I know it's not important and normally it's not a big deal. But sometimes, it gets irritating when someone makes a reference and you can feel that it's incorrect and you have to fact check to verify the factoid given.

I was watching a clip from the Gutfeld show on YT. During their discussion they talked about how the Dems try to make DJT out to be an Existential Thread to Democracy and the comparisons to Hitler that inevitably follow. Discussion flowed into the trope of "________ is as bad as Hitler" for whenever people feel someone is an evil character. That flowed to who did people say Hitler was as bad as since you can't compare him to himself. One of the panelists made the joke that "Hitler is the next Leopold III"...

Maybe it's because I've been reading up on WW2 history and remembered that Leopold III was the ruler in charge of Belgium when Hitler had his army attack France thru Belgium. It was Leopold II who should have been the reference in the joke. He was the King of the Belgians who ran the Congo Free State where his atrocities took place.

I admit it. Sometimes I'm weird.

You think that is the only thing they got wrong? The whole statement is 100% false and if you ask someone that says that to explain their reasons.....

99% of the time it will sound like they are talking about current democrats

I was that way and still am to a point (got a lot better at it) on numbers and letting it bother me

(07-13-2024 07:37 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  You think that is the only thing they got wrong? The whole statement is 100% false and if you ask someone that says that to explain their reasons.....

99% of the time it will sound like they are talking about current democrats

I was that way and still am to a point (got a lot better at it) on numbers and letting it bother me

I try to take the approach to focus more on the point to be made and not stress over misstated facts provided those inaccurate pieces of information aren’t important to the idea. That approach can be dangerous because you open yourself up to the possibility of falling for a straw man.

Generally it’s safer to insist on accuracy in all things great and small - IMHO.

(07-13-2024 07:11 AM)miko33 Wrote:  I know it's not important and normally it's not a big deal. But sometimes, it gets irritating when someone makes a reference and you can feel that it's incorrect and you have to fact check to verify the factoid given.

I was watching a clip from the Gutfeld show on YT. During their discussion they talked about how the Dems try to make DJT out to be an Existential Thread to Democracy and the comparisons to Hitler that inevitably follow. Discussion flowed into the trope of "________ is as bad as Hitler" for whenever people feel someone is an evil character. That flowed to who did people say Hitler was as bad as since you can't compare him to himself. One of the panelists made the joke that "Hitler is the next Leopold III"...

Maybe it's because I've been reading up on WW2 history and remembered that Leopold III was the ruler in charge of Belgium when Hitler had his army attack France thru Belgium. It was Leopold II who should have been the reference in the joke. He was the King of the Belgians who ran the Congo Free State where his atrocities took place.

I admit it. Sometimes I'm weird.

I have an 11 year old son. I am constantly listening to him talk and having to tell him to stop saying things that aren't true. Most of the time they aren't complete fabrications, but stating facts that aren't true.

When he gets with his other friends around the same age there's more bullsh1t flying through the air than Congress.

WWE fans that think it's real irritate me.

A bunch of jabrones in their underwear performing pathetically phony "wrestling". Bugs flying into a zapper is better entertainment.

(07-13-2024 09:31 AM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  WWE fans that think it's real irritate me.

A bunch of jabrones in their underwear performing pathetically phony "wrestling". Bugs flying into a zapper is better entertainment.

(07-13-2024 09:31 AM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  WWE fans that think it's real irritate me.

A bunch of jabrones in their underwear performing pathetically phony "wrestling". Bugs flying into a zapper is better entertainment.

Its 2024, I doubt there are any fans over the age of 10 who think its real.

20-25 years ago they still presented the show as if it was real and keeping "kayfabe" was the most serious rule in the business.

Today all wrestlers openly and routinely acknowledge its a show and its not real all across social media. That's been the case for many years now.

But fans will still have "watercooler" discussions as of the story is real, much like people do about their favorite TV shows. You can look at any popular TV show people will discuss the story and characters as if they are real, but everyone knows they really aren't.

Even most children who ask the wrestlers questions at media and fan shows ask about backstage decisions, booking and behind the scene politics, upcoming storylines, etc. they all know its fake.

In most cases the "good guys" and heels will all interact with the fans together just like TV show actors.

I was a big fan as a kid and was a big fan in the late 90's when Stone Cold Steve Austin was a big star and the NWO was a big thing. Not so much anymore, I'll just occasionally catch a few minutes of it. I prefer hearing the stories from the older wrestlers about how the business was run and how crazy their lives were in the 70's- the 90's. Wrestling podcasts are a huge thing on youtube these days, they break down all the insider details of what it was like and how it worked. You also get the truth on how absolutely evil Vince McMahon and many of the old promoters were. And its not just their business practices.

(07-13-2024 07:11 AM)miko33 Wrote:  I know it's not important and normally it's not a big deal. But sometimes, it gets irritating when someone makes a reference and you can feel that it's incorrect and you have to fact check to verify the factoid given.

