(04-22-2024 10:08 AM)emu steve Wrote:  

(04-22-2024 10:00 AM)dansplaining Wrote:  

(04-22-2024 07:50 AM)emussuperfan Wrote:  

(04-22-2024 07:19 AM)dansplaining Wrote:  

(04-19-2024 05:48 PM)emussuperfan Wrote:  The state of Virginia just passed a law allowing colleges to pay NIL money! On top of the scholarship the college is already paying them. Outrageous!

if UVA or any other school in Virginia puts its athletes in their promotional materials they should be compensated.

If I appeared on a billboard I would want a piece of the pie.

I'm not against NIL money. It's the scholarship the athletes get. If they get NIL money from the college then the shouldn't get a scholarship on top of that. They are already getting paid to play sports for the school with the scholarship. Why are they getting paid twice for doing the same job? I can't.!

If I'm on scholarship and the bookstore pays me to stock shelves is that not the same thing?

No.

Elaborate. In both cases a student gets a scholarship for something (athletics or academics) and is getting income from the school for another service provided (looking good on billboards or shelvin books).

(04-22-2024 10:13 AM)dansplaining Wrote:  

(04-22-2024 10:08 AM)emu steve Wrote:  

(04-22-2024 10:00 AM)dansplaining Wrote:  

(04-22-2024 07:50 AM)emussuperfan Wrote:  

(04-22-2024 07:19 AM)dansplaining Wrote:  if UVA or any other school in Virginia puts its athletes in their promotional materials they should be compensated.

If I appeared on a billboard I would want a piece of the pie.

I'm not against NIL money. It's the scholarship the athletes get. If they get NIL money from the college then the shouldn't get a scholarship on top of that. They are already getting paid to play sports for the school with the scholarship. Why are they getting paid twice for doing the same job? I can't.!

If I'm on scholarship and the bookstore pays me to stock shelves is that not the same thing?

No.

Elaborate. In both cases a student gets a scholarship for something (athletics or academics) and is getting income from the school for another service provided (looking good on billboards or shelvin books).

Splaining, No one is going to come to an EMU basketball or football game because any one of our players are posted on a billboard or any other advertisement. Rather, they are coming because they are supporters of EMU. The players are getting full scholarships, an opportunity to play D1 sports, facilities to train in, coaches and trainers to development themselves, and other fringe benefits. If you think they deserve more from the universities benefactors (ie, the students, the tax payers, and the sports fans associated with EMU), you are way out of line.

If you are speaking more generally about big time college athletics, then maybe you should state that and perhaps even go on their forums to proselytize the cause over there.

I think Superfan is referring to EMU specifically when he makes his arguments. Maybe he should state that too. If we talking specifically about EMU, then I am siding with Super.

EDIT: I got confused about who is saying what. Rereading the thread, I reallize Super is not speaking about EMU specifically but Virginia in general. Anyway, most of my point still stands.

(04-22-2024 11:10 AM)RamyEMU Wrote:  

(04-22-2024 10:13 AM)dansplaining Wrote:  

(04-22-2024 10:08 AM)emu steve Wrote:  

(04-22-2024 10:00 AM)dansplaining Wrote:  

(04-22-2024 07:50 AM)emussuperfan Wrote:  I'm not against NIL money. It's the scholarship the athletes get. If they get NIL money from the college then the shouldn't get a scholarship on top of that. They are already getting paid to play sports for the school with the scholarship. Why are they getting paid twice for doing the same job? I can't.!

If I'm on scholarship and the bookstore pays me to stock shelves is that not the same thing?

No.

Elaborate. In both cases a student gets a scholarship for something (athletics or academics) and is getting income from the school for another service provided (looking good on billboards or shelvin books).

Splaining, No one is going to come to an EMU basketball or football game because any one of our players are posted on a billboard or any other advertisement. Rather, they are coming because they are supporters of EMU. The players are getting full scholarships, an opportunity to play D1 sports, facilities to train in, coaches and trainers to development themselves, and other fringe benefits. If you think they deserve more from the universities benefactors (ie, the students, the tax payers, and the sports fans associated with EMU), you are way out of line.

