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RE: Project 2025
(07-02-2024 11:13 AM)mlb Wrote:  
(07-02-2024 10:48 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  
(07-02-2024 09:51 AM)mlb Wrote:  Shrinking the size of government and cutting the wasteful spending should be the first step. We've got to get the deficit under control ASAP.

Including the spending, you agree with? Just so we are clear....

$36,000 for 1
$72,000 for 2
$108,000 for 3
$144,000 for 4
$180,000 for 5 children you will get just because you have them and made under $400,000 and will cost 2.8 trillion till one child reaches age 18

How about the spending to help you pay for child care for the first 13 years of your children's life you want that cutout also? I believe in total, including the EIC and child care its 4.7 trillion if added up till a child reaches 18. So by the time a child reaches his tax paying years they had 4.7 trillion added that they must help pay back because their parent took a handout from the government

Or do you just want spending that you think should be cutout?

You love to bring this crap up...

1. I didn't pass those tax cuts, nor did I advocate for them.

2. I'd be an idiot to not take the tax breaks that our government passed. On a side note, I didn't advocate for it and I never used any government subsidies for child care. I paid it with my own cash at a private preschool that didn't get money from the government.

3. If billionaires and large corporations can use every tax write off and loophole known to man to make their tax at or almost at zero then I'll use the few I can use. That doesn't make me "bad" like you seem to want it to do.

Now, if you go back to what I said in what you quoted, I said wasteful spending. By all means, close all the loopholes too. No more writeoffs for business expenses. No more depreciation of assets. No more child tax credits (although if you want to really make the demographic issue worse do this, as we currently have 1.6 kids per woman and 2.1 is needed just to maintain the population, hence why they gave the credit).

I'd suggest we get rid of the income tax all together and go to the fair tax with the prebate for expected taxes paid by someone up to the poverty line.

Should have been done long ago...
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RE: Project 2025
(07-04-2024 07:24 PM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  
(07-02-2024 09:54 AM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  
(07-02-2024 09:51 AM)mlb Wrote:  Shrinking the size of government and cutting the wasteful spending should be the first step. We've got to get the deficit under control ASAP.

Ain't happening.

That's a runaway train...

I mean, mlb is right of course, for whatever that’s worth.
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RE: Project 2025
(07-04-2024 07:29 PM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  
(07-04-2024 07:24 PM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  
(07-02-2024 09:54 AM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  
(07-02-2024 09:51 AM)mlb Wrote:  Shrinking the size of government and cutting the wasteful spending should be the first step. We've got to get the deficit under control ASAP.

Ain't happening.

That's a runaway train...

I mean, mlb is right of course, for whatever that’s worth.

Yeah, he is. Not sure how you stop an avalanche though.
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RE: Project 2025
Regarding The Fair Tax, there's a lot of confusion about it for those who've never researched it. There are a lot of misconceptions for those who have looked into it and discarded it as a workable solution.

Here's a link to the site.

https://www.fairtax.org/about/how-fairtax-works
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(07-04-2024 09:22 AM)DaSaintFan Wrote:  I keep hearing about this.. but so far, i haven't seen the actual proposal anywhere, just what media people "think" about the proposal? Anyone have the actual link to the document/project itself?

It's a scare tactic being passed around the internet.
07-05-2024 07:14 AM
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RE: Project 2025
Per Trump today on Truth Social...

"I know nothing about Project 2025. I have no idea who is behind it. I disagree with some of the things they're saying and some of the things they're saying are absolutely ridiculous and abysmal. Anything they do, I wish them luck, but I have nothing to do with them."
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(07-05-2024 11:25 AM)BigTigerMike Wrote:  

Probably right. The pervs at the Lincoln Project are getting desperate.
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(07-05-2024 12:05 PM)andybible1995 Wrote:  
(07-05-2024 11:25 AM)BigTigerMike Wrote:  

Probably right. The pervs at the Lincoln Project are getting desperate.

It's been a Dem scare tactic from day one. As usual, their followers believe it because they aren't the brightest.
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RE: Project 2025
(07-05-2024 12:24 PM)VA49er Wrote:  
(07-05-2024 12:05 PM)andybible1995 Wrote:  
(07-05-2024 11:25 AM)BigTigerMike Wrote:  

Probably right. The pervs at the Lincoln Project are getting desperate.

It's been a Dem scare tactic from day one. As usual, their followers believe it because they aren't the brightest.

Not only that, but they're evil, too.
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(07-02-2024 09:30 AM)fsquid Wrote:  Project 2025 is a thing but unsure if Trump would implement it.

