(08-12-2024 09:16 AM)b2b Wrote:  Honestly, I am better off now than 4 years ago. Part of that is due to Covid not being a "thing". Part of that is due to a house I bought in 2014 that most people can't afford to buy today. Part of it is due to my ESOP shares. Most Americans aren't in my situation though, especially young people, lower middle class and those on fixed incomes.

Older millennials and Gen X are doing well, like many on this board.

Zoomers and younger millennials are struggling because of housing and an extremely tight job market. The Obama policies are reverberating still. A massive expense is student loans, which government guarantees and colleges are able to bid up the prices. Government lockdowns in 2020 killed thousands of small businesses which is still being felt today. Offshoring has killed entry level jobs + obvious industries that people used to work here. And yet, the majority of those generations only care about abortion.


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(08-12-2024 09:04 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(08-12-2024 08:53 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  I am.

Economy is not shattered.

You obviously never go to the grocery store or buy gas.

Crime is down.

Crime is down only because so many jurisdictions stopped reporting it.

Illegal immigration is down...there was a bill to address the border that trump had killed so he could take credit if we got elected.

Immigration is down only from the insane levels you idiots allowed in to start with, and only b/c you knew it would be a big election issue.

And that bill you're touting would have still allowed in thousands of illegal immigrants a day. No Republican is voting for that.

America is already the greatest country. Sad that the GOP has become the party that no longer champions America.

America has gone to hell in a hand basket the past 3 1/2 years, and if you clowns run it for 4 more years, it will be destroyed.

FIFY

Yeah, you're right...I don't buy groceries or gas.

I stopped reading there.

(08-12-2024 09:23 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(08-12-2024 08:58 AM)VA49er Wrote:  It really is a simple question. The answer is obvious. All one needs to do is go to their local grocery store.

Yeah, if you're myopic and incapable of understanding how any inflation is what it is.

Inflation in the G7. I see a pattern...with one odd outlier...

& Trump has not detailed what he would have done any differently… most people understand the uniqueness of the past 4 years.

(08-12-2024 09:20 AM)Kruciff Wrote:  

(08-12-2024 09:16 AM)b2b Wrote:  I'm better off now than 4 years ago. Part of that is due to Covid not being a "thing". Part of that is due to a house I bought in 2014 that most people can't afford to buy today. Most people aren't in my situation, especially young people, lower middle class and those on fixed incomes.

This is where I'm at, and that is perfectly ok to acknowledge. As long as we remember it is a privilege.

Idk about that. I typically think of a privilege a something that wasn't earned. At least that's what I've been told about being born white even though I was in the lower class.

Energy, food, inflation, and illegal border crossings all significantly higher that when Trump was in office.

(08-12-2024 09:26 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(08-12-2024 09:23 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(08-12-2024 08:58 AM)VA49er Wrote:  It really is a simple question. The answer is obvious. All one needs to do is go to their local grocery store.

Yeah, if you're myopic and incapable of understanding how any inflation is what it is.

Inflation in the G7. I see a pattern...with one odd outlier...

& Trump has not detailed what he would have done any differently… most people understand the uniqueness of the past 4 years.

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(08-12-2024 09:07 AM)WalkThePlank Wrote:  

(08-12-2024 08:53 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  I am.

Economy is not shattered.

Crime is down.

Illegal immigration is down...there was a bill to address the border that trump had killed so he could take credit if we got elected.

America is already the greatest country. Sad that the GOP has become the party that no longer champions America.

The economy is in a downward trajectory. Full times are being overtaken by gigs and part time work. Some of that is because retired boomers are still working because they can’t rely on a fixed income with high prices.

Illegal immigration has been a disaster and was neglected for the first three years under Biden.

America was also great under Trump, but you never said that once.

The modern day GOP has many different factions. The platform has drastically changed since Trump. Less government control, less quagmires, and listening to the actual voters is a step in the right direction than corporate elites running both parties.

The economy may be on a downward trend, but it is FAR from shattered.

Immigration has been a disaster for DECADES. Both parties are to blame. trump fixed not much of anything while in office either and Biden hasn't been any better. But a bipartisan bill was killed by trump. Who knows if that bill would have fixed things. But it is a fact that illegal crossings are down.

America was fine under trump just as it was under Obama who left trump a good economy and LOWER gas prices. There was NO need to claim it wasn't as America hating trump did.

The GOP is a disaster after trump. Just look at their success in elections starting in 2018.

