(07-14-2024 07:53 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote: I think we should be careful ascribing the motives of the killer until more verified facts arrive.
I remember after the horrific Covenant School shootings the left jumping to the conclusion the murderer was a right wing nut when in fact the biological female identified as a trans with a axe to grind (although details are hard to determine because a judge refuses to release information).
What in the **** is wrong with people.....
the guy clearly tells you one of his motives in the video post you just responded to. Sometimes you just need to take people at what they f'ing say and you can't get much clearer than "I hate republicans. I hate Trump. Guess what you got the wrong guy"
What part of that can't you understand? He flatout told you his motives and nothing else is needed to "wait on". I'm sure I come off as unhinged with some of my rants but I just don't understand people that when someone tells you to your face why they did this....
we must wait to find out his motives
Not only the why but its clear no matter when this video was taken he had this on his mind while recording it.
There's been lots of posts online that the guy in that video is not the shooter but rather, a troll trying to be famous. At this point we just don't know.
If that's the case it looks like he could be the twin of the picture released. Sometimes playing games have a way of coming back to bite you in the ass. Crazy isn't just limited to the left here's enough crazies on the right that might not like games like this.
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(07-14-2024 07:53 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote: I think we should be careful ascribing the motives of the killer until more verified facts arrive.
I remember after the horrific Covenant School shootings the left jumping to the conclusion the murderer was a right wing nut when in fact the biological female identified as a trans with a axe to grind (although details are hard to determine because a judge refuses to release information).
What in the **** is wrong with people.....
the guy clearly tells you one of his motives in the video post you just responded to. Sometimes you just need to take people at what they f'ing say and you can't get much clearer than "I hate republicans. I hate Trump. Guess what you got the wrong guy"
What part of that can't you understand? He flatout told you his motives and nothing else is needed to "wait on". I'm sure I come off as unhinged with some of my rants but I just don't understand people that when someone tells you to your face why they did this....
we must wait to find out his motives
Not only the why but its clear no matter when this video was taken he had this on his mind while recording it.
Like you alluded, vitriol is common currency here and yet no one, to my knowledge, has shot a presidential candidate.
I am molded by disposition and training to wait for accumulation of facts before reaching for a conclusion. Nevertheless, I understand your point and take no offense. We are all wired differently - for better or worse.
If the video is real, while you have every right to wait....
he told everyone his motive. But even if this is a fake video (not the shooter) the main motive is still very clear. He wanted Trump dead and that is clear. So does it really matter what his reasons in his mind for doing this? Whatever those are it doesn't change that his motive was to kill President Trump.
You can wait all you want but that is his motive and the "whys" dont really matter unless he was hired.
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(07-13-2024 07:07 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote: I didn’t realize there were that many women in the Secret Service. I was happy to see that. They did a great job.
this is your first impression of this? You need help.
This woman should never have been within 50 feet of the stage. USSS should be ashamed of itself for allowing this in a protection operation. Why? SHE'S NOT BIG ENOUGH (she is barely big enough to cover his abdomen) NOR IS SHE STRONG ENOUGH to get the PROTECTEE AWAY FROM THE SCENE QUICKLY.
That was not my first impression. I made a series of posts and that post came later.
Here was my actual first impression:
IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:Very sad that someone at the rally was killed.
I made several posts and clearly you weren’t aware of that. I’d appreciate it if you aren’t judgmental and don’t falsely assume what my first impression was. Common decency. Thanks.
As for the post, I said “women” — plural. I was referring to all the women in the operation, you’re referring to the one woman, so we’re talking about two different things. Many people don’t expect women to be in the Secret Service, so I think it’s a good idea as bad people can’t predict who’s SS or not. I stand by my gratitude to the women (and men) in Secret Service and I think they do a great job. I agree with not putting someone small in front of the President - I commend the woman’s heroism, but just put her in a different spot. But my post was referring to all the women in SS, not just one.
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(07-14-2024 07:54 AM)bearcatfan Wrote: According to news reports this morning people were telling law enforcement the guy had a gun and was crawling on the roof and he was up there 3 to 4 minutes before he started shooting.
Not good.
onlookers may have flustered the assassin just enough to preclude calamity ...
(07-14-2024 07:54 AM)bearcatfan Wrote: According to news reports this morning people were telling law enforcement the guy had a gun and was crawling on the roof and he was up there 3 to 4 minutes before he started shooting.
Not good.
I'm guessing you didn't read through this thread, huh?
To be fair, I woke up and this thread had 200 replies while I was asleep.
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No kidding? Just giving him a friendly nudge.
