(08-12-2024 10:04 AM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(08-12-2024 08:53 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  I am.

Economy is not shattered.

Crime is down.

Illegal immigration is down...there was a bill to address the border that trump had killed so he could take credit if he got elected.

America is already the greatest country. Sad that the GOP has become the party that no longer champions America.

That is pure Machiavellian spin

Once again, you don't know me. You have no idea how much money I make, my life situation. NONE of it.

And what I posted is fact.

(08-12-2024 09:39 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(08-12-2024 09:26 AM)bearcat65 Wrote:  Energy, food, inflation, and illegal border crossings all significantly higher that when Trump was in office.

which are post-Covid realities for western every nation on the planet… the US, however, is in a much better position than most.

Gas in Memphis in August 2019 was about $2.70 per gallon… in August of 2024 its $3.05.

https://www.gasbuddy.com/charts

I bought gas locally for $2.17 per gallon on inauguration day 1/20/21 and kept the receipt because I had a strong feeling that it would be the lowest price I would see for it in a while. Gas went up in price the next day and hasn't been down to $2.17 per gallon or lower in my area since.

(08-12-2024 09:51 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(08-12-2024 09:28 AM)WalkThePlank Wrote:  

(08-12-2024 09:26 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(08-12-2024 09:23 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(08-12-2024 08:58 AM)VA49er Wrote:  It really is a simple question. The answer is obvious. All one needs to do is go to their local grocery store.

Yeah, if you're myopic and incapable of understanding how any inflation is what it is.

Inflation in the G7. I see a pattern...with one odd outlier...

& Trump has not detailed what he would have done any differently… most people understand the uniqueness of the past 4 years.

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People can be unhappy with direction yet still understand the uniqueness of the past 4-5 years. No one is happy with inflated grocery prices, but those inflated prices are not the result of political policy… they’re the result of supply & demand & there is little, if anything, Trump could or would have done to change it.

Just like millions of voters understood the uniqueness of COVID and didn’t blame Trump for it at the time. Yes, people can have whatever opinion they want.

That doesn’t mean when they are presented two options, that they won’t choose a better option. Trump beats Harris on the economy


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(08-12-2024 10:03 AM)b2b Wrote:  

(08-12-2024 10:00 AM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  I make more money than 4 years ago, my 401k is up, RSUs are up, I get to spend more time with my kids post-Covid, and we don’t have Trump in the whitehouse talking about injecting bleach and endorsing brands right from the Oval Office because they donated. Plus it was before the stolen election “big lie” and all the BS that followed that up until now.

Yep, better off.

I wish people would stop this bs about "injecting bleach". This is what he was talking about but y'all love taking it out of context.

https://americanregen.com/intravenous-la...c-therapy/

I wish trump would stop lying about everything too...but that's where we are.

(08-12-2024 09:07 AM)Kruciff Wrote:  401k is highest it's ever been.

But do those dollars go as far dollars did in say 2018.

Economy and border- Trump demolishes her on both issues

(08-12-2024 10:03 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(08-12-2024 09:58 AM)VA49er Wrote:  Only a partisan would think we are better off today than 4 years ago. Ask anyone trying to purchase a home, or anyone buying groceries for their family. There's no question as to the answer.

The ad in the OP asks "you," not "we."

And you are only looking at a couple things.

This most likely speaks to the reach of Fox news, sadly.

Instead of blaming the respondents for “not knowing what a recession is,” wouldn’t it be more relevant to find out why they are saying that? Surely it’s due to inflation and wages not rising fast enough to meet the erosion of their purchasing power.


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(08-12-2024 10:09 AM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  

(08-12-2024 09:39 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(08-12-2024 09:26 AM)bearcat65 Wrote:  Energy, food, inflation, and illegal border crossings all significantly higher that when Trump was in office.

which are post-Covid realities for western every nation on the planet… the US, however, is in a much better position than most.