If you are speaking more generally about big time college athletics, then maybe you should state that and perhaps even go on their forums to proselytize the cause over there.

I think Superfan is referring to EMU specifically when he makes his arguments. Maybe he should state that too. If we talking specifically about EMU, then I am siding with Super.

EDIT: I got confused about who is saying what. Rereading the thread, I reallize Super is not speaking about EMU specifically but Virginia in general. Anyway, most of my point still stands.

I think a person's image has value or else people wouldn't put them on posters or billboards or advertising. If the school wants to use a person's image in their promotional materials then they should compensate that person - athlete or not. If it didn't have value then they wouldn't do it.

EMU pays students to make the graphics you see at the student center. They're students being paid to perform a service that the school decides has value. Athletes are no different.

In other news heres how NIL affects the draft:
https://theathletic.com/5420476/2024/04/...ey-impact/

'Only 58 underclassmen have declared for this week’s draft — down from 130 players in 2021 and the smallest number of underclassmen since 2011. For those in NFL circles, the introduction of NIL money is a clear factor.

“It’s crazy to fathom that some of these guys made more money in college than they will in the NFL,” Green Bay Packers coach Matt LaFleur said.'

(04-22-2024 12:31 PM)dansplaining Wrote:  In other news heres how NIL affects the draft:
https://theathletic.com/5420476/2024/04/...ey-impact/

'Only 58 underclassmen have declared for this week’s draft — down from 130 players in 2021 and the smallest number of underclassmen since 2011. For those in NFL circles, the introduction of NIL money is a clear factor.

“It’s crazy to fathom that some of these guys made more money in college than they will in the NFL,” Green Bay Packers coach Matt LaFleur said.'

This is only tangentially related to EMU but DAMN important to NFL teams trying to figure out their strategies toward retaining, trading, etc. draft choices. Or going for the free agency signees. And so on.

How deep is the NFL 2024 draft class at the top? How about the 2025 draft class?

Does it make sense to trade a 2024 or 2025 1st rounder? Which one?

Are the classes going to get deeper as more and more players stay for their senior year?

(04-22-2024 12:41 PM)emu steve Wrote:  

(04-22-2024 12:31 PM)dansplaining Wrote:  In other news heres how NIL affects the draft:
https://theathletic.com/5420476/2024/04/...ey-impact/

'Only 58 underclassmen have declared for this week’s draft — down from 130 players in 2021 and the smallest number of underclassmen since 2011. For those in NFL circles, the introduction of NIL money is a clear factor.

“It’s crazy to fathom that some of these guys made more money in college than they will in the NFL,” Green Bay Packers coach Matt LaFleur said.'

This is only tangentially related to EMU but DAMN important to NFL teams trying to figure out their strategies toward retaining, trading, etc. draft choices. Or going for the free agency signees. And so on.

How deep is the NFL 2024 draft class at the top? How about the 2025 draft class?

Does it make sense to trade a 2024 or 2025 1st rounder? Which one?

Are the classes going to get deeper as more and more players stay for their senior year?

Later in the article:

'And that’s where there appears to be a huge drop-off in player quality in this year’s draft.

“Clubs are saying that this is a really good draft through 150 picks, and then after that it falls off a cliff,” agent Steve Caric said.

New York Giants general manager Joe Schoen said Thursday that, according to the team’s assistant director of player personnel, Dennis Hickey, 170 players with draftable grades returned to school this year.'

(04-22-2024 11:58 AM)dansplaining Wrote:  I think a person's image has value or else people wouldn't put them on posters or billboards or advertising. If the school wants to use a person's image in their promotional materials then they should compensate that person - athlete or not. If it didn't have value then they wouldn't do it.

EMU pays students to make the graphics you see at the student center. They're students being paid to perform a service that the school decides has value. Athletes are no different.

Images are of value, which is why they do it. But you can put anyone in an EMU uniform and throw it up there which will be just as effective of an eye catcher. So no need compensate a specific person/player. Conversely, it is providing free publicity to the player while charging students/taxpayers for the resources to make such adds. (Maybe different if at UM or MSU and you got JJ McArthy or such up there).

