RE: National Assoc. of Black Journalists To Host Conversation With Trump
(08-01-2024 03:00 PM)oruvoice Wrote:
(08-01-2024 01:52 PM)dbackjon Wrote:
(07-31-2024 07:14 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:
(07-31-2024 07:03 PM)dbackjon Wrote: HAHAHAHA
Harris is going to beat Trump worse than Biden did. Landslide. Only racists and traitors still support Trump
Democracy WAS almost lost on J6. I guess you like fascism and the end of the Constitution.
Know nothing about the issues, just spout the talking points of the day.
I know more about the issues than ANYONE voting for the OrangeTraitor
Your mental acuity is right on par with the other Dems on this board. You'll fit in nicely.
First thing you'll want to know is that your leader here is a guy named Thomas. He's originally from Ohio, but currently resides in Michigan. He holds an accounting degree from a distinguished junior college and is an expert on deductibles and the oil & gas industry. Oh, and if you want to get on his good side, send him a couple dozen donuts. He has a voracious appetite. You're welcome in advance.
RE: National Assoc. of Black Journalists To Host Conversation With Trump
(08-01-2024 07:51 AM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:
(08-01-2024 07:41 AM)TripleA Wrote:
(08-01-2024 06:49 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote: Some of you seem to think that Trump should just sit back, take the abuse and be gracious about it. First of all, that's not how blacks operate, they are largely assertive to the point of aggressiveness. You cannot deal with people like that by laying down and taking it, they see that as a weakness to be pounced on.
Most of those who think he did poorly are older and used to politeness in our political discourse. Newsflash, those days are as gone as our youth itself. It is long past time to stand tall against those who would trash us. I have long wished that GOP candidates would get dirty with their opponents, get in the trenches and get some dirt under their fingernails. The dems aren't afraid of a little dirt, neither should we be. We have consistently taken the high road and look where we are now, just a push away from going over the edge.
Trump did just fine given his audience and the outright hostility of at least two of the interviewers. Like others here I too occasionally heard laughter and applause from the audience. There were those in attendance who support him, very few, but some.
He could have shown up, peeled off a skinsuit and revealed a black man underneath and they'd still not like him.
Also, one more thing, he needs to pound the message that she isn't actually black. Unlike some here who think that's a losing strategy, I think he has absolutely nothing to lose and stands to gain the votes of intelligent objective blacks who are feeling the same pain economically that their white and brown counterparts are feeling.
Black men may well save this country, there's a certain irony that is almost poetic justice within that dynamic.
Harris Faulkner was there as one of the 3 interviewers, and she certainly is a Trump supporter. She said the lack of greeting and the ambush question right off the bat was BS, and should never have happened.
OTOH, she also said that Trump could have handled it more diplomatically without being out of character. She said he could have taken the air out of the room, and out of that line of questioning, by coming at it in a different manner. But he chose not to do so.
I agree with Faulkner. This was not a Trump rally. It was a den of vipers. He could have handled it better.
If you disagree, that's fine, but honestly, if he loses, it's going to be for things like that. Remember, there are only about 2-3% max undecided voters out there, if that many. Some were likely in that room yesterday, and many many more were watching.
That was Trump's chance to be the hero, just like at his assassination attempt, and this time he missed the mark.
Does that make me not want to vote for him? Of course not. But I bet that response lost more undecided voters than it won.
Let Trump be Trump, I guess, take him or leave him, but all I'm saying is he could win more undecided voters by proving he can calmly perform in adverse situations, answer unfair questions calmly, and he chose not to do that.
Red meat for supporters like us. Not so much for undecided voters.
This is where we disagree the most. He was not going to change a single black female vote under and circumstance, the ones he is after is the black male vote.
And following you advice here was not going to impress or swing a single male black voter. Pushing back on those harpies was the best move he could make to attract more black males.
I agree, he needs to be laser focused on that group. There are black women who won't vote for Harris but will vote for Trump, not many I'm sure, but they do exist. Many black men are begging to vote for Trump at this point. They aren't stupid. Not every black man is a ghetto thug and probably most black men are not ghetto thugs. It's important for Trump to recognize that and preach it hard and loud.