I was watching a clip from the Gutfeld show on YT. During their discussion they talked about how the Dems try to make DJT out to be an Existential Thread to Democracy and the comparisons to Hitler that inevitably follow. Discussion flowed into the trope of "________ is as bad as Hitler" for whenever people feel someone is an evil character. That flowed to who did people say Hitler was as bad as since you can't compare him to himself. One of the panelists made the joke that "Hitler is the next Leopold III"...

Maybe it's because I've been reading up on WW2 history and remembered that Leopold III was the ruler in charge of Belgium when Hitler had his army attack France thru Belgium. It was Leopold II who should have been the reference in the joke. He was the King of the Belgians who ran the Congo Free State where his atrocities took place.

I admit it. Sometimes I'm weird.

Leopoldo’s atrocities do not minimize Hitler’s. Heck always saying Hitler when taking about WWII leaves out the atrocities committed by Hirohito.

Is the trope not used here discussing the other side?

On a much more serious note.....

Trying being a Christian and listen to the outright cluelessness of everything about the Bible and the faith from the whole world.

Most people think Jesus was not even a real person, even though secular historians are in universal agreement He indeed was a real person, from Galilee, crucified by Pilate at Passover and at the behest of the Sanhedrin.

Most people think our modern Bible came about by being filtered through and retranslated over and over through countless languages and no one knows what was written in the early church. Its a complete lie, we have massive amounts of 2300 year old copies of the Old Testament in Hebrew and Greek and we have thousands of NT manuscripts in the original language it was written in (Greek) from very early in the church age. We even have thousands of letters written by the early church fathers of the 1st, 2nd and 3rd centuries that quote much of the NT. Not only that, we have extensively detailed Bible commentaries from the 1st- the 5th centuries telling us not only what NT books they believed in, but what was written in them and how they were taught in the early church. We have an incredibly detailed early history of the the church, what they taught, what they believed and can pinpoint exactly when doctrinal changes and schisms began to creep in.

So why does the general public think the complete opposite of reality on these topics? Hollywood, pop culture and secular documentaries that just straight up lie about all this stuff and have for a long time.

And its incredibly effective. For the first 40 years of my life they had me completely brainwashed on all this stuff and I bought into all of it. At roughly about 40 I began to read, study and research for myself (serious heath issues had me asking was there any real evidence for God and if so which God) and I was just blown away about how much I had been blatantly lied to about all this.

When you hear the same lies and propaganda repeated from birth all through your life just assume its truth. After all if it wasn't true I wouldn't heard it said from everyone over and over and over again. right? WRONG.

Jesus and the Bible are the two most bonafied and verifiable facts from antiquity TIMES 10. The only key thing we can't fully prove is the Resurrection itself, even through all the evidence we do have screams it really happened. But the truth is even if we had it on 4k video today, half the world would still says its fake. So its kind of a moot point anyway as far as "proof". Hence faith and God asking you to seek Him out with all your heart. Its not a "proof" issue at all, its a heart issue.

Most people don't reject it for a lack of evidence, they reject it because they don't want to be held accountable for their life and don't want to repent of their sin. All we have to do is look at politics and we see how easily people will willfully lie to themselves and blind themselves from reality. How much more so will they when it comes to God and the Gospel?

Hollywood and TV are setup up to purposely attack Christianity and the Bible at its core, they don't even try to hide it anymore over the last few decades. Fundamental Biblical Christianity is the #1 enemy of secular culture, politics and entertainment. The absolute worst sins in the Bible are literally the most celebrated and glorified "values" in modern secular and pop culture. EVERYTHING. They literally took the worst and most destructive sins of the Bible and pushed them all as the most cherished modern "values". And its now mainlined and shotgunned into childrens minds from the earliest age all through college.

Most people are stupid on most topics. What bothers me is people from that group that will steadfastly argue a topic with a very well informed or educated person on something they know little about.

I really try to stay in my lane when it comes to fact based conversations on topics I don’t know the facts about. Opinions are for everyone, they just vary in validity based on a persons depth of knowledge, but a person with little knowledge can have a well reasoned opinion. A fact based discussion has to be among people that actually know the facts or are curious to learn to make it worthwhile.

Left-handed people should NEVER be permitted to put twisties onto the plastic bread bag, unless they have trained themselves to twist it in the direction of a normal right-handed person.

This is too important to be left to the states. Congress needs to pass a law.

(07-13-2024 12:05 PM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  Left-handed people should NEVER be permitted to put twisties onto the plastic bread bag, unless they have trained themselves to twist it in the direction of a normal right-handed person.

This is too important to be left to the states. Congress needs to pass a law.

lol +3

(07-13-2024 09:31 AM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  WWE fans that think it's real irritate me.

A bunch of jabrones in their underwear performing pathetically phony "wrestling". Bugs flying into a zapper is better entertainment.

What is a jabron? Which language did it originate from? Just curious.

(07-13-2024 01:00 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  

(07-13-2024 09:31 AM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  WWE fans that think it's real irritate me.

A bunch of jabrones in their underwear performing pathetically phony "wrestling". Bugs flying into a zapper is better entertainment.

What is a jabron? Which language did it originate from? Just curious.

I think its originally Italian. It became common in the 1920 or so.

