(07-13-2024 10:28 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(07-13-2024 10:21 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(07-13-2024 10:17 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(07-13-2024 10:08 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(07-13-2024 10:06 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  

Frick you you POS

And there is the real problem. Entire generations of psychos indoctrinated by garbage.

Public Education is the #1 tool of the enemies of our Republic. Nothing changes until we take that back first and all we need to do is to make it the responsibility of the local county or parish to fund, hire and fire, and approve curriculum. Get it out of the hands of the NEA and out of the hands of the state, and into the hands of the parents and those who represent them. It's the easiest fix we have, the most needed one, but one the Marxists and Maoists among us will fight to the death over.

That's not the real problem. Its the radicals on the school boards. Most conservatives are too busy earning a living and taking care of family.

You are dead wrong about this Bullet. It is a top down issue beginning with NEA and their cohorts in each state. It's easily fixed if the people at the local level take it over and that's where your motivation point is relevant. But text book selection, Federal money demanding some things be taught or not taught all come top down. Don't take the Federal money and you don't have to follow their dictates. This snake has a head.

Even with a picture out there, still no name of the shooter has been leaked 5 hours later. No identification leak even with a picture in this age of social media leads me to believe the shooter lives online and is someone who knows few people IRL.

Quote:A recent tweet from World Source News 24/7 has revealed a concerning development in Butler County, Pennsylvania. The bomb squad is currently responding to a suspicious van with out-of-state plates, raising alarms due to its close proximity to where former President Trump held a rally earlier that day.

The situation is unfolding in real-time, with authorities taking swift action to assess the potential threat posed by the van. The presence of out-of-state plates adds an extra layer of mystery to the situation, leaving many questions unanswered.

https://countylocalnews.com/article1/202...-on-scene/

LONE WOLF

(07-13-2024 10:03 PM)green Wrote:  

(07-13-2024 09:53 PM)bobdizole Wrote:  The internet is wild. There is already a photo of the shooter with the back of his head blown off out there. Def looking like a antifa character

https://twitter.com/ImMeme0/status/1812301572400972123

FASHION PHOTOG

That could have been Trump.
How close they have brought us to neighbor against neighbor with extreme prejudice.

(07-13-2024 10:34 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  Even with a picture out there, still no name of the shooter has been leaked 5 hours later. No identification leak even with a picture in this age of social media leads me to believe the shooter lives online and is someone who knows few people IRL.

The delay is so that they can assemble facts, but more importantly their coming joint announcement tonight is to make sure only 1 version gets out, the approved one.

The would-be assassin was 20 years old and a Pennsylvanian, but that's the only official information released.

I suspect the delay means they are looking for accessories

(07-13-2024 10:34 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  Even with a picture out there, still no name of the shooter has been leaked 5 hours later. No identification leak even with a picture in this age of social media leads me to believe the shooter lives online and is someone who knows few people IRL.

Apparently security cam footage from the business he climbed the roof on.

(07-13-2024 10:29 PM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  

(07-13-2024 09:47 PM)bobdizole Wrote:  

(07-13-2024 09:37 PM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(07-13-2024 07:57 PM)GrayBeard Wrote:  

(07-13-2024 07:54 PM)miko33 Wrote:  What about 22 hornet or 220 swift?

It appears I was wrong. I was thinking the shooter was in the crowd with a handgun.

Understandable. There's been a line of thought for years that an assassins weapon of choice when it comes to handguns is a .22. I don't think there is a standard caliber or round preferred by assassins given all the variables one might have to consider when attempting to assassinate someone.

A .22 Hornet is still a .22. It is still only 0.224 inches in diameter. It's different from .22LR in that it's center-fired and capable of much higher velocities. It's also reloadable. I may have to buy a die and start loading some.

I don't know a lot about the .220 Swift except that it's capable of velocities up to 4600 F/S and its effective range is about twice that of a .22LR but it's still in that .223/.224 diameter size.

Depends on the shot you need to take. A 6.5 or a 308 is going to fly long and straight and have some penetration when it gets there. They are not rapid fire caliber weapons on a long gun platform though. From the distance this shooter was a .22 would do the job if it's a head shot. It will penetrate the skull and bounce around like a pinball. Though you do hear of people surviving .22 shots to the head.

You can get a 6.5 or .308 in an AR platform. Both extremely accurate and deadly to 1500 yds. 150 yds is child’s play.

Trumps movements combined with the stress of the moment for the shooter probably saved the president.

A 308 would hurt like a mofo at any sort of ROF. My buddy has a bolt action we shoot at the farm and that thing kicks like a damn mule. **edit** He has a .300 win mag, I had to text to ask him because an AR platform on that recoil seemed insane to me.

But to your last point and a comment I made to my wife. Trumps crazy head movements probably saved him. The investigation into this will provide a lot of answers. If it was a .22 it makes sense to go for the headshot. With Trump's age a shot to the chest would have probably been fatal with a larger caliber. I don't think this is going to turn out to be some sort of thrill novel assassin.

This seems to confirm the BBC interviewee

https://x.com/Ultrafrog17/status/1812308678659187190

(07-13-2024 10:50 PM)bobdizole Wrote:  

(07-13-2024 10:29 PM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  

(07-13-2024 09:47 PM)bobdizole Wrote:  

(07-13-2024 09:37 PM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(07-13-2024 07:57 PM)GrayBeard Wrote:  It appears I was wrong. I was thinking the shooter was in the crowd with a handgun.

