(07-14-2024 08:50 AM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  

(07-14-2024 07:32 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(07-14-2024 07:00 AM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  The left generally, and the media specifically, need to be made to eat their own hatefulness. There are no “talking points” that excuse the violence that they condone.

We should not be wasting our breath on random idiots, whether on this board or on twitter or other social media platforms. It is the DNC and Big Media that needs to be made to answer four this. Nonstop.

While I agree with the comment, you think this guy got his stupidly from the media? Not a damn chance .....

I hope that I am not being unfair in culling down your response to a single point out of many you made. But it is one that I fear will get lost in the tornado of opinions that are swirling around. And it is too important to ignore.

Yes, I absolutely put big media front and center - - both for excusing the hateful rhetoric coming from the left and for slandering the with made up charges of hate.

We have seen too many instances of left-inspired political attacks over the past decade - - Steve Scalice; Rand Paul; Brett Kavanaugh; Lee Zeldin; and I suspect several others that are not occurring at this moment. In each instance, the media has treated it as something unconnected to the vitriol that is a hallmark of today's violent left. And when reporting it consistently do a "both sides" need to cool the anger coming from their fringe before launching into another speech about the dangers of white nationalists.

All the while they are all in on hyping events that are only tangentially (at best) connected to the right. Charlottesville. Kenosha. J6. There is no "both sides" approach in these instances. There is only a constant drumbeat of painting the right as prone to violence.

Big media is very much complicit with the irretrievably violent left. It does not get a pass here.

I don't disagree with the above but I do think when you have someone this young social media plays a larger role. But even then social media feeds off the MSM. I believe (could be wrong) it's the sound bite type of things you take in on social media that drives the crazies. There are many different levels of crazy and when you see those older shooters they are watching talking heads.

(07-14-2024 08:50 AM)bobdizole Wrote:  

(07-14-2024 08:29 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(07-14-2024 08:15 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(07-14-2024 08:02 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(07-14-2024 07:53 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  I think we should be careful ascribing the motives of the killer until more verified facts arrive.

I remember after the horrific Covenant School shootings the left jumping to the conclusion the murderer was a right wing nut when in fact the biological female identified as a trans with a axe to grind (although details are hard to determine because a judge refuses to release information).

What in the **** is wrong with people.....

the guy clearly tells you one of his motives in the video post you just responded to. Sometimes you just need to take people at what they f'ing say and you can't get much clearer than "I hate republicans. I hate Trump. Guess what you got the wrong guy"

What part of that can't you understand? He flatout told you his motives and nothing else is needed to "wait on". I'm sure I come off as unhinged with some of my rants but I just don't understand people that when someone tells you to your face why they did this....

we must wait to find out his motives

Not only the why but its clear no matter when this video was taken he had this on his mind while recording it.

Like you alluded, vitriol is common currency here and yet no one, to my knowledge, has shot a presidential candidate.

I am molded by disposition and training to wait for accumulation of facts before reaching for a conclusion. Nevertheless, I understand your point and take no offense. We are all wired differently - for better or worse.

If the video is real, while you have every right to wait....

he told everyone his motive. But even if this is a fake video (not the shooter) the main motive is still very clear. He wanted Trump dead and that is clear. So does it really matter what his reasons in his mind for doing this? Whatever those are it doesn't change that his motive was to kill President Trump.


You can wait all you want but that is his motive and the "whys" dont really matter unless he was hired.

To a reasonable person yes. But whether it was a left wing nut or right wing nut who hated Trump enough to try to kill him is going to be very much important to many people.

Either one there's a 98% (probably higher) it was driven by social media so why does it matter, in waiting, on what he was reading or saying or thinking. What was in his mind does not really matter and if you read what some people are saying after the shooting....

its in a lot of others mind. The only difference most wont act on it but it's very clear that those reacting after the shooting have one thing in common. SOCIAL MEDIA driving them and their feelings.

So why would any other motive really matter? Well other than someone putting him up to do the shooting.

I'm just glad that Musk's twitter allows people who were complicit in this to be called out and shamed.

It a[ppears the community note has been taken down, but it will likely get back up. INteresting to note that Bennie Thompsons own staff member was the one who posted on facebook yesterday:

Following the attack, Thompson's Case Manager and Field Director Jacqueline Marsaw's Facebook page had the following post:

"I don't condone violence but please get you some shooting lessons so you don't miss next time oops that wasn't me saying that," the post read.