Edit: That's not to say that TripleA isn't making some valid points
(This post was last modified: 08-01-2024 06:01 PM by TigerBlue4Ever.)
RE: National Assoc. of Black Journalists To Host Conversation With Trump
(08-01-2024 08:10 AM)BigTigerMike Wrote:
(08-01-2024 07:56 AM)TripleA Wrote:
(08-01-2024 07:38 AM)shere khan Wrote:
(08-01-2024 07:26 AM)MemTigers1998 Wrote: I haven’t watched the interview but I can safely assume that Trump was far and away the smartest person in the room. Not a high bar to clear though
Yeah and he didnt pander. The abc chick asked him a rat court question and he called her on it.
Nobody mind was getting changed at that freak show
Disagree. Nobody's mind was changed at the event, but plenty of undecided minds watching on TV or reading about it later could have been changed.
He could have called her on it in a less confrontational and more diplomatic manner. If you think not, then you really aren't giving Trump much credit.
Look at Kamala. She is trying hard to run away from her entire record and lots of past comments.
All we needed Trump to do yesterday was be slightly more diplomatic in his answer to one question, and take the air out of the room, without turning into Kamala, and he missed the opportunity.
Trump just cannot react to any slight without firing cannons at it. You would hope that just for 3 months, he could figure that out. If so, he might be able to win handily. But so far, no...
If you think Trump messed up today, you really don't understand how to win against the media.
For 9 days, the media has had one narrative.
"Harris is the greatest thing since slice bread" To push that narrative, they have scrubbed her record, made up lies, sent Biden into retirement never to be seen again, pushed her astrotruf as organic support and on and on.
They would have kept doing it for the next 100 days. Many will still try.
Trump changed the narrative today. You can't change the narrative without controversy. You can't change the narrative without saying or doing something that the media is forced to refute or their narrative collapses.
They had to switch from promoting Harris to defending her.
He attacked on several fronts today at the press event, from Indian American to border czar, to bidenomocs impacting the black community, to energy policy. He questioned her truthfulness, her policies, the very narratives they had spun, and because of that, they were forced to defend instead of being on the offense.
He also sparked interest in his rally, where he surgically destructed the entire fake narrative on Harris to his supporters.
You can't do any of that by playing it safe. If he did that, the media would just ignore him like they have for the past 9 days, and the Harris narrative would be all we heard until the DNC convention......
Will it work? It has a better chance of working than playing it safe and being "Above the fray."
This is what it means to fight the good fight. Leave nothing on the table. Go for the jugular. He scored some major hits today.
-Unseen1_unseen
He’s right. All of this pearl clutching and hand wringing from ‘conservatives’ is silly. You don’t play along with their narrative out of fear of losing some phantom support — you’re just playing right in their hands [allow us to do this or that or we’ll call you racist or sexist, which we are already calling you anyway]
RE: National Assoc. of Black Journalists To Host Conversation With Trump
(08-01-2024 08:41 AM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:
(08-01-2024 08:10 AM)BigTigerMike Wrote: If you think Trump messed up today, you really don't understand how to win against the media.
For 9 days, the media has had one narrative.
"Harris is the greatest thing since slice bread" To push that narrative, they have scrubbed her record, made up lies, sent Biden into retirement never to be seen again, pushed her astrotruf as organic support and on and on.
They would have kept doing it for the next 100 days. Many will still try.
Trump changed the narrative today. You can't change the narrative without controversy. You can't change the narrative without saying or doing something that the media is forced to refute or their narrative collapses.
They had to switch from promoting Harris to defending her.
He attacked on several fronts today at the press event, from Indian American to border czar, to bidenomocs impacting the black community, to energy policy. He questioned her truthfulness, her policies, the very narratives they had spun, and because of that, they were forced to defend instead of being on the offense.
He also sparked interest in his rally, where he surgically destructed the entire fake narrative on Harris to his supporters.
You can't do any of that by playing it safe. If he did that, the media would just ignore him like they have for the past 9 days, and the Harris narrative would be all we heard until the DNC convention......
Will it work? It has a better chance of working than playing it safe and being "Above the fray."
