(07-08-2024 01:05 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  there is NO doubt that trump has told more lies than any president or candidate on record. And it's not even close.

Source?

(07-08-2024 01:05 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(07-08-2024 12:58 PM)oruvoice Wrote:  After Covid and people went back to work, Biden & Tom are claiming that they created 15 million new jobs that Trump lost.

And, they have the audacity to scream "Trump Lies".

Never made that claim anywhere...THAT is a lie.

Although I am pretty sure there have been more jobs created under Biden than were created under trump, even if you take out the covid ones. I think it's like 5 million more jobs IIRC.

And the Biden administration is not being truthful when they make the claim of 15 million...they need to mention the Covid job losses. I guess I missed where you EVER claimed the trump administration was untruthful on anything.

And you can close your eyes and plug your ears all you want, but there is NO doubt that trump has told more lies than any president or candidate on record. And it's not even close.

So, you don't know the numbers, but a few posts back you state to "look at the numbers", and that they're all better than Trump's numbers. Hard stop!

(07-08-2024 01:05 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(07-08-2024 12:58 PM)oruvoice Wrote:  After Covid and people went back to work, Biden & Tom are claiming that they created 15 million new jobs that Trump lost.

And, they have the audacity to scream "Trump Lies".

Never made that claim anywhere...THAT is a lie.

Although I am pretty sure there have been more jobs created under Biden than were created under trump, even if you take out the covid ones. I think it's like 5 million more jobs IIRC.

And the Biden administration is not being truthful when they make the claim of 15 million...they need to mention the Covid job losses. I guess I missed where you EVER claimed the trump administration was untruthful on anything.

And you can close your eyes and plug your ears all you want, but there is NO doubt that trump has told more lies than any president or candidate on record. And it's not even close.

Is that because you say so or do you have something to back it up? Biden has been a liar since he's been in politics. Being a liar and a plagiarist ended his presidential bid back in the 80's and he has not gotten better.

(07-08-2024 01:33 PM)bearcat65 Wrote:  

(07-08-2024 01:05 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(07-08-2024 12:58 PM)oruvoice Wrote:  After Covid and people went back to work, Biden & Tom are claiming that they created 15 million new jobs that Trump lost.

And, they have the audacity to scream "Trump Lies".

Never made that claim anywhere...THAT is a lie.

Although I am pretty sure there have been more jobs created under Biden than were created under trump, even if you take out the covid ones. I think it's like 5 million more jobs IIRC.

And the Biden administration is not being truthful when they make the claim of 15 million...they need to mention the Covid job losses. I guess I missed where you EVER claimed the trump administration was untruthful on anything.

And you can close your eyes and plug your ears all you want, but there is NO doubt that trump has told more lies than any president or candidate on record. And it's not even close.

Is that because you say so or do you have something to back it up? Biden has been a liar since he's been in politics. Being a liar and a plagiarist ended his presidential bid back in the 80's and he has not gotten better.

People had standards back in the 80's. Today, not so much.

(07-08-2024 01:20 PM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  

(07-08-2024 01:05 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(07-08-2024 12:58 PM)oruvoice Wrote:  After Covid and people went back to work, Biden & Tom are claiming that they created 15 million new jobs that Trump lost.

And, they have the audacity to scream "Trump Lies".

Never made that claim anywhere...THAT is a lie.

Although I am pretty sure there have been more jobs created under Biden than were created under trump, even if you take out the covid ones. I think it's like 5 million more jobs IIRC.

And the Biden administration is not being truthful when they make the claim of 15 million...they need to mention the Covid job losses. I guess I missed where you EVER claimed the trump administration was untruthful on anything.

And you can close your eyes and plug your ears all you want, but there is NO doubt that trump has told more lies than any president or candidate on record. And it's not even close.

The smell of desperation is strong here.

The problem with that claim is that every passing month, these numbers seem to be adjusted downward.... at least over the last 24 or so months they have at least.

(07-08-2024 01:25 PM)b2b Wrote:  

(07-08-2024 01:05 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  there is NO doubt that trump has told more lies than any president or candidate on record. And it's not even close.

Source?

Ears.
Eyes.
Reality.

And there's scads of reporting on it should you choose to actually listen to it. Sorry, but I can't make you understand it.

I Read The ‘Project 2025’ Playbook, And I Couldn’t Find A Single White Christian Nationalist Policy

Quote:Project 2025, a suggested roadmap for a second Trump Administration pulled together by the Heritage Foundation, is a nearly 1,000-page document written by a bunch of think tankers and right-wing policy experts running the gamut of conservatism.