(07-14-2024 09:18 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  I'm just glad that Musk's twitter allows people who were complicit in this to be called out and shamed.

So true. Good point pre elon the filth would have hid it

Musk allows muh hate speech!!

(07-14-2024 09:06 AM)BlueDragon Wrote:  

(07-14-2024 07:01 AM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  




"My name is Thomas Matthew Crooks, I hate republicans and I hate Trump. And guess what? You got the wrong guy."

What in tarnation is that supposed to mean?

Its almost like he is fleshing out a character.

Maybe its fake, were right at the threshold of them being able to fake anything and it being almost impossible to tell.

This assassin was a pawn.

I can see this. Mental case who took Biden and company seriously and carried out the act. Did the SS know about the threat?

1. Why were spectators ignored?
2. Why was he allowed to take the first shot?
3. Why was there no SS on that roof?
4. Why were the vitriol and call for the assassination of Trump from high ups and others go ignored?

From outside looking in it's like they knew the threat and location, allowed him to take Trump out and then they took him out.

What sucks is one person is dead and others injured.

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(07-14-2024 09:19 AM)shere khan Wrote:  

(07-14-2024 09:18 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  I'm just glad that Musk's twitter allows people who were complicit in this to be called out and shamed.

So true. Good point pre elon the filth would have hid it

If you click on the tweet and read the responses, he is getting railed in the worst kind of way. No doubt he is spending a lot of time battling this when he likely wants to focus on his re-election, but its literally hundreds of responses in a row where he is getting hammered.

Not exactly the kind of drama you want to deal with when you are trying to get re-elected when, 2 years ago, you had a race that was supposed to be called early right after polls closed, but it took into the early hours of the next day to get the call.

(07-14-2024 09:44 AM)hburg Wrote:  

(07-14-2024 09:06 AM)BlueDragon Wrote:  

(07-14-2024 07:01 AM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  




"My name is Thomas Matthew Crooks, I hate republicans and I hate Trump. And guess what? You got the wrong guy."

What in tarnation is that supposed to mean?

Its almost like he is fleshing out a character.

Maybe its fake, were right at the threshold of them being able to fake anything and it being almost impossible to tell.

This assassin was a pawn.

I can see this. Mental case who took Biden and company seriously and carried out the act. Did the SS know about the threat?

1. Why were spectators ignored?
2. Why was he allowed to take the first shot?
3. Why was there no SS on that roof?
4. The vitriol and call for the assassination of Trump from high ups and others go ignored?

From outside looking in it's like they knew the threat and location, allowed him to take Trump out and then they took him out.

What sucks is one person is dead and others injured.

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Fat arsed pepsi security guard dei chick heads the secret service

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(07-13-2024 07:07 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  I didn’t realize there were that many women in the Secret Service. I was happy to see that. They did a great job.

Well, except for actually securing the perimeter.

Oh, and refusing to provide more agents when the Trump campaigned asked.

Director Kimberly A. Cheatle
Kimberly Cheatle is the 27th Director of the U.S. Secret Service, sworn in to office September 17, 2022. She is responsible for successfully executing the agency’s integrated mission of protection and investigations by leading a diverse workforce



Sure, the agents on the ground did their job, but the SS as a whole...

(07-14-2024 09:44 AM)hburg Wrote:  

(07-14-2024 09:06 AM)BlueDragon Wrote:  

(07-14-2024 07:01 AM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  




"My name is Thomas Matthew Crooks, I hate republicans and I hate Trump. And guess what? You got the wrong guy."

What in tarnation is that supposed to mean?

Its almost like he is fleshing out a character.

Maybe its fake, were right at the threshold of them being able to fake anything and it being almost impossible to tell.

This assassin was a pawn.

I can see this. Mental case who took Biden and company seriously and carried out the act. Did the SS know about the threat?

1. Why were spectators ignored?
2. Why was he allowed to take the first shot?
3. Why was there no SS on that roof?
4. Why were the vitriol and call for the assassination of Trump from high ups and others go ignored?

From outside looking in it's like they knew the threat and location, allowed him to take Trump out and then they took him out.