The Rock brought it back in a big way in the late 90's when his wrestling career really took off. “Jabroni,” “Candy Ass,” “Roody Poo,” and “Know your role and shut your mouth" were some of his big catch phrases back then. Pro Wrasslin catches phrases, crotch chops, hand signals and tee shirts seemed to be everywhere in the late 90's. They went from niche to mainstream. NFL players, baseball players, even NASCAR guys were using them all the time.

(07-13-2024 07:11 AM)miko33 Wrote:  I know it's not important and normally it's not a big deal. But sometimes, it gets irritating when someone makes a reference and you can feel that it's incorrect and you have to fact check to verify the factoid given.

I was watching a clip from the Gutfeld show on YT. During their discussion they talked about how the Dems try to make DJT out to be an Existential Thread to Democracy and the comparisons to Hitler that inevitably follow. Discussion flowed into the trope of "________ is as bad as Hitler" for whenever people feel someone is an evil character. That flowed to who did people say Hitler was as bad as since you can't compare him to himself. One of the panelists made the joke that "Hitler is the next Leopold III"...

Maybe it's because I've been reading up on WW2 history and remembered that Leopold III was the ruler in charge of Belgium when Hitler had his army attack France thru Belgium. It was Leopold II who should have been the reference in the joke. He was the King of the Belgians who ran the Congo Free State where his atrocities took place.

I admit it. Sometimes I'm weird.

Join the club. This is the one thing the Idiots in MSM know nothing about. They are totally clueless when they spout the RIGHT SIDE OF HISTORY when history has already proven their ideology a failure repeatedly.

I could cite a mountain of historical statistics on this topic but Clowns don’t care about historical facts.

Speaking of WW2 I was always puzzled why Hitler considered the British to be on equal footing as Germans as a superior race. To understand this, one would have to delve into the past.

The Huns aka Germanic tribes ended the reign of the Roman Empire. They were by all accounts savage and brutal. The fiercest of the Germanic tribes were Angles, Saxons and Jutes.

Once the Empire fell, the Angles aka Anglos and Saxons resettled in England. Within in Centuries the Sun would never set on the British Empire.

Most Historians have made the connection between the Huns and the Anglos and Saxons.

Hitler for all of his madness was aware of the Germanic origins of the 20th century British and their lineage of fighting. Mystery solved.

Interesting thread.

I admit I used to be extremely uptight about that sort of thing. When I think back on somethings I said on message boards in the 2000-2010 era, I genuinely cringe in embarrassment.

Now, I usually just let it pass. If I can find a polite, non-troll way to offer a factual correction, I might do so, but only if I think it’s on-point.

If your DNA shows you're English you most likely have both Hun and Norman blood in you. This alone would make you a warrior ready for a fight.

History when written in facts doesn’t lie.

First subject: Who was the most evil from the past to the present? There are many candidates even from Bible days. One could say that Saul who later became Paul was the most evil because he made it his job to persecute and murder Christians because they didn't conform to Jewish law and because in Jewish eyes they were being heretical/blasphemous.

Then we go to Torquemada, who was the opposite of Saul, he was persecuting Jews and anyone not Catholic. The stories of how evil this man and his fellow Inquisitors are movie material. There were instances where a person who was schedule for torture died before they could torture him/her and they would dig him/her out and then burn him/her at the stake.

There are many, many people that could fall into the evil category, Mao, Stalin, Hitler, Torquemada, Pol Pot, Idi Amin, etc. But who was worst? Did it matter to the people that were killed? I don't think so, you could add our current serial killers into that mass, what difference does it make to the person killed? Not one difference, they were evil enough to take a life.

Okay, now as far as wrestling. I don't watch it I think it's all fake but my question is if people love it why should I care? I don't, to each his own. My question is: If the whole affair is predetermined on who wins and they follow a script how is a champion chosen? Do any "bad guys" ever win the title? What I see in wrestling are very agile performers. They're the opposite of those tiny gymnast doing somersaults but yet in their hugeness they are actually performing to that degree.

Now, to the last question. Is it wrong to spew a little lie when throwing out facts in politics? Yes, it is because they are going satan's route of mixing a whole lot of lies with a tidbit of truth. That little tidbit is what makes people repeat it and the lie keeps getting bigger and more abundant. Look at the lie about Trump and the Russia, Russia, Russia lie. They tell the gullibles the lie and they go believing it and making a judgment on it and to further complicate the lie they get "experts" who will swear on their bible, the biblle of satan that it's true. The same thing happened with Hunter laptop where 51 "experts" lied that it was a Russian conspiracy until it wasn't. The truth finally came out but the gullibles still throw it out when defending their sect, the Demoncraps.

So yes, a little lie is the mainstay of satan and people learn it well from him because they practice it...over and over and over...

I hate people who think "Last Christmas" is a Christmas song.

(07-13-2024 12:05 PM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  Left-handed people should NEVER be permitted to put twisties onto the plastic bread bag, unless they have trained themselves to twist it in the direction of a normal right-handed person.

This is too important to be left to the states. Congress needs to pass a law.

I spoke to all the other left handed people and we voted to tell you kiss our collective asses.