(03-27-2024 03:26 PM)Redwingtom Wrote: And no, "most people" don't have a damned clue whether the fine and time to pay were excessive.
Most people aren't familiar with the relevant facts in the case, any precedent, etc.
And most importantly, no appeal has even been heard yet. The only thing that was changed was the bond amount and the extra time he was given.
If he loses the appeal, when it's heard, he will owe the entire judgement.
And FFS, can we stop this railroad nonsense? trump is a rich white guy. Spare me the feigned outrage of an unfair judicial system. You sound ridiculous.
You make a number of comments in here that I really have to challenge.
1) The fact that he's a rich white guy is immaterial. It took bail of $500+mm to put him in a bind and put his 8th amendment rights into question. For most people, the state could do that with $500+. If you can take those rights away from a rich white guy, they can take it away from anyone. This is just typical white liberal guilt talking... as if somehow rich white guys don't have the same rights as anyone else.... and ignorance... as if what they do to a rich white guy won't ever happen to a poor black one.
2) I think everyone knows that $500mm just to have your case appealed is a lot of money.... regardless of how much you have.
Even Democrats were calling him 'Broke Don'... and believe me... 'most people' know what it's like to be broke... and this is the government doing this... and you're cheering them on??
3) I think most people know there is no precedent for this... because they would have heard about it.... and the facts that people DO know don't support the fine. Nobody died. Nobody lost money. Race played no part. Nobody forced anyone to make a loan they didn't want to and EVERYONE knows you don't just get to borrow whatever you want. Those are the facts that most people know.... and if you tell them that 'the state requires you to file this paperwork accurately, even if it is not relied on in order to make the loan' they also know that $500+mm is INSANE for such a fine.
Truth be told, MOST people think the whole idea that in NY, you have to post the entire judgement against you before you can even file for an appeal is a violation of your rights.
And they ALL know that the appellate court has obviously agreed that the 'bond' was excessive.... cutting it by 2/3rds.
Seriously.,. the only people who are okay with this are the people who want Donald Trump to suffer... and they are obviously willing to do whatever it takes... legal or not... to accomplish that. THAT is what most people know... even most on the left.