What sucks is one person is dead and others injured.

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The guy in the video isn’t Thomas Matthew Crooks. He’s an internet troll who immediately made a video about the shooting claiming he was the shooter. X actually community noted his posts. His name @Jewgazing

Apparently the kid isn’t to bright because his “cheap fake” may have gotten him into a mess. His account is now gone.

(07-14-2024 09:47 AM)umbluegray Wrote:  

(07-13-2024 07:07 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  I didn’t realize there were that many women in the Secret Service. I was happy to see that. They did a great job.

Well, except for actually securing the perimeter.

Oh, and refusing to provide more agents when the Trump campaigned asked.

Director Kimberly A. Cheatle
Kimberly Cheatle is the 27th Director of the U.S. Secret Service, sworn in to office September 17, 2022. She is responsible for successfully executing the agency’s integrated mission of protection and investigations by leading a diverse workforce



Sure, the agents on the ground did their job, but the SS as a whole...

For clarification, I’m referring to the agents on the ground. They did a great job, but they can’t control being undermanned due to decisions made at the top. I agree that the head did not do her job sufficiently by not providing more agents.

‘Chips and dip’ Secret Service director

(07-14-2024 08:05 AM)WKUApollo Wrote:  

(07-14-2024 08:02 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(07-14-2024 07:53 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  I think we should be careful ascribing the motives of the killer until more verified facts arrive.

I remember after the horrific Covenant School shootings the left jumping to the conclusion the murderer was a right wing nut when in fact the biological female identified as a trans with a axe to grind (although details are hard to determine because a judge refuses to release information).

What in the **** is wrong with people.....

the guy clearly tells you one of his motives in the video post you just responded to. Sometimes you just need to take people at what they f'ing say and you can't get much clearer than "I hate republicans. I hate Trump. Guess what you got the wrong guy"

What part of that can't you understand? He flatout told you his motives and nothing else is needed to "wait on". I'm sure I come off as unhinged with some of my rants but I just don't understand people that when someone tells you to your face why they did this....


we must wait to find out his motives

Not only the why but its clear no matter when this video was taken he had this on his mind while recording it.

There's been lots of posts online that the guy in that video is not the shooter but rather, a troll trying to be famous. At this point we just don't know.

My take is that he didn't do anything to promote himself in this. He may well have prior to this but it appears obvious that they git the wrong guy when trying to pint this on him.

(07-14-2024 08:50 AM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  

(07-14-2024 07:32 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(07-14-2024 07:00 AM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  The left generally, and the media specifically, need to be made to eat their own hatefulness. There are no “talking points” that excuse the violence that they condone.

We should not be wasting our breath on random idiots, whether on this board or on twitter or other social media platforms. It is the DNC and Big Media that needs to be made to answer four this. Nonstop.

While I agree with the comment, you think this guy got his stupidly from the media? Not a damn chance .....

I hope that I am not being unfair in culling down your response to a single point out of many you made. But it is one that I fear will get lost in the tornado of opinions that are swirling around. And it is too important to ignore.

Yes, I absolutely put big media front and center - - both for excusing the hateful rhetoric coming from the left and for slandering the with made up charges of hate.

We have seen too many instances of left-inspired political attacks over the past decade - - Steve Scalice; Rand Paul; Brett Kavanaugh; Lee Zeldin; and I suspect several others that are not occurring at this moment. In each instance, the media has treated it as something unconnected to the vitriol that is a hallmark of today's violent left. And when reporting it consistently do a "both sides" need to cool the anger coming from their fringe before launching into another speech about the dangers of white nationalists.

All the while they are all in on hyping events that are only tangentially (at best) connected to the right. Charlottesville. Kenosha. J6. There is no "both sides" approach in these instances. There is only a constant drumbeat of painting the right as prone to violence.

Big media is very much complicit with the irretrievably violent left. It does not get a pass here.

Posts like this are why you are one of my favorite posters. +3

(07-14-2024 08:57 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  Unfathomable breakdown in security protocol.

People all the way to the top should be removed from their positions today.

Forget Secret Service...if this was just local LEOs I'd want to know how the **** access to an elevated clear line of fire was allowed 130 yards away. This mental defective leftist knew in advance where he was going.

Elect him and purge every single ******* agency of rewarded incompetence and political hacks.