(08-12-2024 09:26 AM)b2b Wrote:  

(08-12-2024 09:20 AM)Kruciff Wrote:  

(08-12-2024 09:16 AM)b2b Wrote:  I'm better off now than 4 years ago. Part of that is due to Covid not being a "thing". Part of that is due to a house I bought in 2014 that most people can't afford to buy today. Most people aren't in my situation, especially young people, lower middle class and those on fixed incomes.

This is where I'm at, and that is perfectly ok to acknowledge. As long as we remember it is a privilege.

Idk about that. I typically think of a privilege a something that wasn't earned. At least that's what I've been told about being born white even though I was in the lower class.

It varies I guess. I'm not really trying to split hairs on the definition of privilege, but all I'm trying to say is you don't have to feel guilty of your success, just don't take steps to pull the ladder up behind you, and be mindful of the people that have not or will not achieve that success.

I pay my property taxes in full and on time and I advocate for local leaders that see those property taxes go to public resources like education, infrastructure, clean water, and reliable energy among other things, just like I imagine you do.

You can't help the way you were born, and no one else is accountable for the opportunities you've navigated to get to where you are. Just don't be a dick about it, is all.

(08-12-2024 09:28 AM)WalkThePlank Wrote:  

(08-12-2024 09:26 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(08-12-2024 09:23 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(08-12-2024 08:58 AM)VA49er Wrote:  It really is a simple question. The answer is obvious. All one needs to do is go to their local grocery store.

Yeah, if you're myopic and incapable of understanding how any inflation is what it is.

Inflation in the G7. I see a pattern...with one odd outlier...

& Trump has not detailed what he would have done any differently… most people understand the uniqueness of the past 4 years.

One is actual data and one is a feeling or observation from a poll from somewhere?

(08-12-2024 09:26 AM)bearcat65 Wrote:  Energy, food, inflation, and illegal border crossings all significantly higher that when Trump was in office.

which are post-Covid realities for western every nation on the planet… the US, however, is in a much better position than most.

Gas in Memphis in August 2019 was about $2.70 per gallon… in August of 2024 its $3.05.

https://www.gasbuddy.com/charts

(08-12-2024 09:30 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(08-12-2024 09:07 AM)WalkThePlank Wrote:  

(08-12-2024 08:53 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  I am.

Economy is not shattered.

Crime is down.

Illegal immigration is down...there was a bill to address the border that trump had killed so he could take credit if we got elected.

America is already the greatest country. Sad that the GOP has become the party that no longer champions America.

The economy is in a downward trajectory. Full times are being overtaken by gigs and part time work. Some of that is because retired boomers are still working because they can’t rely on a fixed income with high prices.

Illegal immigration has been a disaster and was neglected for the first three years under Biden.

America was also great under Trump, but you never said that once.

The modern day GOP has many different factions. The platform has drastically changed since Trump. Less government control, less quagmires, and listening to the actual voters is a step in the right direction than corporate elites running both parties.

The economy may be on a downward trend, but it is FAR from shattered.

Immigration has been a disaster for DECADES. Both parties are to blame. trump fixed not much of anything while in office either and Biden hasn't been any better. But a bipartisan bill was killed by trump. Who knows if that bill would have fixed things. But it is a fact that illegal crossings are down.

America was fine under trump just as it was under Obama who left trump a good economy and LOWER gas prices. There was NO need to claim it wasn't as America hating trump did.

The GOP is a disaster after trump. Just look at their success in elections starting in 2018.

It’s in the process of becoming shattered. Again, I would encourage you to dig into the data a bit more. Look at which industries are falling and types of jobs that are being gained.

Agreed that immigration has been a disaster for decades. The GOP has been just as complicit on here. The only caveat is that old GOP no longer exists. At least not in terms of voters enabling it. Trump completely took leadership of that issue when the GOP elites didn’t want to touch it. Trump is gambling on himself winning this election so he can sign a tougher border bill + use it as a wedge issue. So I get it.

America, despite all of its flaws, has been great since for a long time. That doesn’t mean the path we’re on can’t change that though. The government uniparty is to blame moreso than one man like Obama, Trump, Biden etc. Those guys getting elected are symptoms of the underlying problems we have here which is the dying middle class and declining birth rates.

Back to the GOP. To fully understand the Trump phenomenon, you have to grasp who the GOP was prior to him. It was a party dedicated to losing and betraying its voting base. Trump isn’t a disaster, he’s the only thing keeping it relevant over the last decade. The midterm losses are on the RNC and leaders like McConnell + Ryan for not fully embracing the Trump agenda early on.