President Joe Biden says the document “should scare every single American.” Democrats, one strategist told the Washington Post, need to “instill fear in the American people.” Donald Trump and his surrogates are already distancing the candidate from the effort.

So, I decided to read it. Listen, it wasn’t easy. But the chances that Biden, or any other person fearmongering about it, understands what’s in it, is highly doubtful.

For starters, most of the Project 2025 “mandate” is just a compendium of long-held conservative wishes for government.

The Associated Press warns the effort champions a “dramatic expansion of presidential power.” Yet, nothing in Project 2025 is even on par with Biden’s unconstitutional loan “forgiveness” plan. The alleged presidential abuses the media lays out are well within the president’s power. They’re just policies Democrats happen to dislike.

Project 2025, we are warned, suggests the firing of as many as 50,000 federal workers — which is well within the purview of the president. It will never happen, unfortunately.

Project 2025 suggests eliminating the Department of Education and its “woke-dominated system of public schools.” Conservatives have been promising to get rid of the Department of Education since Ronald Reagan first ran for the presidency. It will never happen.

Project 2025 suggests prohibiting the FBI from “fighting misinformation and disinformation.” Great! The state shouldn’t be in the business of dictating speech. Not only do bureaucrats have no monopoly on truth; they are highly prone to abusing power. This would not have been controversial even a decade ago.

Moreover, curbing the DOJ’s efforts is limiting executive power.

Project 2025 also suggests deactivating FBI investigations that are “contrary to the national interest.” The Department of Justice — now engaged in lawfare against Democrats’ main political rivals, parents, and pro-life protesters among others — exists within the executive branch. It is always presumably acting in the national interest.

Project 2025 also proposes ending the “war on fossil fuels.” This, too, has been a mainstream GOP position since Democrats began openly promising to dismantle our energy economy. If voters don’t like it, they can vote of the party that promises “carbon pollution-free power sector by 2035.”

“Project 2025 is not a game, it’s white Christian nationalism,” the star of “The Avengers” and budding Christian theologian Mark Ruffalo warns. “It is the Sharia Law of the ‘Christian’ crazy people who aren’t Christian at all but want to control every aspect of your life through their narrow and exclusionary interpretation of Christ’s egalitarian, inclusive, and kindly teachings.”

Project 2025, you may be surprised to learn, does not feature a single mention of “Jesus” or “Christ.” It does champion long-held social conservative positions on religious freedom, abortion, marriage, and so on.

The policy guide features eight mentions of “God” in the entire document, most of those noting our “God-given individual rights to live freely.” Though this might be offensive to Politico writers or “New Right” intellectuals who’ve abandoned “liberalism,” it is one of the foundational ideas of the Constitution and Declaration of Independence.

“Christian” is mentioned seven times in the Project 2025 mandate. One, a warning about the left’s threats to tax-exemptions on churches and religious schools. Another mention suggests doing more to protect minority “Middle Eastern Christians” in foreign policy.

Another reference reminds us about the COVID-era authoritarians who shut down “churches on the holiest day of the Christian calendar.”

Faith is also touched on in a section about attacks on religious freedom that “compel a Christian website designer to imagine, create, and publish a custom website celebrating same-sex marriage but cannot compel an LGBT person to design a similar website celebrating opposite-sex marriage.” There is nothing extreme about that statement.

Now, obviously there are numerous other nods to socially conservative policy that comports largely with orthodox Christian positions. Not everyone in the right-center coalition might agree. Especially on abortion; positions that Trump does not even embrace. Though, some, including “vigorously complying with statutory bans on the federal funding of abortion,” are popular with Americans.

You’re free to agree or disagree with the suggestions, but there is nothing weird or unique or new about faith informing politics. Moreover, none of these policies undermine the rights of other citizens.

And though I strongly disagree with plenty of the economic and trade ideas found in Project 2025, that’s not what the left is taking issue with, of course. They’re feigning horror at decades-old social conservative positions and warning us about authoritarian policies that aren’t actually found anywhere in Project 2025.

(07-08-2024 01:32 PM)oruvoice Wrote:  

(07-08-2024 01:05 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(07-08-2024 12:58 PM)oruvoice Wrote:  After Covid and people went back to work, Biden & Tom are claiming that they created 15 million new jobs that Trump lost.

And, they have the audacity to scream "Trump Lies".

Never made that claim anywhere...THAT is a lie.

Although I am pretty sure there have been more jobs created under Biden than were created under trump, even if you take out the covid ones. I think it's like 5 million more jobs IIRC.

And the Biden administration is not being truthful when they make the claim of 15 million...they need to mention the Covid job losses. I guess I missed where you EVER claimed the trump administration was untruthful on anything.