Biden's former head of security runs the Secret Service. Start with her and work down. She sent a skeleton D list detail. Bunch of fat asses stuck in career neutral most likely.

(07-14-2024 09:44 AM)hburg Wrote:  

(07-14-2024 09:06 AM)BlueDragon Wrote:  

(07-14-2024 07:01 AM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  




"My name is Thomas Matthew Crooks, I hate republicans and I hate Trump. And guess what? You got the wrong guy."

What in tarnation is that supposed to mean?

Its almost like he is fleshing out a character.

Maybe its fake, were right at the threshold of them being able to fake anything and it being almost impossible to tell.

This assassin was a pawn.

I can see this. Mental case who took Biden and company seriously and carried out the act. Did the SS know about the threat?

1. Why were spectators ignored?
2. Why was he allowed to take the first shot?
3. Why was there no SS on that roof?
4. Why were the vitriol and call for the assassination of Trump from high ups and others go ignored?

From outside looking in it's like they knew the threat and location, allowed him to take Trump out and then they took him out.

What sucks is one person is dead and others injured.

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I personally don't buy into someone set this up, other than the shooter. I do believe it's just lazy work by those in charge not to let it happen. While you can't actually see it I got the feeling the sniper that saw the shooter before he shot reacted on feelings than training.

If you watch that video over and over on full screen and bring it in tight. It looks like he sees this guy then takes his eye away from the scope looks up and thinking to himself right before the shots. Then he takes the shot. It also looks like the other sniper tried to hide/lay flat. Unless his gun was on that roof and he had to be in that position to take a shot.

People telling the local police about seeing the guy on the roof. Same thing, I think they didn't believe them. ****** work instead of a conspiracy

This morning I am watching this again and a thought comes to mind that did not last night. This was being telecast live. What would the world be like this morning had this filth actually killed Trump on live 4k TV? The world would be a very different place this morning. How close we came to unimaginable tragedy.

(07-14-2024 09:04 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(07-14-2024 08:00 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(07-14-2024 07:54 AM)bearcatfan Wrote:  According to news reports this morning people were telling law enforcement the guy had a gun and was crawling on the roof and he was up there 3 to 4 minutes before he started shooting.

Not good.

I'm guessing you didn't read through this thread, huh?

Well, in fairness, it is a long thread.

I'll tell you the same thing I told squid. I was just joking with him, and making fun of the long thread.

Which was mostly 3 people bickering.

(07-14-2024 10:11 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(07-14-2024 09:44 AM)hburg Wrote:  

(07-14-2024 09:06 AM)BlueDragon Wrote:  

(07-14-2024 07:01 AM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  




"My name is Thomas Matthew Crooks, I hate republicans and I hate Trump. And guess what? You got the wrong guy."

What in tarnation is that supposed to mean?

Its almost like he is fleshing out a character.

Maybe its fake, were right at the threshold of them being able to fake anything and it being almost impossible to tell.

This assassin was a pawn.

I can see this. Mental case who took Biden and company seriously and carried out the act. Did the SS know about the threat?

1. Why were spectators ignored?
2. Why was he allowed to take the first shot?
3. Why was there no SS on that roof?
4. Why were the vitriol and call for the assassination of Trump from high ups and others go ignored?

From outside looking in it's like they knew the threat and location, allowed him to take Trump out and then they took him out.

What sucks is one person is dead and others injured.

Sent from my SM-G988U using Tapatalk

I personally don't buy into someone set this up, other than the shooter. I do believe it's just lazy work by those in charge not to let it happen. While you can't actually see it I got the feeling the sniper that saw the shooter before he shot reacted on feelings than training.

If you watch that video over and over on full screen and bring it in tight. It looks like he sees this guy then takes his eye away from the scope looks up and thinking to himself right before the shots. Then he takes the shot. It also looks like the other sniper tried to hide/lay flat. Unless his gun was on that roof and he had to be in that position to take a shot.

People telling the local police about seeing the guy on the roof. Same thing, I think they didn't believe them. ****** work instead of a conspiracy

You don’t have to plan it. All you have to do is make it easy. What part of that is hard to understand?

https://x.com/SharylAttkisson/status/181...6305045914

Not our best and brightest . One cant holster weapon.

Clown show