Everything is more expensive.
So no we are not better. I would like to go back to living a more affordable life.

(08-12-2024 10:09 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(08-12-2024 10:03 AM)b2b Wrote:  

(08-12-2024 10:00 AM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  I make more money than 4 years ago, my 401k is up, RSUs are up, I get to spend more time with my kids post-Covid, and we don’t have Trump in the whitehouse talking about injecting bleach and endorsing brands right from the Oval Office because they donated. Plus it was before the stolen election “big lie” and all the BS that followed that up until now.

Yep, better off.

I wish people would stop this bs about "injecting bleach". This is what he was talking about but y'all love taking it out of context.

https://americanregen.com/intravenous-la...c-therapy/

I wish trump would stop lying about everything too...but that's where we are.

Even if that was true ..... you've been seemingly fine with the constant lying done by the resident of the oval office the last 3+ years. But that's where we are today.

By the way, kamala has shown herself to be his equal in the lying category. Just a few weeks ago she along with many others in the cabal were on TV expressing how mentally sharp and physically fit old Joe was (before he suddenly wasn't and simply had to go immediately).

(08-12-2024 10:27 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(08-12-2024 10:17 AM)b2b Wrote:  Like it or not Trump did have a hand in inflation. He didn't play Covid correctly IMHO. Letting Fauci have so much control and firing up the money printer was a HUGE mistake. Biden just made it a lot worse.

Thanks.

I believe trump signed around $3 trillion of Covid stimulus, Biden signed near $2T.

Like I've said in the past, he shouldn't get a pass on it. That said, most politicians would've done the same thing. I expected better from him though since he's not a traditional politician.

(08-12-2024 09:39 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(08-12-2024 09:26 AM)bearcat65 Wrote:  Energy, food, inflation, and illegal border crossings all significantly higher that when Trump was in office.

which are post-Covid realities for western every nation on the planet… the US, however, is in a much better position than most.

Gas in Memphis in August 2019 was about $2.70 per gallon… in August of 2024 its $3.05.

https://www.gasbuddy.com/charts

From your link:

5 year average nation wide 2019-2024:



Look closely. Average in August 2019 was about $2.60. Average now is about $3.40. That's a 30% INCREASE.

BUT WAIT. Look what happened a little later than August of 2019.

Average prices fell to $1.74 by April of 2020. So $3.40 is about a 100% increase.

BUT WAIT. It actually gets worse. In June of 2022, there AVERAGE price of a gallon of gas in the US was $5.01.

Let's see, from Trump's low to Biden's high is almost THREE TIMES as much.

Even if you track Biden's average across the years vs. Trump's, it's a bloodbath.

(08-12-2024 10:29 AM)WalkThePlank Wrote:  

(08-12-2024 10:24 AM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(08-12-2024 10:20 AM)WalkThePlank Wrote:  

(08-12-2024 09:39 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(08-12-2024 09:26 AM)bearcat65 Wrote:  Energy, food, inflation, and illegal border crossings all significantly higher that when Trump was in office.

which are post-Covid realities for western every nation on the planet… the US, however, is in a much better position than most.

Gas in Memphis in August 2019 was about $2.70 per gallon… in August of 2024 its $3.05.

https://www.gasbuddy.com/charts

Americans don’t view issues that way. Everything is judged relative to how it’s been here, not the world.

By that logic, Bush 41 should have gotten another term because it was a global issue. The facts were that people were used to a certain lifestyle and job market, and it tanked under him. So he got destroyed.


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It was really the last 18 months or so that hurt 41. He was flying high during the gulf war but the recession really hurt him right afterwards.

Ironically the numbers showed the economy was turning around the final quarter of '92 but it was too late in the election for it to help him. He would have rode a nice economic boom in his second term if he had won and gone out on a high note.

I know - I'm using that as the example of voters not caring if the US is #1 in economic factors. The truth is even during 2008, we were still "the best" in the world. If Bush 43 was able to run again, he would have not even won a GOP primary, because it was a disaster here, relatively speaking.

I wasn't trying to disagree with you, sorry of its sounded like that. I was just tossing in some extra context of what was happening in '92.