Psyops are things


Not sure what retards would believe it....yeah i am sure.
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RE: Project 2025
(07-04-2024 07:24 PM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  
(07-02-2024 09:54 AM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  
(07-02-2024 09:51 AM)mlb Wrote:  Shrinking the size of government and cutting the wasteful spending should be the first step. We've got to get the deficit under control ASAP.

Ain't happening.

That's a runaway train...

Another lie theyve told my whole life that peoole only care about when a gop candidate is in the lead

Its cliche
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RE: Project 2025
I think republicans need to do something like Project 2025, but I'm not at all certain that Project 2025 is the right something, I think democrats are already doing something similsar, but undercover.
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(07-05-2024 04:28 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  I think republicans need to do something like Project 2025, but I'm not at all certain that Project 2025 is the right something, I think democrats are already doing something similsar, but undercover.

That's a good point. There's a concerted effort behind the curtain driving these immigration and identity politics that just doesn't have a web page.
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(07-05-2024 04:28 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  I think republicans need to do something like Project 2025, but I'm not at all certain that Project 2025 is the right something, I think democrats are already doing something similsar, but undercover.

It was called the Unity Platform Back in 2020.

Democratic Task Forces Deliver Biden A Blueprint For A Progressive Presidency


Biden, Sanders Release Progressive Unity Platform for Democratic Party


https://joebiden.com/wp-content/uploads/...ATIONS.pdf

This starts at page 102 (There's a longer summary on page 38-41):

Quote:IMMIGRATION UNITY TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATIONS

Out of many, we are one. That bedrock American idea has animated our country from its earliestdays, inspiring people from every corner of the earth to participate in our great democraticexperiment. The Trump Administration has repudiated that idea and abandoned our values as adiverse, compassionate, and welcoming country. Instead of pursuing a sensible, humane, and responsible approach to immigration that strengthens the United States, the Trump Administration has been callous, cruel, and reckless in the extreme. President Trump’s immigration policies have made our communities less safe, undermined our economy, and tarnished our image around the world.

This Administration’s cruelty and dehumanization of immigrants stretches the imagination and shocks the conscience: forcibly separating families and putting children in cages; deporting veterans who have fought to defend our freedoms; conducting militarized raids on our workplaces; endangering lives by denying COVID-19 testing and treatment based on immigration status, including to essential workers at the forefront of the pandemic response; banning people from traveling to the United States based on their faith or their country of origin;and turning away refugees and asylum seekers fleeing violence and persecution.

President Trump has used immigration to divide Americans, not to unite us as one. He has calledMexican immigrants rapists, murderers, and drug dealers; said our Black immigrant communitiescome from “shithole countries,” enacted immigration and travel bans targeting Muslims andArabs, and tried to dismantle family-based visas which disproportionately impact Asian Americans and Pacific Islanders.

Democrats believe America can do better. Indeed, we must. We will work with Congress to reform our immigration system to provide a roadmap to citizenship for the 11 million undocumented, prioritize family unity, provide a fair and just system that helps grow and enhance our economy, safeguard our security, and restore our cherished values. And we will renew disciplined American leadership to help mitigate and address the root causes of migrationaround the world, from Southeast Asia to Sub-Saharan Africa to Central America.

Rep. Lucille Roybal-Allard, Co-chair
Marielena Hincapié, Co-chair
Cristóbal Alex
Rep. Veronica Escobar
Marisa Franco
Juan Gonzalez
NV Lt. Gov. Kate Marshall
Javier Valdés

Undoing the Harms of the Trump Administration and Righting the Wrongs

Undoing The Harms of the Trump Administration:

● Maintain Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA), and support the American
Dream and Promise Act; streamline applications for deferred action or humanitarian relief and expand accessibility to this discretionary relief, including expanding the
eligibility guidelines and narrowing the disqualification guidelines.

● Immediately terminate the Trump Administration's discriminatory travel and immigration
bans that have had disproportionate impact on Muslim and African people, and invite
visa re-application for individuals from these countries.

● Take urgent action to undo the Trump Administration’s unilateral executive orders on immigration, including abuses implemented during the pandemic. Uphold our
commitment to offer refuge to asylum seekers, consistent with public health practices
during the pandemic.

● Enact a 100-day moratorium on deportations of people already in the United States while conducting a full-scale study on current practices to develop recommendations for transforming enforcement policies and practices at ICE and CBP.

