(08-03-2024 11:10 PM)miko33 Wrote: (08-02-2024 10:44 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote: (08-02-2024 11:04 AM)miko33 Wrote: You're not reading these texts in their original languages. We don't see the changes within the blocks of text that would show different authors. There can be hundreds of years separating the authorship of different parts of the book.
That is exactly what I have spent years now doing Miko, Studying the the Bible in 3 different languages. Both the OT and NT in their original languages and in English.
You on the other hand have never ever read most of it in your own language, much less done years worth of study in original Hebrew or Greek as well. You can't even remotely make an argument yourself you have to link other peoples arguments and speak as vaguely and little as possible because you really know little to nothing about the actual text at all.
(08-02-2024 11:04 AM)miko33 Wrote: Not to be mean, but you ARE reading this as if you are a child. Because of the tradition you chose as your lens thru which you interpret the bible, you have to rationalize away obvious inconsistencies. In the 2nd story of creation - for example - you have to say "God brought animals to man to name and find a suitable partner" while in reality it's showing God is creating those animals exactly how he created Adam by bringing them out from the dirt and then Adam is giving them names plus looking for a suitable partner.
A "child" who has studied the text in 3 different languages for many years Miko. Meanwhile you are trying to debate a book you have not even read 90% of in just one language.
Even if you go into this theoretical P or J (Yahwehist) stuff its still just that. A hypothetical THEORY about the original document that is highly questionable, rejected by many scholars and historically about 5 minutes old. What we do KNOW is ancient rabbis universally taught this as ONE creation account, not two. Jesus, the Apostles and the church fathers of the first 2 centuries had the EXACT same Genesis we have today and universally taught it as 100% literal, and NOT 2 different creation accounts. The idea of 2 accounts never even came up until about 150 years ago.
As soon as a someone starts trying to argue man was created twice from Genesis 1 to Genesis 2 you know you are in total quackville on this. No honest unbaised person can read the text in either language and say there were different 2 creations of man.
I read Genesis the same way the other 65 books of the Bible read Genesis. I read Genesis and creation the same way Jesus Christ, Peter, Paul, John, James David, Solomon read it. As a LITERAL first hand account of creation. There are 65 books of the Bible that follow Genesis and reference and bring up the creation details over and over and over again and not one single time in the entire Bible is it ever presented as a parable or non literal. Every single time its is referenced as being ONE CREATION and 100% literal.
If you were actually reading the text you would know both Genesis 1 and Genesis 2 say God brought forth every living creature out of the earth (dry land) and out of the ground every beast was formed. And its says this in both languages.
I'm going to be kind here because we both know you are out of your depth on this and forced to take a blind leap of faith over what someone else says that you point to. YOU can't explain or state your position at all, you don't even know what to argue. You just know you have blind faith in this for obvious reasons.
There are a couple of legit places where you can point to possible contradiction in the text of the Bible, THIS AIN'T ONE OF THEM. Its not even close.
You're fluent in 3 languages - 2 of them being over 2,000 year old dialects? You read copies of manuscripts of the bible completely in their original languages - front to back - and completely understood the language with zero issues? Is that what you're telling us? We're not talking just any old Greek - but Koine Greek. If you wanted to, you could have an intelligent conversation with someone in Koine Greek. Not just ordering water at a restaurant level of mastery - but mastery on a level to have deep discussions with others in philosophy, theology and other such topics?
So, Miko, tell us how you think or believe we got here. To this place and time where we are intellectually trying to solve the mystery of our origin?
While you are to attempt it realize this
Are we the only technological species that has ever arisen?'- Woodruff Sullivan, University of Washington
The result? By applying the new exoplanet data to the universe’s 2 x 10 to the 22nd power stars, Frank and Sullivan find that human civilization is likely to be unique in the cosmos only if the odds of a civilization developing on a habitable planet are less than about one in 10 billion trillion, or one part in 10 to the 22nd power.
This makes me realize we are not here by mistake nor by some fish washing up on shore to become an ape to a man. We are all for a reason I just don’t know what it is.
Christians go on faith? And there has been some archaeological finds that confirm that a lot of things and events in the Bible were factual. So, while not confirming origin not complete fiction.
Science uses carbon dating and some other methods which aren’t 100% accurate either.
We can conclude early man not necessarily cave men did roam the earth.
How long ago? Still, not conclusive.
How old was the Mammoth flash frozen and kept frozen with green vegetation in its mouth and digestive tract. You can’t have a gradual ice age with green vegetation.
Mysteries? Perhaps or just maybe things didn’t occur over the vast periods of time as we are being told.
I mean just look at what’s gone on the last fifty years.
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