The economy would have been good if Clinton or Bush had won, but it was already too late for 41 when people went to the polls that fall. He was doomed economically and Slick Wille was incredibly talented.

(08-12-2024 10:32 AM)b2b Wrote:  

(08-12-2024 10:27 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(08-12-2024 10:17 AM)b2b Wrote:  Like it or not Trump did have a hand in inflation. He didn't play Covid correctly IMHO. Letting Fauci have so much control and firing up the money printer was a HUGE mistake. Biden just made it a lot worse.

Thanks.

I believe trump signed around $3 trillion of Covid stimulus, Biden signed near $2T.

Like I've said in the past, he shouldn't get a pass on it. That said, most politicians would've done the same thing. I expected better from him though since he's not a traditional politician.

Everyone on both sides and nearly all economists were saying he had to do it. Everyone was just a deer in headlights in 2020, no one was sure what to do and everyone was scared.

(08-12-2024 10:32 AM)b2b Wrote:  

(08-12-2024 10:27 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(08-12-2024 10:17 AM)b2b Wrote:  Like it or not Trump did have a hand in inflation. He didn't play Covid correctly IMHO. Letting Fauci have so much control and firing up the money printer was a HUGE mistake. Biden just made it a lot worse.

Thanks.

I believe trump signed around $3 trillion of Covid stimulus, Biden signed near $2T.

Like I've said in the past, he shouldn't get a pass on it. That said, most politicians would've done the same thing. I expected better from him though since he's not a traditional politician.

I'd love for him to get asked "After now having the knowledge of the inflation spike, what would you have done differently during 2020 from an economic perspective?" or something like that. Because he did sign that bill and wanted more stimulus later in 2020.

(08-12-2024 10:13 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(08-12-2024 10:09 AM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  

(08-12-2024 09:39 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(08-12-2024 09:26 AM)bearcat65 Wrote:  Energy, food, inflation, and illegal border crossings all significantly higher that when Trump was in office.

which are post-Covid realities for western every nation on the planet… the US, however, is in a much better position than most.

Gas in Memphis in August 2019 was about $2.70 per gallon… in August of 2024 its $3.05.

https://www.gasbuddy.com/charts

I bought gas locally for $2.17 per gallon on inauguration day 1/20/21 and kept the receipt because I had a strong feeling that it would be the lowest price I would see for it in a while. Gas went up in price the next day and hasn't been down to $2.17 per gallon or lower in my area since.

I bought gas near Kings Island in Ohio in the summer of 1998 for $.89 per gallon. I didn't keep the receipt, but I had a strong feeling I would never see that low of a price again.

1998? You could get it in the 60's for $0.25 per gallon.

Once again, your "information" is not relevant to the conversation and you're merely trying to distract from the facts.

(08-12-2024 10:35 AM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(08-12-2024 10:29 AM)WalkThePlank Wrote:  

(08-12-2024 10:24 AM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(08-12-2024 10:20 AM)WalkThePlank Wrote:  

(08-12-2024 09:39 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  which are post-Covid realities for western every nation on the planet… the US, however, is in a much better position than most.

Gas in Memphis in August 2019 was about $2.70 per gallon… in August of 2024 its $3.05.

https://www.gasbuddy.com/charts

Americans don’t view issues that way. Everything is judged relative to how it’s been here, not the world.

By that logic, Bush 41 should have gotten another term because it was a global issue. The facts were that people were used to a certain lifestyle and job market, and it tanked under him. So he got destroyed.


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It was really the last 18 months or so that hurt 41. He was flying high during the gulf war but the recession really hurt him right afterwards.

Ironically the numbers showed the economy was turning around the final quarter of '92 but it was too late in the election for it to help him. He would have rode a nice economic boom in his second term if he had won and gone out on a high note.

I know - I'm using that as the example of voters not caring if the US is #1 in economic factors. The truth is even during 2008, we were still "the best" in the world. If Bush 43 was able to run again, he would have not even won a GOP primary, because it was a disaster here, relatively speaking.

I wasn't trying to disagree with you, sorry of its sounded like that. I was just tossing in some extra context of what was happening in '92.

The economy would have been good if Clinton or Bush had won, but it was already too late for 41 when people went to the polls that fall. He was doomed economically and Slick Wille was incredibly talented.