This is what it means to fight the good fight. Leave nothing on the table. Go for the jugular. He scored some major hits today.
-Unseen1_unseen
He’s right. All of this pearl clutching and hand wringing from ‘conservatives’ is silly. You don’t play along with their narrative out of fear of losing some phantom support — you’re just playing right in their hands [allow us to do this or that or we’ll call you racist or sexist, which we are already calling you anyway]
Agreed. +3
You can't play the media and dims game and you can't sit around and expect them to expose her for you. It up to the guy at the top of the ticket to move the narrative on her.
RE: National Assoc. of Black Journalists To Host Conversation With Trump
(08-01-2024 08:54 AM)TripleA Wrote:
(08-01-2024 08:10 AM)BigTigerMike Wrote:
(08-01-2024 07:56 AM)TripleA Wrote:
(08-01-2024 07:38 AM)shere khan Wrote:
(08-01-2024 07:26 AM)MemTigers1998 Wrote: I haven’t watched the interview but I can safely assume that Trump was far and away the smartest person in the room. Not a high bar to clear though
Yeah and he didnt pander. The abc chick asked him a rat court question and he called her on it.
Nobody mind was getting changed at that freak show
Disagree. Nobody's mind was changed at the event, but plenty of undecided minds watching on TV or reading about it later could have been changed.
He could have called her on it in a less confrontational and more diplomatic manner. If you think not, then you really aren't giving Trump much credit.
Look at Kamala. She is trying hard to run away from her entire record and lots of past comments.
All we needed Trump to do yesterday was be slightly more diplomatic in his answer to one question, and take the air out of the room, without turning into Kamala, and he missed the opportunity.
Trump just cannot react to any slight without firing cannons at it. You would hope that just for 3 months, he could figure that out. If so, he might be able to win handily. But so far, no...
If you think Trump messed up today, you really don't understand how to win against the media.
For 9 days, the media has had one narrative.
"Harris is the greatest thing since slice bread" To push that narrative, they have scrubbed her record, made up lies, sent Biden into retirement never to be seen again, pushed her astrotruf as organic support and on and on.
They would have kept doing it for the next 100 days. Many will still try.
Trump changed the narrative today. You can't change the narrative without controversy. You can't change the narrative without saying or doing something that the media is forced to refute or their narrative collapses.
They had to switch from promoting Harris to defending her.
He attacked on several fronts today at the press event, from Indian American to border czar, to bidenomocs impacting the black community, to energy policy. He questioned her truthfulness, her policies, the very narratives they had spun, and because of that, they were forced to defend instead of being on the offense.
He also sparked interest in his rally, where he surgically destructed the entire fake narrative on Harris to his supporters.
You can't do any of that by playing it safe. If he did that, the media would just ignore him like they have for the past 9 days, and the Harris narrative would be all we heard until the DNC convention......
Will it work? It has a better chance of working than playing it safe and being "Above the fray."
This is what it means to fight the good fight. Leave nothing on the table. Go for the jugular. He scored some major hits today.
-Unseen1_unseen
He’s right. All of this pearl clutching and hand wringing from ‘conservatives’ is silly. You don’t play along with their narrative out of fear of losing some phantom support — you’re just playing right in their hands [allow us to do this or that or we’ll call you racist or sexist, which we are already calling you anyway]
I suppose Harris Faulkner knows nothing about the media either, lol.
And I'm as far from pearl clutching as possible. Simply pointing out one minor thing he could have corrected to persuade more undecided voters. Seemed an innocent enough reaction, but apparently not in here.
You guys are the ones clutching pearls over the criticism of Trump.
Nah, I for one aint mad at ya!, LOL. We just see this one issue differently and I'm OK with that, especially given that I agree with 99% of your opinions and positions.
RE: National Assoc. of Black Journalists To Host Conversation With Trump
(08-01-2024 10:15 AM)green Wrote:
(08-01-2024 09:58 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:
(08-01-2024 08:42 AM)WalkThePlank Wrote: How do you "stop talking about it" when a journalist directly asks you about it? She asked a loaded question with multiple accusations and he answered it. As he should have.