Understandable. There's been a line of thought for years that an assassins weapon of choice when it comes to handguns is a .22. I don't think there is a standard caliber or round preferred by assassins given all the variables one might have to consider when attempting to assassinate someone.

A .22 Hornet is still a .22. It is still only 0.224 inches in diameter. It's different from .22LR in that it's center-fired and capable of much higher velocities. It's also reloadable. I may have to buy a die and start loading some.

I don't know a lot about the .220 Swift except that it's capable of velocities up to 4600 F/S and its effective range is about twice that of a .22LR but it's still in that .223/.224 diameter size.

Depends on the shot you need to take. A 6.5 or a 308 is going to fly long and straight and have some penetration when it gets there. They are not rapid fire caliber weapons on a long gun platform though. From the distance this shooter was a .22 would do the job if it's a head shot. It will penetrate the skull and bounce around like a pinball. Though you do hear of people surviving .22 shots to the head.

You can get a 6.5 or .308 in an AR platform. Both extremely accurate and deadly to 1500 yds. 150 yds is child’s play.

Trumps movements combined with the stress of the moment for the shooter probably saved the president.

A 308 would hurt like a mofo at any sort of ROF. My buddy has a bolt action we shoot at the farm and that thing kicks like a damn mule.

But to your last point and a comment I made to my wife. Trumps crazy head movements probably saved him. The investigation into this will provide a lot of answers. If it was a .22 it makes sense to go for the headshot. With Trump's age a shot to the chest would have probably been fatal with a larger caliber. I don't think this is going to turn out to be some sort of thrill novel assassin.

Well hopefully he wears a vest in public 24/7. If he doesn't, he should after this.

The left has just declared war on the right... Y'all don't want this. This will end badly for y'all.

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(07-13-2024 10:34 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  Even with a picture out there, still no name of the shooter has been leaked 5 hours later. No identification leak even with a picture in this age of social media leads me to believe the shooter lives online and is someone who knows few people IRL.

Believe nothing

NY Post just leaked the shooter. The fact no one on social media knew who he was makes me believe he spent his life ruminating over extremist material online and had few-to-no friends IRL.
https://nypost.com/2024/07/13/us-news/th...-pa-rally/

I wish you guys would stop with the “.22 caliber” nonsense. .22s are for when you can put the barrel to the back of the victim’s head, not when shooting from 150 yards.

(07-13-2024 10:57 PM)chrisd11 Wrote:  

(07-13-2024 10:50 PM)bobdizole Wrote:  

(07-13-2024 10:29 PM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  

(07-13-2024 09:47 PM)bobdizole Wrote:  

(07-13-2024 09:37 PM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  Understandable. There's been a line of thought for years that an assassins weapon of choice when it comes to handguns is a .22. I don't think there is a standard caliber or round preferred by assassins given all the variables one might have to consider when attempting to assassinate someone.

A .22 Hornet is still a .22. It is still only 0.224 inches in diameter. It's different from .22LR in that it's center-fired and capable of much higher velocities. It's also reloadable. I may have to buy a die and start loading some.

I don't know a lot about the .220 Swift except that it's capable of velocities up to 4600 F/S and its effective range is about twice that of a .22LR but it's still in that .223/.224 diameter size.

Depends on the shot you need to take. A 6.5 or a 308 is going to fly long and straight and have some penetration when it gets there. They are not rapid fire caliber weapons on a long gun platform though. From the distance this shooter was a .22 would do the job if it's a head shot. It will penetrate the skull and bounce around like a pinball. Though you do hear of people surviving .22 shots to the head.

You can get a 6.5 or .308 in an AR platform. Both extremely accurate and deadly to 1500 yds. 150 yds is child’s play.

Trumps movements combined with the stress of the moment for the shooter probably saved the president.

A 308 would hurt like a mofo at any sort of ROF. My buddy has a bolt action we shoot at the farm and that thing kicks like a damn mule.

But to your last point and a comment I made to my wife. Trumps crazy head movements probably saved him. The investigation into this will provide a lot of answers. If it was a .22 it makes sense to go for the headshot. With Trump's age a shot to the chest would have probably been fatal with a larger caliber. I don't think this is going to turn out to be some sort of thrill novel assassin.

Well hopefully he wears a vest in public 24/7. If he doesn't, he should after this.

I'd imagine he will have polycarb shields going forward, but maybe not. Doesn't really fit his image, but a bullet 2.5" from ending your life might make him reconsider

(07-13-2024 11:01 PM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  I wish you guys would stop with the “.22 caliber” nonsense. .22s are for when you can put the barrel to the back of the victim’s head, not when shooting from 150 yards.

We have removed many gophers with a .22lr out to 100 yards. I agree I don't think I'd risk my one shot with that though. We use it for gophers because it's so damn cheap.

https://twitter.com/Adrian__MAGA/status/...9997044150

IT PUTS THE LOTION IN THE BASKET

Truly sad day


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(07-13-2024 10:37 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(07-13-2024 10:34 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  Even with a picture out there, still no name of the shooter has been leaked 5 hours later. No identification leak even with a picture in this age of social media leads me to believe the shooter lives online and is someone who knows few people IRL.

The delay is so that they can assemble facts, but more importantly their coming joint announcement tonight is to make sure only 1 version gets out, the approved one.

The would-be assassin was 20 years old and a Pennsylvanian, but that's the only official information released.

And he had no means of ID on him, so they are trying to use biometrics to identify him. I'm watching the presser live right now, 12:15 am ET.

I don't see how they even know that much with no ID.