I didn't take it that way at all. That's how message boards are sometimes. All good.

(08-12-2024 10:37 AM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(08-12-2024 10:32 AM)b2b Wrote:  

(08-12-2024 10:27 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(08-12-2024 10:17 AM)b2b Wrote:  Like it or not Trump did have a hand in inflation. He didn't play Covid correctly IMHO. Letting Fauci have so much control and firing up the money printer was a HUGE mistake. Biden just made it a lot worse.

Thanks.

I believe trump signed around $3 trillion of Covid stimulus, Biden signed near $2T.

Like I've said in the past, he shouldn't get a pass on it. That said, most politicians would've done the same thing. I expected better from him though since he's not a traditional politician.

Everyone on both sides and nearly all economists were saying he had to do it. Everyone was just a deer in headlights in 2020, no one was sure what to do and everyone was scared.

And now we're all paying the price for it. My wife and I were both saying to not shut anything down.

Anyone who paid attention could see it was power-hungry Democratic Mayors and Governors who screwed the economy during Covid.
They forced lengthy closures and went way above what Trump ever recommended.
The left pretended that CDC recommendations were unquestionable laws. Made me sick to my stomach.

(08-12-2024 10:40 AM)b2b Wrote:  And now we're all paying the price for it. My wife and I were both saying to not shut anything down.

So was I and my family as well, but we were all being attacked and tared and feathered for saying those things publicly or on social media.

In the end we were proved right and justified, but in the moment in 2020 the elites and big tech were crushing all dissent.

(08-12-2024 10:50 AM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(08-12-2024 10:40 AM)b2b Wrote:  And now we're all paying the price for it. My wife and I were both saying to not shut anything down.

So was I and my family as well, but we were all being attacked and tared and feathered for saying those things publicly or on social media.

Anybody with common sense knew there would be economic hell to pay later. Now here were are and Dems get to pretend more jobs, better economy, etc b/c they're comparing things to when the bottom fell out.

(08-12-2024 10:32 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(08-12-2024 09:39 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(08-12-2024 09:26 AM)bearcat65 Wrote:  Energy, food, inflation, and illegal border crossings all significantly higher that when Trump was in office.

which are post-Covid realities for western every nation on the planet… the US, however, is in a much better position than most.

Gas in Memphis in August 2019 was about $2.70 per gallon… in August of 2024 its $3.05.

https://www.gasbuddy.com/charts

From your link:

5 year average nation wide 2019-2024:



Look closely. Average in August 2019 was about $2.60. Average now is about $3.40. That's a 30% INCREASE.

BUT WAIT. Look what happened a little later than August of 2019.

Average prices fell to $1.74 by April of 2020. So $3.40 is about a 100% increase.

BUT WAIT. It actually gets worse. In June of 2022, there AVERAGE price of a gallon of gas in the US was $5.01.

Let's see, from Trump's low to Biden's high is almost THREE TIMES as much.

Even if you track Biden's average across the years vs. Trump's, it's a bloodbath.

And the only real presidential actions in those times that affected gas prices were trumps production cut deal with OPEC which caused the $5 gas and Biden's release of the SPR that brought things down a tad. And we're actually finding out now that there was like 4 or 5 pieces of legislation supported by nearly all GOP senators that mandated sales from the SPR to account for budget short falls. Oops.

Presidents don't directly control the daily price of gas at the pump. It's ALL controlled by the global market and the laws of supply and demand. The biggest cut in the supply was the direct result of the nearly 10 million barrel a day cut by OPEC for two years which trump signed.

(08-12-2024 10:53 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(08-12-2024 10:32 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(08-12-2024 09:39 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(08-12-2024 09:26 AM)bearcat65 Wrote:  Energy, food, inflation, and illegal border crossings all significantly higher that when Trump was in office.

which are post-Covid realities for western every nation on the planet… the US, however, is in a much better position than most.

Gas in Memphis in August 2019 was about $2.70 per gallon… in August of 2024 its $3.05.

https://www.gasbuddy.com/charts

From your link:

5 year average nation wide 2019-2024:



Look closely. Average in August 2019 was about $2.60. Average now is about $3.40. That's a 30% INCREASE.