Gas in Memphis in August 2019 was about $2.70 per gallon… in August of 2024 its $3.05.

https://www.gasbuddy.com/charts

I bought gas locally for $2.17 per gallon on inauguration day 1/20/21 and kept the receipt because I had a strong feeling that it would be the lowest price I would see for it in a while. Gas went up in price the next day and hasn't been down to $2.17 per gallon or lower in my area since.

I bought gas near Kings Island in Ohio in the summer of 1998 for $.89 per gallon. I didn't keep the receipt, but I had a strong feeling I would never see that low of a price again.

(08-12-2024 09:39 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(08-12-2024 09:26 AM)bearcat65 Wrote:  Energy, food, inflation, and illegal border crossings all significantly higher that when Trump was in office.

which are post-Covid realities for western every nation on the planet… the US, however, is in a much better position than most.

Gas in Memphis in August 2019 was about $2.70 per gallon… in August of 2024 its $3.05.

https://www.gasbuddy.com/charts

Gas has been astronomically higher on average under Biden than it was under Trump. Demoncrats always maneuver to coax the price down in the general election year, then allow it to surge to ludicrous levels if they win.......until the polls are showing its hurting them politically.

It was routinely at $4 to $5 a gallon here under Bidens term. Of course its an election year and the polls showed this issue was going to hurt them so its now been cheaper most of this year.

If Harris was to somehow miracle her way into the WH we will see $5 to $6 gas most of her term.

(08-12-2024 10:08 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(08-12-2024 10:04 AM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(08-12-2024 08:53 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  I am.

Economy is not shattered.

Crime is down.

Illegal immigration is down...there was a bill to address the border that trump had killed so he could take credit if he got elected.

America is already the greatest country. Sad that the GOP has become the party that no longer champions America.

That is pure Machiavellian spin

Once again, you don't know me. You have no idea how much money I make, my life situation. NONE of it.

And what I posted is fact.

I didn't say a single word about your personal income. But you knew that already.

Like it or not Trump did have a hand in inflation. He didn't play Covid correctly IMHO. Letting Fauci have so much control and firing up the money printer was a HUGE mistake. Biden just made it a lot worse.

People vote their pocketbook.

"It's the economy, stupid." -- some Louisiana loudmouth

(08-12-2024 10:03 AM)b2b Wrote:  

(08-12-2024 10:00 AM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  I make more money than 4 years ago, my 401k is up, RSUs are up, I get to spend more time with my kids post-Covid, and we don’t have Trump in the whitehouse talking about injecting bleach and endorsing brands right from the Oval Office because they donated. Plus it was before the stolen election “big lie” and all the BS that followed that up until now.

Yep, better off.

I wish people would stop this bs about "injecting bleach". This is what he was talking about but y'all love taking it out of context.

https://americanregen.com/intravenous-la...c-therapy/

They can't help themselves. Hyperbole and misrepresentation of things is part of their DNA. "Rejecting the tough border bill" is another classic example of that.

(08-12-2024 09:39 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(08-12-2024 09:26 AM)bearcat65 Wrote:  Energy, food, inflation, and illegal border crossings all significantly higher that when Trump was in office.

which are post-Covid realities for western every nation on the planet… the US, however, is in a much better position than most.

Gas in Memphis in August 2019 was about $2.70 per gallon… in August of 2024 its $3.05.

https://www.gasbuddy.com/charts

Americans don’t view issues that way. Everything is judged relative to how it’s been here, not the world.

By that logic, Bush 41 should have gotten another term because it was a global issue. The facts were that people were used to a certain lifestyle and job market, and it tanked under him. So he got destroyed.


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(08-12-2024 10:17 AM)b2b Wrote:  Like it or not Trump did have a hand in inflation. He didn't play Covid correctly IMHO. Letting Fauci have so much control and firing up the money printer was a HUGE mistake. Biden just made it a lot worse.