And you can close your eyes and plug your ears all you want, but there is NO doubt that trump has told more lies than any president or candidate on record. And it's not even close.

So, you don't know the numbers, but a few posts back you state to "look at the numbers", and that they're all better than Trump's numbers. Hard stop!

I said the economy, dude. Jobs numbers alone...which again Biden added like 5 million more than trump even with Covid factored it...is not the economy.

I can only explain this to you, I can't make you understand it.

(07-08-2024 02:25 PM)CrimsonPhantom Wrote:  I Read The ‘Project 2025’ Playbook, And I Couldn’t Find A Single White Christian Nationalist Policy

Quote:Project 2025, a suggested roadmap for a second Trump Administration pulled together by the Heritage Foundation, is a nearly 1,000-page document written by a bunch of think tankers and right-wing policy experts running the gamut of conservatism.

President Joe Biden says the document “should scare every single American.” Democrats, one strategist told the Washington Post, need to “instill fear in the American people.” Donald Trump and his surrogates are already distancing the candidate from the effort.

So, I decided to read it. Listen, it wasn’t easy. But the chances that Biden, or any other person fearmongering about it, understands what’s in it, is highly doubtful.

For starters, most of the Project 2025 “mandate” is just a compendium of long-held conservative wishes for government.

The Associated Press warns the effort champions a “dramatic expansion of presidential power.” Yet, nothing in Project 2025 is even on par with Biden’s unconstitutional loan “forgiveness” plan. The alleged presidential abuses the media lays out are well within the president’s power. They’re just policies Democrats happen to dislike.

Project 2025, we are warned, suggests the firing of as many as 50,000 federal workers — which is well within the purview of the president. It will never happen, unfortunately.

Project 2025 suggests eliminating the Department of Education and its “woke-dominated system of public schools.” Conservatives have been promising to get rid of the Department of Education since Ronald Reagan first ran for the presidency. It will never happen.

Project 2025 suggests prohibiting the FBI from “fighting misinformation and disinformation.” Great! The state shouldn’t be in the business of dictating speech. Not only do bureaucrats have no monopoly on truth; they are highly prone to abusing power. This would not have been controversial even a decade ago.

Moreover, curbing the DOJ’s efforts is limiting executive power.

Project 2025 also suggests deactivating FBI investigations that are “contrary to the national interest.” The Department of Justice — now engaged in lawfare against Democrats’ main political rivals, parents, and pro-life protesters among others — exists within the executive branch. It is always presumably acting in the national interest.

Project 2025 also proposes ending the “war on fossil fuels.” This, too, has been a mainstream GOP position since Democrats began openly promising to dismantle our energy economy. If voters don’t like it, they can vote of the party that promises “carbon pollution-free power sector by 2035.”

“Project 2025 is not a game, it’s white Christian nationalism,” the star of “The Avengers” and budding Christian theologian Mark Ruffalo warns. “It is the Sharia Law of the ‘Christian’ crazy people who aren’t Christian at all but want to control every aspect of your life through their narrow and exclusionary interpretation of Christ’s egalitarian, inclusive, and kindly teachings.”

Project 2025, you may be surprised to learn, does not feature a single mention of “Jesus” or “Christ.” It does champion long-held social conservative positions on religious freedom, abortion, marriage, and so on.

The policy guide features eight mentions of “God” in the entire document, most of those noting our “God-given individual rights to live freely.” Though this might be offensive to Politico writers or “New Right” intellectuals who’ve abandoned “liberalism,” it is one of the foundational ideas of the Constitution and Declaration of Independence.

“Christian” is mentioned seven times in the Project 2025 mandate. One, a warning about the left’s threats to tax-exemptions on churches and religious schools. Another mention suggests doing more to protect minority “Middle Eastern Christians” in foreign policy.

Another reference reminds us about the COVID-era authoritarians who shut down “churches on the holiest day of the Christian calendar.”

Faith is also touched on in a section about attacks on religious freedom that “compel a Christian website designer to imagine, create, and publish a custom website celebrating same-sex marriage but cannot compel an LGBT person to design a similar website celebrating opposite-sex marriage.” There is nothing extreme about that statement.

Now, obviously there are numerous other nods to socially conservative policy that comports largely with orthodox Christian positions. Not everyone in the right-center coalition might agree. Especially on abortion; positions that Trump does not even embrace. Though, some, including “vigorously complying with statutory bans on the federal funding of abortion,” are popular with Americans.

You’re free to agree or disagree with the suggestions, but there is nothing weird or unique or new about faith informing politics. Moreover, none of these policies undermine the rights of other citizens.