Do the “slice of life” photos of students that make the various brochures and such get paid an NIL? (I actually don’t know, but assuming no). Athletes are no different.

When televised games show audience members in the stands cheering on their team, do they sign an NIL deals with those fans? Do these fans get a share of the TV rights deal? Athletes are no different.

We obviously see this topic very differently.

(04-22-2024 12:31 PM)dansplaining Wrote:  In other news heres how NIL affects the draft:
https://theathletic.com/5420476/2024/04/...ey-impact/

'Only 58 underclassmen have declared for this week’s draft — down from 130 players in 2021 and the smallest number of underclassmen since 2011. For those in NFL circles, the introduction of NIL money is a clear factor.

“It’s crazy to fathom that some of these guys made more money in college than they will in the NFL,” Green Bay Packers coach Matt LaFleur said.'

Yay!!! There are 72 players that will play in college football an ADDITIONAL year!!!!! Thank god for NIL!!!!! College football would be completely unbearable to watch next year without those 72 players… I apologize for the sarcasm, Splaining. Just seemed the best way to illustrate my counterpoint. I always love/value your posts on other topics. And even on the transfer/NIL topic you have previously opened my eyes to some alternate perspectives. I just think you have taken this cause way too far and to such an extent that it stops making sense again- at least for me.

I will leave it at that. I won’t counter any further of your posts on the topic. I will leave it at a respectful (and hereby silent) disagreement.

(04-22-2024 01:21 PM)RamyEMU Wrote:  

(04-22-2024 11:58 AM)dansplaining Wrote:  I think a person's image has value or else people wouldn't put them on posters or billboards or advertising. If the school wants to use a person's image in their promotional materials then they should compensate that person - athlete or not. If it didn't have value then they wouldn't do it.

EMU pays students to make the graphics you see at the student center. They're students being paid to perform a service that the school decides has value. Athletes are no different.

Images are of value, which is why they do it. But you can put anyone in an EMU uniform and throw it up there which will be just as effective of an eye catcher. So no need compensate a specific person/player. Conversely, it is providing free publicity to the player while charging students/taxpayers for the resources to make such adds. (Maybe different if at UM or MSU and you got JJ McArthy or such up there).

Do the “slice of life” photos of students that make the various brochures and such get paid an NIL? (I actually don’t know, but assuming no). Athletes are no different.

When televised games show audience members in the stands cheering on their team, do they sign an NIL deals with those fans? Do these fans get a share of the TV rights deal? Athletes are no different.

We obviously see this topic very differently.

I agree with your thoughts.

The only way NIL should be in play is for direct advertising. "I.'m J.J. McCarthy and I can throw a ball 65 yards thanks to XYZ's protein bars which I eat every day at the nutrition table."

Not because his face is on a season ticket brochure.

https://x.com/SSN_EMU/status/1782471392128045559

Another transfer.

(04-22-2024 01:40 PM)RamyEMU Wrote:  

(04-22-2024 12:31 PM)dansplaining Wrote:  In other news heres how NIL affects the draft:
https://theathletic.com/5420476/2024/04/...ey-impact/

'Only 58 underclassmen have declared for this week’s draft — down from 130 players in 2021 and the smallest number of underclassmen since 2011. For those in NFL circles, the introduction of NIL money is a clear factor.

“It’s crazy to fathom that some of these guys made more money in college than they will in the NFL,” Green Bay Packers coach Matt LaFleur said.'

Yay!!! There are 72 players that will play in college football an ADDITIONAL year!!!!! Thank god for NIL!!!!! College football would be completely unbearable to watch next year without those 72 players… I apologize for the sarcasm, Splaining. Just seemed the best way to illustrate my counterpoint. I always love/value your posts on other topics. And even on the transfer/NIL topic you have previously opened my eyes to some alternate perspectives. I just think you have taken this cause way too far and to such an extent that it stops making sense again- at least for me.

I will leave it at that. I won’t counter any further of your posts on the topic. I will leave it at a respectful (and hereby silent) disagreement.