That is absolulty true but I suspect if Hillary has been in office she would have doubled everything bad move Trump made in 2020.

And of course he had little time to course correct because the pandemic began some months into his final year. No one was really sure about what to do in 2020. Looking back now its clear to see the mistakes.

(08-12-2024 10:17 AM)b2b Wrote:  Like it or not Trump did have a hand in inflation. He didn't play Covid correctly IMHO. Letting Fauci have so much control and firing up the money printer was a HUGE mistake. Biden just made it a lot worse.

This is correct. He would have printed whatever it took at the time. Probably more.

Democrats also wanted way more in their proposals - they all did it.


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(08-12-2024 10:20 AM)WalkThePlank Wrote:  

(08-12-2024 09:39 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(08-12-2024 09:26 AM)bearcat65 Wrote:  Energy, food, inflation, and illegal border crossings all significantly higher that when Trump was in office.

which are post-Covid realities for western every nation on the planet… the US, however, is in a much better position than most.

Gas in Memphis in August 2019 was about $2.70 per gallon… in August of 2024 its $3.05.

https://www.gasbuddy.com/charts

Americans don’t view issues that way. Everything is judged relative to how it’s been here, not the world.

By that logic, Bush 41 should have gotten another term because it was a global issue. The facts were that people were used to a certain lifestyle and job market, and it tanked under him. So he got destroyed.


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It was really the last 18 months or so that hurt 41. He was flying high during the gulf war but the recession really hurt him right afterwards.

Ironically the numbers showed the economy was turning around the final quarter of '92 but it was too late in the election for it to help him. He would have rode a nice economic boom in his second term if he had won and gone out on a high note.

(08-12-2024 10:16 AM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(08-12-2024 10:08 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(08-12-2024 10:04 AM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(08-12-2024 08:53 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  I am.

Economy is not shattered.

Crime is down.

Illegal immigration is down...there was a bill to address the border that trump had killed so he could take credit if he got elected.

America is already the greatest country. Sad that the GOP has become the party that no longer champions America.

That is pure Machiavellian spin

Once again, you don't know me. You have no idea how much money I make, my life situation. NONE of it.

And what I posted is fact.

I didn't say a single word about your personal income. But you knew that already.

No, you just bore false witness yet again. Be best!

(08-12-2024 10:17 AM)b2b Wrote:  Like it or not Trump did have a hand in inflation. He didn't play Covid correctly IMHO. Letting Fauci have so much control and firing up the money printer was a HUGE mistake. Biden just made it a lot worse.

Thanks.

I believe trump signed around $3 trillion of Covid stimulus, Biden signed near $2T.

(08-12-2024 10:24 AM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(08-12-2024 10:20 AM)WalkThePlank Wrote:  

(08-12-2024 09:39 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(08-12-2024 09:26 AM)bearcat65 Wrote:  Energy, food, inflation, and illegal border crossings all significantly higher that when Trump was in office.

which are post-Covid realities for western every nation on the planet… the US, however, is in a much better position than most.

Gas in Memphis in August 2019 was about $2.70 per gallon… in August of 2024 its $3.05.

https://www.gasbuddy.com/charts

Americans don’t view issues that way. Everything is judged relative to how it’s been here, not the world.

By that logic, Bush 41 should have gotten another term because it was a global issue. The facts were that people were used to a certain lifestyle and job market, and it tanked under him. So he got destroyed.


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It was really the last 18 months or so that hurt 41. He was flying high during the gulf war but the recession really hurt him right afterwards.

Ironically the numbers showed the economy was turning around the final quarter of '92 but it was too late in the election for it to help him. He would have rode a nice economic boom in his second term if he had won and gone out on a high note.

I know - I'm using that as the example of voters not caring if the US is #1 in economic factors. The truth is even during 2008, we were still "the best" in the world. If Bush 43 was able to run again, he would have not even won a GOP primary, because it was a disaster here, relatively speaking.