● Direct DHS’s Office for Civil Rights and Civil Liberties to undertake a review of the
Trump Administration’s immigration policies and provide recommendations for redress. Direct the Inspectors General (OIG) to conduct an investigation into immigration enforcement spending, detention determinations, detention conditions and practices, including whether there are policies that discriminate against black and brown immigrants and other instances of racial, ethnic, religious, and LGBTQ+ bias.

● Immediately halt enforcement of and rescind the Trump administration’s new public
charge regulations, which have racial underpinnings and undermine critical access to
public benefits and resources. Eliminate the Trump Administration’s expansion of the
public charge regulations applicable to both DHS and DOS (and other related agency
rules), and work with Congress to ensure that antiquated immigration laws are not used to discriminate against immigrants based on their wealth, race, country of origin, language abilities, or disability status. Work with Congress and through executive action to ensure that the public charge determination is not used to deter access to essential public benefits, healthcare services and other key resources.

● End the Trump Administration’s ‘Zero Tolerance’ policy by rescinding the Department of Justice (DOJ) memoranda and prioritize the criminal prosecution of human traffickers, smugglers, and others engaged in serious crimes. Ensure respect for the facts and circumstances of individual cases and end indiscriminate prosecutions, including of asylum seekers. End mass prosecutions of individuals who cross the border without regard to the facts and circumstances of their cases, through practices like Operation
Streamline, that deny individuals their right to a fair hearing and due process.

● Re-establish asylum procedures at the border, reversing nearly a dozen Trump policies that have effectively closed the U.S. asylum system, including:

○ End the Migrant Protection Protocols (MPP) also known as “Remain in Mexico”
and other policies that effectively deny protection and due process to asylum
seekers.
○ Establish a humane, expeditious process to enable migrants who have been
returned to Mexico to make asylum claims.
○ End the Asylum Cooperative Agreements the U.S. has signed with Honduras, El
Salvador, and Guatemala.

○ Establish an effective and fair process for asylum, end prosecution of asylum
seekers at the border, and ensure inappropriate convictions under the Trump
Administration do not create a barrier for asylum seekers.

● Roll back “performance” quotas for immigration judges.

● End the abuse and politicization of the denaturalization process, by eliminating offices created by the Trump Administration to denaturalize citizens and make sure this extraordinary power is used only in the most egregious cases.

● End the “National Emergency” designation that redirects congressionally appropriated funds for the Department of Defense to build a wall along the southern border.

The PDF: https://joebiden.com/wp-content/uploads/...ATIONS.pdf

Also has recommendations for health, education, economy, criminal justice and climate.
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RE: Project 2025
(07-05-2024 05:21 PM)HCJag Wrote:  
(07-05-2024 04:28 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  I think republicans need to do something like Project 2025, but I'm not at all certain that Project 2025 is the right something, I think democrats are already doing something similsar, but undercover.

That's a good point. There's a concerted effort behind the curtain driving these immigration and identity politics that just doesn't have a web page.


Ad its not just in the United States. This is happening in similar fashion all across western and central Europe and the media there drives the narrative and calls anyone who questions it racist and xenophobic the same way our corrupt media does here. Look at what is happening in France, look at what is happening in Great Britain, look at what is happening in Germany.

They are playing the same corrupt game of identity politics and mass immigration all across the west.
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RE: Project 2025
I know nothing about it, but I disagree with it?

I know nothing about it, even though my proposals contain many of the same proposals?

I know nothing about it, but several of my advisors play large roles in it?

I know nothing about it, but several of my PACS are involved in the funding of it?

I know nothing about it, but the Heritage Foundation which picks all my judges is one of its biggest proponents?

SUMMATION: trump is lying. Again.
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RE: Project 2025
(07-08-2024 08:25 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  I know nothing about it, but I disagree with it?

I know nothing about it, even though my proposals contain many of the same proposals?

I know nothing about it, but several of my advisors play large roles in it?

I know nothing about it, but several of my PACS are involved in the funding of it?

I know nothing about it, but the Heritage Foundation which picks all my judges is one of its biggest proponents?

SUMMATION: trump is lying. Again.

He took away a Dem play card. Of course the D's are going to accuse him of lying.
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(07-08-2024 08:25 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  I know nothing about it, but I disagree with it?

I know nothing about it, even though my proposals contain many of the same proposals?

I know nothing about it, but several of my advisors play large roles in it?

I know nothing about it, but several of my PACS are involved in the funding of it?

I know nothing about it, but the Heritage Foundation which picks all my judges is one of its biggest proponents?

SUMMATION: trump is lying. Again.

So what is "it"?



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