You'd care a lot more if some of those players played for EMU haha

(04-22-2024 02:00 PM)dansplaining Wrote:  

(04-22-2024 01:40 PM)RamyEMU Wrote:  

(04-22-2024 12:31 PM)dansplaining Wrote:  In other news heres how NIL affects the draft:
https://theathletic.com/5420476/2024/04/...ey-impact/

'Only 58 underclassmen have declared for this week’s draft — down from 130 players in 2021 and the smallest number of underclassmen since 2011. For those in NFL circles, the introduction of NIL money is a clear factor.

“It’s crazy to fathom that some of these guys made more money in college than they will in the NFL,” Green Bay Packers coach Matt LaFleur said.'

Yay!!! There are 72 players that will play in college football an ADDITIONAL year!!!!! Thank god for NIL!!!!! College football would be completely unbearable to watch next year without those 72 players… I apologize for the sarcasm, Splaining. Just seemed the best way to illustrate my counterpoint. I always love/value your posts on other topics. And even on the transfer/NIL topic you have previously opened my eyes to some alternate perspectives. I just think you have taken this cause way too far and to such an extent that it stops making sense again- at least for me.

I will leave it at that. I won’t counter any further of your posts on the topic. I will leave it at a respectful (and hereby silent) disagreement.

You'd care a lot more if some of those players played for EMU haha

I am only responding to say, that was pretty funny

(04-22-2024 02:51 PM)RamyEMU Wrote:  

(04-22-2024 02:00 PM)dansplaining Wrote:  

(04-22-2024 01:40 PM)RamyEMU Wrote:  

(04-22-2024 12:31 PM)dansplaining Wrote:  In other news heres how NIL affects the draft:
https://theathletic.com/5420476/2024/04/...ey-impact/

'Only 58 underclassmen have declared for this week’s draft — down from 130 players in 2021 and the smallest number of underclassmen since 2011. For those in NFL circles, the introduction of NIL money is a clear factor.

“It’s crazy to fathom that some of these guys made more money in college than they will in the NFL,” Green Bay Packers coach Matt LaFleur said.'

Yay!!! There are 72 players that will play in college football an ADDITIONAL year!!!!! Thank god for NIL!!!!! College football would be completely unbearable to watch next year without those 72 players… I apologize for the sarcasm, Splaining. Just seemed the best way to illustrate my counterpoint. I always love/value your posts on other topics. And even on the transfer/NIL topic you have previously opened my eyes to some alternate perspectives. I just think you have taken this cause way too far and to such an extent that it stops making sense again- at least for me.

I will leave it at that. I won’t counter any further of your posts on the topic. I will leave it at a respectful (and hereby silent) disagreement.

You'd care a lot more if some of those players played for EMU haha

I am only responding to say, that was pretty funny

It's happening in basketball and now football apparently. NIL seems to be slowly but surely bolstering college sports in a weird way. To me the only question is will the same thing happen to baseball and hockey?

(04-22-2024 01:40 PM)RamyEMU Wrote:  

(04-22-2024 12:31 PM)dansplaining Wrote:  In other news heres how NIL affects the draft:
https://theathletic.com/5420476/2024/04/...ey-impact/

'Only 58 underclassmen have declared for this week’s draft — down from 130 players in 2021 and the smallest number of underclassmen since 2011. For those in NFL circles, the introduction of NIL money is a clear factor.

“It’s crazy to fathom that some of these guys made more money in college than they will in the NFL,” Green Bay Packers coach Matt LaFleur said.'

Yay!!! There are 72 players that will play in college football an ADDITIONAL year!!!!! Thank god for NIL!!!!! College football would be completely unbearable to watch next year without those 72 players… I apologize for the sarcasm, Splaining. Just seemed the best way to illustrate my counterpoint. I always love/value your posts on other topics. And even on the transfer/NIL topic you have previously opened my eyes to some alternate perspectives. I just think you have taken this cause way too far and to such an extent that it stops making sense again- at least for me.

I will leave it at that. I won’t counter any further of your posts on the topic. I will leave it at a respectful (and hereby silent) disagreement.