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(08-12-2024 09:35 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(08-12-2024 09:28 AM)WalkThePlank Wrote:  

(08-12-2024 09:26 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(08-12-2024 09:23 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(08-12-2024 08:58 AM)VA49er Wrote:  It really is a simple question. The answer is obvious. All one needs to do is go to their local grocery store.

Yeah, if you're myopic and incapable of understanding how any inflation is what it is.

Inflation in the G7. I see a pattern...with one odd outlier...

& Trump has not detailed what he would have done any differently… most people understand the uniqueness of the past 4 years.

One is actual data and one is a feeling or observation from a poll from somewhere?

He literally said “most people understand the uniqueness of the last 4 years” which is easily debunked. I actually provided a source that says otherwise.


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(08-12-2024 09:28 AM)WalkThePlank Wrote:  

(08-12-2024 09:26 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(08-12-2024 09:23 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(08-12-2024 08:58 AM)VA49er Wrote:  It really is a simple question. The answer is obvious. All one needs to do is go to their local grocery store.

Yeah, if you're myopic and incapable of understanding how any inflation is what it is.

Inflation in the G7. I see a pattern...with one odd outlier...

& Trump has not detailed what he would have done any differently… most people understand the uniqueness of the past 4 years.

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People can be unhappy with direction yet still understand the uniqueness of the past 4-5 years. No one is happy with inflated grocery prices, but those inflated prices are not the result of political policy… they’re the result of supply & demand & there is little, if anything, Trump could or would have done to change it.

Only a partisan would think we are better off today than 4 years ago. Ask anyone trying to purchase a home, or anyone buying groceries for their family. There's no question as to the answer.

(08-12-2024 09:26 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(08-12-2024 09:23 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(08-12-2024 08:58 AM)VA49er Wrote:  It really is a simple question. The answer is obvious. All one needs to do is go to their local grocery store.

Yeah, if you're myopic and incapable of understanding how any inflation is what it is.

Inflation in the G7. I see a pattern...with one odd outlier...

& Trump has not detailed what he would have done any differently… most people understand the uniqueness of the past 4 years.

Dude, you don't really want to have this conversation with me, especially when it comes to how inflation works. You will be embarrassed. Trust me.

I make more money than 4 years ago, my 401k is up, RSUs are up, I get to spend more time with my kids post-Covid, and we don’t have Trump in the whitehouse talking about injecting bleach and endorsing brands right from the Oval Office because they donated. Plus it was before the stolen election “big lie” and all the BS that followed that up until now.

Yep, better off.

(08-12-2024 09:58 AM)VA49er Wrote:  Only a partisan would think we are better off today than 4 years ago. Ask anyone trying to purchase a home, or anyone buying groceries for their family. There's no question as to the answer.

The ad in the OP asks "you," not "we."

And you are only looking at a couple things.

This most likely speaks to the reach of Fox news, sadly.

(08-12-2024 10:00 AM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  I make more money than 4 years ago, my 401k is up, RSUs are up, I get to spend more time with my kids post-Covid, and we don’t have Trump in the whitehouse talking about injecting bleach and endorsing brands right from the Oval Office because they donated. Plus it was before the stolen election “big lie” and all the BS that followed that up until now.

Yep, better off.

I wish people would stop this bs about "injecting bleach". This is what he was talking about but y'all love taking it out of context.

https://americanregen.com/intravenous-la...c-therapy/

(08-12-2024 08:53 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  I am.

Economy is not shattered.

Crime is down.

Illegal immigration is down...there was a bill to address the border that trump had killed so he could take credit if he got elected.

America is already the greatest country. Sad that the GOP has become the party that no longer champions America.

That is pure Machiavellian spin

(08-12-2024 09:59 AM)VA49er Wrote:  

(08-12-2024 09:26 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(08-12-2024 09:23 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(08-12-2024 08:58 AM)VA49er Wrote:  It really is a simple question. The answer is obvious. All one needs to do is go to their local grocery store.

Yeah, if you're myopic and incapable of understanding how any inflation is what it is.

Inflation in the G7. I see a pattern...with one odd outlier...

& Trump has not detailed what he would have done any differently… most people understand the uniqueness of the past 4 years.

Dude, you don't really want to have this conversation with me, especially when it comes to how inflation works. You will be embarrassed. Trust me.

Oh, FFS, stand back, we have another spin room expert.

Go ahead...regale us on who's fault the current inflation is.

This should be outstanding!