And to be fair, I open this thread to see if there is any updated news, and mostly what you got in those 200 posts was peeps bickering.
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(07-14-2024 07:00 AM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote: The left generally, and the media specifically, need to be made to eat their own hatefulness. There are no “talking points” that excuse the violence that they condone.
We should not be wasting our breath on random idiots, whether on this board or on twitter or other social media platforms. It is the DNC and Big Media that needs to be made to answer four this. Nonstop.
While I agree with the comment, you think this guy got his stupidly from the media? Not a damn chance .....
I hope that I am not being unfair in culling down your response to a single point out of many you made. But it is one that I fear will get lost in the tornado of opinions that are swirling around. And it is too important to ignore.
Yes, I absolutely put big media front and center - - both for excusing the hateful rhetoric coming from the left and for slandering the with made up charges of hate.
We have seen too many instances of left-inspired political attacks over the past decade - - Steve Scalice; Rand Paul; Brett Kavanaugh; Lee Zeldin; and I suspect several others that are not occurring at this moment. In each instance, the media has treated it as something unconnected to the vitriol that is a hallmark of today's violent left. And when reporting it consistently do a "both sides" need to cool the anger coming from their fringe before launching into another speech about the dangers of white nationalists.
All the while they are all in on hyping events that are only tangentially (at best) connected to the right. Charlottesville. Kenosha. J6. There is no "both sides" approach in these instances. There is only a constant drumbeat of painting the right as prone to violence.
Big media is very much complicit with the irretrievably violent left. It does not get a pass here.
(07-14-2024 07:53 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote: I think we should be careful ascribing the motives of the killer until more verified facts arrive.
I remember after the horrific Covenant School shootings the left jumping to the conclusion the murderer was a right wing nut when in fact the biological female identified as a trans with a axe to grind (although details are hard to determine because a judge refuses to release information).
What in the **** is wrong with people.....
the guy clearly tells you one of his motives in the video post you just responded to. Sometimes you just need to take people at what they f'ing say and you can't get much clearer than "I hate republicans. I hate Trump. Guess what you got the wrong guy"
What part of that can't you understand? He flatout told you his motives and nothing else is needed to "wait on". I'm sure I come off as unhinged with some of my rants but I just don't understand people that when someone tells you to your face why they did this....
we must wait to find out his motives
Not only the why but its clear no matter when this video was taken he had this on his mind while recording it.
Like you alluded, vitriol is common currency here and yet no one, to my knowledge, has shot a presidential candidate.
I am molded by disposition and training to wait for accumulation of facts before reaching for a conclusion. Nevertheless, I understand your point and take no offense. We are all wired differently - for better or worse.
If the video is real, while you have every right to wait....
he told everyone his motive. But even if this is a fake video (not the shooter) the main motive is still very clear. He wanted Trump dead and that is clear. So does it really matter what his reasons in his mind for doing this? Whatever those are it doesn't change that his motive was to kill President Trump.
You can wait all you want but that is his motive and the "whys" dont really matter unless he was hired.
To a reasonable person yes. But whether it was a left wing nut or right wing nut who hated Trump enough to try to kill him is going to be very much important to many people.
(07-14-2024 02:15 AM)hburg Wrote: Sounds like the left is trying to change the narrative that Trump was behind it or that even Republicans hate Trump. They are some sick people.
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Which is why I think the whole "shooter is a Republican" and any evidence supporting it is false.
Edit: Fox News as well as other outlets are in fact confirming that he was a registered as a Republican, but that he donated money to leftist organizations. Is it possible he registered to vote in the Republican primary in 2022? I wonder...
(07-13-2024 07:07 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote: I didn’t realize there were that many women in the Secret Service. I was happy to see that. They did a great job.
this is your first impression of this? You need help.
This woman should never have been within 50 feet of the stage. USSS should be ashamed of itself for allowing this in a protection operation. Why? SHE'S NOT BIG ENOUGH (she is barely big enough to cover his abdomen) NOR IS SHE STRONG ENOUGH to get the PROTECTEE AWAY FROM THE SCENE QUICKLY.
This is "Diversity" at it's worst, and if you'd ever been a part of a protection operation, you'd know it.
the Secret Service's AAR for this will be a sh^tshow. Many, many questions need answers.
So you say you want to be diverse, equitable and inclusive, huh?
People all the way to the top should be removed from their positions today.
Forget Secret Service...if this was just local LEOs I'd want to know how the **** access to an elevated clear line of fire was allowed 130 yards away. This mental defective leftist knew in advance where he was going.
Elect him and purge every single ******* agency of rewarded incompetence and political hacks.