And though I strongly disagree with plenty of the economic and trade ideas found in Project 2025, that’s not what the left is taking issue with, of course. They’re feigning horror at decades-old social conservative positions and warning us about authoritarian policies that aren’t actually found anywhere in Project 2025.

Per the Federalist Society.

(07-08-2024 02:25 PM)CrimsonPhantom Wrote:  I Read The ‘Project 2025’ Playbook, And I Couldn’t Find A Single White Christian Nationalist Policy

Quote:Project 2025, a suggested roadmap for a second Trump Administration pulled together by the Heritage Foundation, is a nearly 1,000-page document written by a bunch of think tankers and right-wing policy experts running the gamut of conservatism.

President Joe Biden says the document “should scare every single American.” Democrats, one strategist told the Washington Post, need to “instill fear in the American people.” Donald Trump and his surrogates are already distancing the candidate from the effort.

So, I decided to read it. Listen, it wasn’t easy. But the chances that Biden, or any other person fearmongering about it, understands what’s in it, is highly doubtful.

For starters, most of the Project 2025 “mandate” is just a compendium of long-held conservative wishes for government.

The Associated Press warns the effort champions a “dramatic expansion of presidential power.” Yet, nothing in Project 2025 is even on par with Biden’s unconstitutional loan “forgiveness” plan. The alleged presidential abuses the media lays out are well within the president’s power. They’re just policies Democrats happen to dislike.

Project 2025, we are warned, suggests the firing of as many as 50,000 federal workers — which is well within the purview of the president. It will never happen, unfortunately.

Project 2025 suggests eliminating the Department of Education and its “woke-dominated system of public schools.” Conservatives have been promising to get rid of the Department of Education since Ronald Reagan first ran for the presidency. It will never happen.

Project 2025 suggests prohibiting the FBI from “fighting misinformation and disinformation.” Great! The state shouldn’t be in the business of dictating speech. Not only do bureaucrats have no monopoly on truth; they are highly prone to abusing power. This would not have been controversial even a decade ago.

Moreover, curbing the DOJ’s efforts is limiting executive power.

Project 2025 also suggests deactivating FBI investigations that are “contrary to the national interest.” The Department of Justice — now engaged in lawfare against Democrats’ main political rivals, parents, and pro-life protesters among others — exists within the executive branch. It is always presumably acting in the national interest.

Project 2025 also proposes ending the “war on fossil fuels.” This, too, has been a mainstream GOP position since Democrats began openly promising to dismantle our energy economy. If voters don’t like it, they can vote of the party that promises “carbon pollution-free power sector by 2035.”

“Project 2025 is not a game, it’s white Christian nationalism,” the star of “The Avengers” and budding Christian theologian Mark Ruffalo warns. “It is the Sharia Law of the ‘Christian’ crazy people who aren’t Christian at all but want to control every aspect of your life through their narrow and exclusionary interpretation of Christ’s egalitarian, inclusive, and kindly teachings.”

Project 2025, you may be surprised to learn, does not feature a single mention of “Jesus” or “Christ.” It does champion long-held social conservative positions on religious freedom, abortion, marriage, and so on.

The policy guide features eight mentions of “God” in the entire document, most of those noting our “God-given individual rights to live freely.” Though this might be offensive to Politico writers or “New Right” intellectuals who’ve abandoned “liberalism,” it is one of the foundational ideas of the Constitution and Declaration of Independence.

“Christian” is mentioned seven times in the Project 2025 mandate. One, a warning about the left’s threats to tax-exemptions on churches and religious schools. Another mention suggests doing more to protect minority “Middle Eastern Christians” in foreign policy.

Another reference reminds us about the COVID-era authoritarians who shut down “churches on the holiest day of the Christian calendar.”

Faith is also touched on in a section about attacks on religious freedom that “compel a Christian website designer to imagine, create, and publish a custom website celebrating same-sex marriage but cannot compel an LGBT person to design a similar website celebrating opposite-sex marriage.” There is nothing extreme about that statement.

Now, obviously there are numerous other nods to socially conservative policy that comports largely with orthodox Christian positions. Not everyone in the right-center coalition might agree. Especially on abortion; positions that Trump does not even embrace. Though, some, including “vigorously complying with statutory bans on the federal funding of abortion,” are popular with Americans.

You’re free to agree or disagree with the suggestions, but there is nothing weird or unique or new about faith informing politics. Moreover, none of these policies undermine the rights of other citizens.

And though I strongly disagree with plenty of the economic and trade ideas found in Project 2025, that’s not what the left is taking issue with, of course. They’re feigning horror at decades-old social conservative positions and warning us about authoritarian policies that aren’t actually found anywhere in Project 2025.