I'm not sold that all these players are staying specifically for NIL money. Keep in mind some of this draft class has an extra year of eligibility from Covid, and were probably stuck behind guys who also had extra years. Rolling the dice on being drafted in the 5-7th round vs. getting another year to make game film is more likely.

What boosters are really paying fringe NFL prospects more than the NFL minimum ($705k) anyway?

(04-22-2024 03:24 PM)eastcoasteagle Wrote:  

(04-22-2024 01:40 PM)RamyEMU Wrote:  

(04-22-2024 12:31 PM)dansplaining Wrote:  In other news heres how NIL affects the draft:
https://theathletic.com/5420476/2024/04/...ey-impact/

'Only 58 underclassmen have declared for this week’s draft — down from 130 players in 2021 and the smallest number of underclassmen since 2011. For those in NFL circles, the introduction of NIL money is a clear factor.

“It’s crazy to fathom that some of these guys made more money in college than they will in the NFL,” Green Bay Packers coach Matt LaFleur said.'

Yay!!! There are 72 players that will play in college football an ADDITIONAL year!!!!! Thank god for NIL!!!!! College football would be completely unbearable to watch next year without those 72 players… I apologize for the sarcasm, Splaining. Just seemed the best way to illustrate my counterpoint. I always love/value your posts on other topics. And even on the transfer/NIL topic you have previously opened my eyes to some alternate perspectives. I just think you have taken this cause way too far and to such an extent that it stops making sense again- at least for me.

I will leave it at that. I won’t counter any further of your posts on the topic. I will leave it at a respectful (and hereby silent) disagreement.

I'm not sold that all these players are staying specifically for NIL money. Keep in mind some of this draft class has an extra year of eligibility from Covid, and were probably stuck behind guys who also had extra years. Rolling the dice on being drafted in the 5-7th round vs. getting another year to make game film is more likely.

What boosters are really paying fringe NFL prospects more than the NFL minimum ($705k) anyway?

Real talk : most SEC schools, Ohio State, and any college in Texas.

Noah Farrakhan in the portal again. Is that, like, 10 total schools between he and Monty Scott?

(04-25-2024 04:43 PM)EagleSam Wrote:  Noah Farrakhan in the portal again. Is that, like, 10 total schools between he and Monty Scott?

I was about to post this on the offers thread, as I would love a return. but might be more fitting here. I would say 8, btw.

If Noah returns hypothetically speaking, we would have a starting lineup of: Lovejoy, Noah, Osojnik, Billingsley, Geeter. With Henry, Tingler, Rice, and Jihad coming off the bench. That would be a very solid team.

Don’t think it happens though for a number of reasons.

(04-25-2024 04:53 PM)RamyEMU Wrote:  

(04-25-2024 04:43 PM)EagleSam Wrote:  Noah Farrakhan in the portal again. Is that, like, 10 total schools between he and Monty Scott?

I was about to post this on the offers thread, as I would love a return. but might be more fitting here. I would say 8, btw.

If Noah returns hypothetically speaking, we would have a starting lineup of: Lovejoy, Noah, Osojnik, Billingsley, Geeter. With Henry, Tingler, Rice, and Jihad coming off the bench. That would be a very solid team.

Don’t think it happens though for a number of reasons.

Noah has talent to be sure, he alone made the 2021-22 team semi-watchable.

That 2022-23 team, however, was an abject disaster! While I think our coddling of Emoni was a major reason, I truly don't think Noah contributed much either. That team did not expend effort or seem to care at all about EMU. It was embarrassing to watch.

Last year the less than talented team hustled, played defense and rebounded. I enjoyed them. Acuff stayed and is now being rewarded.

Noah took off and now is looking again for a new home. Wish him the best but think he should be playing somewhere other than Ypsilanti. Just my opinion.

(04-25-2024 04:43 PM)EagleSam Wrote:  Noah Farrakhan in the portal again. Is that, like, 10 total schools between he and Monty Scott?

Freaking ridiculous!

(04-25-2024 04:43 PM)EagleSam Wrote:  Noah Farrakhan in the portal again. Is that, like, 10 total schools between he and Monty Scott?

He's just another "me first" player making a mockery of a bad system.