Biden's former head of security runs the Secret Service. Start with her and work down. She sent a skeleton D list detail. Bunch of fat asses stuck in career neutral most likely.
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(07-13-2024 07:46 PM)200yrs2late Wrote: And you're just continuing to prove yourself an emotional hothead. I never repeated anything. Like Joe, apparently it's past your bedtime.
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Keep it up chithead.
What's next? Gonna call me 'pal' and threaten to take me out behind the shed? Mumble something about cornpop? Just don't start talking about your golf hanicap.
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I hope you’re drunk so you have an excuse.
Was thinking the same about you. Your attacks on me are baseless and demonstrate a serious lack of reading comprehension.
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I'm not sure what prompted this feeding frenzy but I have always known you to be a rational and reasonable poster with a conservative mindset.
that biatch just ran off into the ditch ... luckily, there were no other survivors (2 trans, 4 fagoos, and the ubiquitous 3 other dipshites)
Too young and too stupid to know what hate is. She's just another Polly who wants a cracker! Parrots anything her handlers at TikTok want them to think in order to be approved. Talked to a daughter of a friend of mine and got 20 minutes of circular arguments from her. She got pointed questions from me with details and didn't have a clue as to what I was asking. It was off her script. I pray for that family because she's programmed.
This is what happens when some of the lowest in our society have our kids from 8AM until 3:30PM Monday through Friday except for socially approved holidays acknowledging some victim for the cause. There are the front lines of this war, education!
Why are most white women my age like this?
Simple truth. Your age group was NEVER DSCIPLINED and our Idiots replaced God in schools with ideological leftist extremism.
My daughter in her mid twenties is light years ahead of her age group because I didn’t tolerate bad behavior nor did I accept any progressive views. When she was taught progressive ideology I would explain to her in detail the fallacy of such doctrine.
She has a great job in oil and gas industry and owns her own home 3br brick but can’t find a decent guy either.
If you need a an example of what I’m saying look no further than Jesus telling the man whom he exorcised spirits from telling him if you don’t fill your soul with Godly things these demons will come back in greater numbers.
(07-14-2024 05:44 AM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote: Where ARE all the board lefties?
Awaiting their certified talking points. It is truly imperative they repeat the same points in any "discussions". The shooter being a "registered Republican" will be repeated about 200 times today on this site.
Hillary and Pelosi have got be in a rage over this botched attempt on Trump.
The left generally, and the media specifically, need to be made to eat their own hatefulness. There are no “talking points” that excuse the violence that they condone.
We should not be wasting our breath on random idiots, whether on this board or on twitter or other social media platforms. It is the DNC and Big Media that needs to be made to answer four this. Nonstop.
While I agree with the comment, you think this guy got his stupidly from the media? Not a damn chance, it's DNC talking points and social media, and its not just the lefties idiots that bought into it. So it won't surprise me if this idiot was register to vote republican and if that's the case you can add the 24/7 never Trumpers to that list. Hell you can add them no matter what because they played their role on social media just like the far left idiots.
It's hard for me to believe a 20 year old would register republican, unless at least one of three things were in play....
1. Like a lot of young white men, they hate being called names and like that Trump stands up for them. So Trump brought them to the party.
2. Parents are never Trumpers republican
3. Wanted to vote against Trump in the primaries.
Out of those 3 the last two are the most likely and I would rank 3 over 2 but both are made up of unhinged idiots that believe the DNC talking points and the 24/7 of social media. Which feeds off MSM but if I had to guess this guy got his brain twisted feeding off social media (including message boards)...
When it comes to hating Trump the left idiots are only a step away from those republicans that feed into and off of and bought into the DNC, and media talking points.
I'm going to switch courses and go a different direction on this and a lot of the problems we are seeing from young idiots....
locked up in their room playing shooter video games that makes them feel like its real life. Today it makes it so much easier for these crazies to carry that from the game to reality. You go from there to thinking you will become a hero to those unhinges f'ers you are dealing with the rest of the day and night on social media. That doesn't just limited it to those left idiots, that someone like this crazy f'er that wanted to become a hero to them, dead one or not. They also looks at those never/anit Trump people as agreeing with their thinking....
the only real difference is levels of hate and degrees of spewing it but it plays that role in it and can't be dismissed.
I'm going with what's behind door number 3 myself.
(07-14-2024 07:54 AM)bearcatfan Wrote: According to news reports this morning people were telling law enforcement the guy had a gun and was crawling on the roof and he was up there 3 to 4 minutes before he started shooting.
Not good.
I'm guessing you didn't read through this thread, huh?