Don't tell that to our resident leftists.

(07-08-2024 02:26 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(07-08-2024 01:32 PM)oruvoice Wrote:  

(07-08-2024 01:05 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(07-08-2024 12:58 PM)oruvoice Wrote:  After Covid and people went back to work, Biden & Tom are claiming that they created 15 million new jobs that Trump lost.

And, they have the audacity to scream "Trump Lies".

Never made that claim anywhere...THAT is a lie.

Although I am pretty sure there have been more jobs created under Biden than were created under trump, even if you take out the covid ones. I think it's like 5 million more jobs IIRC.

And the Biden administration is not being truthful when they make the claim of 15 million...they need to mention the Covid job losses. I guess I missed where you EVER claimed the trump administration was untruthful on anything.

And you can close your eyes and plug your ears all you want, but there is NO doubt that trump has told more lies than any president or candidate on record. And it's not even close.

So, you don't know the numbers, but a few posts back you state to "look at the numbers", and that they're all better than Trump's numbers. Hard stop!

I said the economy, dude. Jobs numbers alone...which again Biden added like 5 million more than trump even with Covid factored it...is not the economy.

I can only explain this to you, I can't make you understand it.

Yes. The economy bounced back (mostly) after Covid. You are once again being false, intentionally, while trying to act like a non-partisan.

And, you are fake mad because Trump lies.

(07-05-2024 07:14 AM)VA49er Wrote:  

(07-04-2024 09:22 AM)DaSaintFan Wrote:  I keep hearing about this.. but so far, i haven't seen the actual proposal anywhere, just what media people "think" about the proposal? Anyone have the actual link to the document/project itself?

It's a scare tactic being passed around the internet.

That's what i figured.. i've seen all the image and memes (none of which looked alike) saying what was going to be done, but I couldnt' find this "project" anywhere.

(07-08-2024 02:28 PM)oruvoice Wrote:  

(07-08-2024 02:26 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(07-08-2024 01:32 PM)oruvoice Wrote:  

(07-08-2024 01:05 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(07-08-2024 12:58 PM)oruvoice Wrote:  After Covid and people went back to work, Biden & Tom are claiming that they created 15 million new jobs that Trump lost.

And, they have the audacity to scream "Trump Lies".

Never made that claim anywhere...THAT is a lie.

Although I am pretty sure there have been more jobs created under Biden than were created under trump, even if you take out the covid ones. I think it's like 5 million more jobs IIRC.

And the Biden administration is not being truthful when they make the claim of 15 million...they need to mention the Covid job losses. I guess I missed where you EVER claimed the trump administration was untruthful on anything.

And you can close your eyes and plug your ears all you want, but there is NO doubt that trump has told more lies than any president or candidate on record. And it's not even close.

So, you don't know the numbers, but a few posts back you state to "look at the numbers", and that they're all better than Trump's numbers. Hard stop!

I said the economy, dude. Jobs numbers alone...which again Biden added like 5 million more than trump even with Covid factored it...is not the economy.

I can only explain this to you, I can't make you understand it.

Yes. The economy bounced back (mostly) after Covid. You are once again being false, intentionally, while trying to act like a non-partisan.

And, you are fake mad because Trump lies.

Where, explain. Where did I ever say Biden is responsible solely for 15 million new jobs?

Where did I ever say or imply that alone was the metric for the economy?

And no, I'm not a non-partisan. I am a liberal. Unlike you, however, I live in reality.

Honestly I hope it's a lot worse for the left than they're making it out to be.

(07-08-2024 02:24 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(07-08-2024 01:25 PM)b2b Wrote:  

(07-08-2024 01:05 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  there is NO doubt that trump has told more lies than any president or candidate on record. And it's not even close.

Source?

Ears.
Eyes.
Reality.

And there's scads of reporting on it should you choose to actually listen to it. Sorry, but I can't make you understand it.

In other words your opinion and not fact.

(07-08-2024 03:31 PM)bearcat65 Wrote:  

(07-08-2024 02:24 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(07-08-2024 01:25 PM)b2b Wrote:  

(07-08-2024 01:05 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  there is NO doubt that trump has told more lies than any president or candidate on record. And it's not even close.

Source?

Ears.
Eyes.
Reality.

And there's scads of reporting on it should you choose to actually listen to it. Sorry, but I can't make you understand it.

In other words your opinion and not fact.

Trust me bro.. I heard it off a ticky tack I found on Tweeter.

Of course this guy is totally lying and trump doesn't know him at all.

(07-09-2024 06:06 PM)CrimsonPhantom Wrote:  

break up the web search monopoly instead.