Actually answer the question she asked...which was when you make the comments you have in the past like she cited...how do you expect black people to support you.
And, I don't know, maybe be a tad contrite and pivot a bit? But he can't as he's afraid that would offend his base.
And then he doubles down with more **** like this. He's just not capable.
you wanna run on identity politics ...
he should shove it up your ass ...
HOVER OVER TARGET
Consider who you're talking to. He is a an actual living, breathing, gelatinous blob of 100% grade A moron.
RE: National Assoc. of Black Journalists To Host Conversation With Trump
(08-01-2024 11:01 AM)TripleA Wrote: Harris Faulkner just said that she believes there was nothing actually wrong with the audio system, and the long delay at the beginning (35-45 minutes), and the inability of Trump to hear Faulkner across the stage, was the result of "shenanigans" by those running the audio.
I also went back and listened to the first question. It really was an all out attack, and certainly out of line with the proposed agenda of the event, and should never have happened, so it's understandable that Trump would get upset by it.
All I'm saying, which seems to offend some here, is that he should figure out how to react to barbs without firing cannons shots every single time. That would help his effort with undecided voters.
It doesn't seem like an unreasonable ask, lol. He actually has toned it down quite a bit, especially right after the assassination attempt and at the RNC, so he is capable of doing it. Responding differently to different situations requires changing your approach from time to time to be the most effective with your audience.
If you prefer him to just bull his way through everything, b/c you want "Trump to be Trump," all I can say is he is missing an opportunity to win over undecided voters.
I don't necessarily disagree. I also don't care much for the way he acts at his rallies at times. He sometimes seems to be looking for laughs by acting goofy. But this time, the way she came at him, that would have likely taken most people aback. I know I would have lost it on her and gone so far as to insult her parents for raising such a mean spirited person. Perhaps a more polished politician might have handled it better. However, for me one of his best qualities is that he's not a politician at heart.
I am much more worried about the dems stealing this election too, rendering anything he says and does between now and November moot.
(This post was last modified: 08-01-2024 06:25 PM by TigerBlue4Ever.)
RE: National Assoc. of Black Journalists To Host Conversation With Trump
Theyve got 10 years of Trump.lippin off. If calling race baiting whore Kamala a phony sinks his ship this country deserves to suffer like it did under biden.
RE: National Assoc. of Black Journalists To Host Conversation With Trump
(08-01-2024 11:04 AM)TripleA Wrote:
(08-01-2024 10:50 AM)WalkThePlank Wrote:
(08-01-2024 10:45 AM)BigTigerMike Wrote: Libs are just mad that Kamala’s crafted honeymoon narrative is being challenged and now they have to defend it
It's also about creating narratives out of thin air to distract from the main issues - cost of living, housing affordability, border, foreign wars, etc.
Unfortunately a strong subset of the population that eat up nonsense like this. Make everything personality driven, ad hominem, race, gender and vote like it's 1964.
Anyone who is basing their vote off of this type of stuff is a hard core Democrat voter anyway. He's not "losing voters."
Really? You don't think undecided voters watching on TV would react poorly to how he handled that situation? I think some would. The base loves it, but undecided voters are a different sell. They need to be convinced he's not just a bully, and that he can handle tough situations diplomatically.
I need to stop now. I'm beginning to sound like AM.
TBH, that's not a bad thing. I know you're ribbing him, and he can take it, it's one reason I value his input.
RE: National Assoc. of Black Journalists To Host Conversation With Trump
(08-01-2024 11:17 AM)The Sicatoka Wrote: Is the picture real and factual (not a culture appropriating Halloween party costume*)?
If yes, it's fair game.
There's no need of a picture to support the claim anyway. It's been documented on video. She's gone so far as to lay claim to being the first Indian American DA or whatever position it was she held. Trump's campaign should be trumpeting the fact that her grandfather was a plantation owner who owned slaves from every rooftop.
RE: National Assoc. of Black Journalists To Host Conversation With Trump
(08-01-2024 06:34 PM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote: Don’t be so sure, guys. For all you know, I might be currently curled up in the fetal position underneath my kitchen table sobbing like a little girl.
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