1998 Wrote:  You know this ad is knocking it out of the park when the goofy libs here are tripping over themselves trying to disprove it saying silly things like crime is down and blaming Trump for the economic disaster of the last 3.5 years.

Please cite the factual information stating that crime is up.

Trust me, it won't end well for you. A few stories about an illegal committing a crime do not mean crime is up.

A few stories lol

It’s every day that some illegal who snuck in on the border czars watch is killing, raping, robbing, whatever. When you stop arresting people for stealing under $1000 and then say crime is down, that’s just liberal stupidity. Same as changing the parameters of what classifies as a recession so that this pathetic current admin didn’t put us in one.

Debates and election can’t happen soon enough to end this stupidity.

I guess I missed it...where in your rant did you post a factual statistic showing crime is up?

Not seeing any quotes or links to anything.....

Its a pretty simple and undeniable choice.

If you want gas under $3 vote Trump. If you want $5 or $6 gas vote Kamala.

(08-12-2024 12:45 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  Its a pretty simple and undeniable choice.

If you want gas under $3 vote Trump. If you want $5 or $6 gas vote Kamala.

I just filled up for $2.72 per gallon at a Loves in Batesville, MS earlier today.

(08-12-2024 12:49 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(08-12-2024 12:45 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  Its a pretty simple and undeniable choice.

If you want gas under $3 vote Trump. If you want $5 or $6 gas vote Kamala.

I just filled up for $2.72 per gallon at a Loves in Batesville, MS earlier today.

Of course, its an election year so the price is down.

I spent most of the last 4 years playing close to $4 a gallon and $5 for quite a stretch there.

But the fact remains Harris will mean close to double the price of gas for the next 4 years. She will bow at the altar of every conceivable green policy and squeeze the middle class and poor to the point of breaking. And its by design.

(08-12-2024 12:51 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(08-12-2024 12:49 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(08-12-2024 12:45 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  Its a pretty simple and undeniable choice.

If you want gas under $3 vote Trump. If you want $5 or $6 gas vote Kamala.

I just filled up for $2.72 per gallon at a Loves in Batesville, MS earlier today.

Of course, its an election year so the price is down.

I spent most of the last 4 years playing close to $4 a gallon and $5 for quite a stretch there.

But the fact remains Harris will mean close to double the price of gas for the next 4 years. She will bow at the altar of every conceivable green policy and squeeze the middle class and poor to the point of breaking. And its by design.

This is so ignorant of reality.

Do you have ANY clue that the price of gas almost ALWAYS drops in an election year.

Why?

BECAUSE ELECTIONS HAPPEN IN ******* NOVEMBER!!!

Summer gas is more costly. People drive less in the winter.

This is not rocket science. FFS!

So clueless.

(08-12-2024 01:00 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(08-12-2024 12:51 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(08-12-2024 12:49 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(08-12-2024 12:45 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  Its a pretty simple and undeniable choice.

If you want gas under $3 vote Trump. If you want $5 or $6 gas vote Kamala.

I just filled up for $2.72 per gallon at a Loves in Batesville, MS earlier today.

Of course, its an election year so the price is down.

I spent most of the last 4 years playing close to $4 a gallon and $5 for quite a stretch there.

But the fact remains Harris will mean close to double the price of gas for the next 4 years. She will bow at the altar of every conceivable green policy and squeeze the middle class and poor to the point of breaking. And its by design.

This is so ignorant of reality.

Do you have ANY clue that the price of gas almost ALWAYS drops in an election year.

Why?

BECAUSE ELECTIONS HAPPEN IN ******* NOVEMBER!!!

Summer gas is more costly. People drive less in the winter.

This is not rocket science. FFS!

So clueless.

Sorry but no one here buys your lies.

We all pay for gas, we all know its been far cheaper this summer that most of Bidens term. And we all know why.

Just like we all know a Harris presidency would mean far more expensive gas for the next 4 years. There is nothing you can post or say that will change that undeniable fact.

(08-12-2024 12:51 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(08-12-2024 12:49 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(08-12-2024 12:45 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  Its a pretty simple and undeniable choice.

If you want gas under $3 vote Trump. If you want $5 or $6 gas vote Kamala.

I just filled up for $2.72 per gallon at a Loves in Batesville, MS earlier today.

Of course, its an election year so the price is down.

I spent most of the last 4 years playing close to $4 a gallon and $5 for quite a stretch there.

But the fact remains Harris will mean close to double the price of gas for the next 4 years. She will bow at the altar of every conceivable green policy and squeeze the middle class and poor to the point of breaking. And its by design.

That’s your projection but it is absolutely not fact…

(08-12-2024 01:07 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(08-12-2024 01:00 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(08-12-2024 12:51 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(08-12-2024 12:49 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(08-12-2024 12:45 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  Its a pretty simple and undeniable choice.

If you want gas under $3 vote Trump. If you want $5 or $6 gas vote Kamala.

I just filled up for $2.72 per gallon at a Loves in Batesville, MS earlier today.

Of course, its an election year so the price is down.

I spent most of the last 4 years playing close to $4 a gallon and $5 for quite a stretch there.

But the fact remains Harris will mean close to double the price of gas for the next 4 years. She will bow at the altar of every conceivable green policy and squeeze the middle class and poor to the point of breaking. And its by design.

This is so ignorant of reality.

Do you have ANY clue that the price of gas almost ALWAYS drops in an election year.

Why?

BECAUSE ELECTIONS HAPPEN IN ******* NOVEMBER!!!

Summer gas is more costly. People drive less in the winter.

This is not rocket science. FFS!

So clueless.

Sorry but no one here buys your lies.

We all pay for gas, we all know its been far cheaper this summer that most of Bidens term. And we all know why.

Just like we all know a Harris presidency would mean far more expensive gas for the next 4 years. There is nothing you can post or say that will change that undeniable fact.

No, apparently you don't.

It's cheaper this year because the US is producing more than ever, more than any country in history.

You should really stop before you embarrass yourself any more.

Good luck selling that story fellas, because most Americans know a Harris presidency means far more expensive gas and energy prices over the next 4 years. In fact many on the left see that as not only true they see it as a good thing because its a means to an end to end fossil fuels faster.

I don't expect either one of you to agree here, I expect just the opposite of that. I expect you to argue and then pretend your arguments are convincing and factual.

They are not.

And there is nothing you can post or argue that will change that for the majority of Americans.

(08-12-2024 01:56 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  Good luck selling that story fellas, because most Americans know a Harris presidency means far more expensive gas and energy prices over the next 4 years. In fact many on the left see that as not only true they see it as a good thing because its a means to an end to end fossil fuels faster.

I don't expect either one of you to agree here, I expect just the opposite of that. I expect you to argue and then pretend your arguments are convincing and factual.

They are not.

Gas is $2.72 in Batesville MS on August 12th, 2024… that is fact.