BUT WAIT. Look what happened a little later than August of 2019.

Average prices fell to $1.74 by April of 2020. So $3.40 is about a 100% increase.

BUT WAIT. It actually gets worse. In June of 2022, there AVERAGE price of a gallon of gas in the US was $5.01.

Let's see, from Trump's low to Biden's high is almost THREE TIMES as much.

Even if you track Biden's average across the years vs. Trump's, it's a bloodbath.

And the only real presidential actions in those times that affected gas prices were trumps production cut deal with OPEC which caused the $5 gas and Biden's release of the SPR that brought things down a tad. And we're actually finding out now that there was like 4 or 5 pieces of legislation supported by nearly all GOP senators that mandated sales from the SPR to account for budget short falls. Oops.

Presidents don't directly control the daily price of gas at the pump. It's ALL controlled by the global market and the laws of supply and demand. The biggest cut in the supply was the direct result of the nearly 10 million barrel a day cut by OPEC for two years which trump signed.

TRUMP caused the $5 gas?

(08-12-2024 10:38 AM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  

(08-12-2024 10:13 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(08-12-2024 10:09 AM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  

(08-12-2024 09:39 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(08-12-2024 09:26 AM)bearcat65 Wrote:  Energy, food, inflation, and illegal border crossings all significantly higher that when Trump was in office.

which are post-Covid realities for western every nation on the planet… the US, however, is in a much better position than most.

Gas in Memphis in August 2019 was about $2.70 per gallon… in August of 2024 its $3.05.

https://www.gasbuddy.com/charts

I bought gas locally for $2.17 per gallon on inauguration day 1/20/21 and kept the receipt because I had a strong feeling that it would be the lowest price I would see for it in a while. Gas went up in price the next day and hasn't been down to $2.17 per gallon or lower in my area since.

I bought gas near Kings Island in Ohio in the summer of 1998 for $.89 per gallon. I didn't keep the receipt, but I had a strong feeling I would never see that low of a price again.

1998? You could get it in the 60's for $0.25 per gallon.

Once again, your "information" is not relevant to the conversation and you're merely trying to distract from the facts.

Dude, my point is that your personal anecdote of the gas price on a date in your corner of the world doesn't mean a ******* thing either because you clearly have no idea on how gas prices work. I've explained it to you for years now. I can't make you understand it.

(08-12-2024 10:53 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  The biggest cut in the supply was the direct result of the nearly 10 million barrel a day cut by OPEC for two years which trump signed.

Congress controls OPEC production and Trump signed the bill?
Trump is a dictatorial OPEC signee?
I'm very confused.

OPEC gonna OPEC

(08-12-2024 08:53 AM)WalkThePlank Wrote:  Crime is not a big issue this election. No need to continuously run on it.

The normies don’t see it as a major problem.


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Normies???

People who live in cities are very upset about crime.

It even makes shopping a pain. Everything is locked up.

(08-12-2024 10:54 AM)TripleA Wrote:  TRUMP caused the $5 gas?

Yes, and I've continually showed you the receipts.

Go look at the price of oil and gas the two years after trump signed the deal with OPEC to remove 10 million barrels a day of gas from the global market for 2 years for a pandemic he said would be over by Easter or warmer weather. It was the worse deal in American history.

He owns it.

(08-12-2024 09:04 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(08-12-2024 08:53 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  I am.

Economy is not shattered.

You obviously never go to the grocery store or buy gas.

Crime is down.

Crime is down only because so many jurisdictions stopped reporting it.

Illegal immigration is down...there was a bill to address the border that trump had killed so he could take credit if we got elected.

Immigration is down only from the insane levels you idiots allowed in to start with, and only b/c you knew it would be a big election issue.

And that bill you're touting would have still allowed in thousands of illegal immigrants a day. No Republican is voting for that.

America is already the greatest country. Sad that the GOP has become the party that no longer champions America.

America has gone to hell in a hand basket the past 3 1/2 years, and if you clowns run it for 4 more years, it will be destroyed.

FIFY

IF crime is down, its only because they are comparing it to 2021, not to 2019.