(03-19-2024 04:20 PM)OsageJ Wrote:  I wonder how many schools will just say forget it....not the big dogs but others.

You have to figure that, say, Vanderbilt and Northwestern are just waiting for the day that the rest of their leagues start to float hints that if they want to go a different direction, it isn't going to bother anyone...

On the Clemson thing...I think someone wrote something like this on the board a while back, but how weird is the legal landscape that everyone thinks they can take a shot at not fulfilling a contract they signed?

(03-19-2024 03:46 PM)Luckyshot Wrote:  Why would anyone sign GOR for 20 years? That's what stopped MTSU and WKU from joining the MAC right after the SBC took Marshall, ODU and USM.

Do we actually know that? I feel like someone randomly posted it somewhere on CSNBBS, and everyone immediately picked it up, for whatever reason.

My understanding is that WKU and MTSU didn't go to the MAC because MTSU was too broke to afford a move, and the MAC wouldn't take just WKU.

(03-19-2024 04:20 PM)OsageJ Wrote:  I wonder how many schools will just say forget it....not the big dogs but others.

bingo ... now we're gellin'....]


the privates are going to either 'private' or succumb ... teams like UL/MEM/ECU/UC(or any other we shared with ya biatches) ... yeah, they're fuxxored, too...

all that matters is the top tier $$$ and how the lonely heart club's leftovers eat it or litigate....

before anyone goes there - congress is fk'd .... so yeah, vandy, too-lame, tulsa, rice, blah ... form ewer own wtfe .... we'll call yaz hahhhhhhhvard, too....

(02-03-2024 12:42 PM)TealNation Wrote:  

(02-03-2024 12:23 PM)Johnnychimpo Wrote:  There will still be semi pro teams left in this league of remaining “amateurs”. TCU, Utah and NCST

I doubt the SEC and Big 10 want an overinflated semi pro league. The only schools in the P4 I see potentially getting that call to join are the following:

Notre Dame
FSU
Miami
Clemson
UNC
Virginia

Everyone else will remain in FBS without some type of executive legislation blowing the whole thing up.

I can plainly see Clemson and FSU wanting entry to the SEC.

(02-03-2024 07:09 PM)EigenEagle Wrote:  If they could've done it, they would've already done it. There really going to set themselves up to be the beneficiaries of the system and who cared what athletes don't graduate to save themselves.

This whole thing falls apart soon enough. Let's just relax and be glad we're in a conference of peers that we hate alot. At a minimum there's confidence that whatever happens this conference will land just fine as long as we stay together keep growing our universities and hold the real estate we have. We are truly in a unique position. There is real hate among this group due to history fighting it out for championships. Those aren't available anymore.

There's a caveat in the calculus that will likely get little attention while the money hungry chase as much of the monopoly as possible.

Take UAB for example. The program was shuttered when Alabama's centers of influence got their way. To many FBS programs in a state of 5 million. BUT WAIT! UAB host the 7th largest hospital campus in America. Centers of influence failed to realize how vital UAB was to Alabama citizens. BAM! UAB get's their football team back. Soon as the shake out begins trimming the have nots we'll find out who and what's important.

(03-19-2024 06:41 PM)Oldyeller Wrote:  

(02-03-2024 07:09 PM)EigenEagle Wrote:  If they could've done it, they would've already done it. There really going to set themselves up to be the beneficiaries of the system and who cared what athletes don't graduate to save themselves.

This whole thing falls apart soon enough. Let's just relax and be glad we're in a conference of peers that we hate alot. At a minimum there's confidence that whatever happens this conference will land just fine as long as we stay together keep growing our universities and hold the real estate we have. We are truly in a unique position. There is real hate among this group due to history fighting it out for championships. Those aren't available anymore.

There's a caveat in the calculus that will likely get little attention while the money hungry chase as much of the monopoly as possible.

Take UAB for example. The program was shuttered when Alabama's centers of influence got their way. To many FBS programs in a state of 5 million. BUT WAIT! UAB host the 7th largest hospital campus in America. Centers of influence failed to realize how vital UAB was to Alabama citizens. BAM! UAB get's their football team back. Soon as the shake out begins trimming the have nots we'll find out who and what's important.

#LIVgolf

@oopsie

(02-06-2024 08:28 PM)TealNation Wrote:  

(02-06-2024 08:00 PM)DawgNBama Wrote:  

(02-06-2024 07:13 PM)TealNation Wrote:  

(02-06-2024 06:21 PM)MOTIAW Wrote:  Now we get to add the first successful lobby by players to be deemed employees… at Dartmouth. If it stands and spreads, which it will, you’re now talking base salary, not just NIL.

That's what it should've been all along. They need to have structured contracts with specific terms just like any other contracted employee.

"NIL" was destined to be abused from the get go. The vast majority of these players are not marketable and nothing to sell at this point. They are just being paid to enroll. Some to play, some to not play.

You do realize that the Ivy League has no NIL collectives, right?? That's why Dartmouth's students are doing this.

Not them in particular. All student athletes should be deemed contracted or salaried employees on an annual basis. Why continue to fake the amateurism? That would provide some structure and transparency. It's stupid to have one foot in and one foot out. Maybe they'll do that in the super league.

I think you have to find a way to differentiate Ivy League from SEC. Clearly, those are two different animals. How does that work?

(03-19-2024 05:08 PM)Yosef181 Wrote:  

(03-19-2024 03:46 PM)Luckyshot Wrote:  Why would anyone sign GOR for 20 years? That's what stopped MTSU and WKU from joining the MAC right after the SBC took Marshall, ODU and USM.

Do we actually know that? I feel like someone randomly posted it somewhere on CSNBBS, and everyone immediately picked it up, for whatever reason.

My understanding is that WKU and MTSU didn't go to the MAC because MTSU was too broke to afford a move, and the MAC wouldn't take just WKU.

I don't think they were too broke, they just didn't want to give up millions in departure money the league had coming to it. I mean 9 exit fees spread around 5 remaining members is a lot of scratch compared to 800k per year in the MAC.

(02-02-2024 08:26 PM)8993 Wrote:  

(02-02-2024 03:59 PM)TealNation Wrote:  If they leave the NCAA, it will be good in our case. A lot of good brands will be left out and we could essentially move up a rung from where we are currently. We just won't be a part of the semi pro league, but instead actual college football.

I appreciate the glass half full take, but my biggest fear here is that the money will follow them and the rest of us will be further relegated.

If the money does leave, the SBC will be in the best spot to take the punch. We're close geographically and we have solid sports. CUSA and AAC will drown trying to maintain their travel with no money.

(03-20-2024 07:18 AM)GreenBison Wrote:  

(02-02-2024 08:26 PM)8993 Wrote:  

(02-02-2024 03:59 PM)TealNation Wrote:  If they leave the NCAA, it will be good in our case. A lot of good brands will be left out and we could essentially move up a rung from where we are currently. We just won't be a part of the semi pro league, but instead actual college football.

I appreciate the glass half full take, but my biggest fear here is that the money will follow them and the rest of us will be further relegated.

If the money does leave, the SBC will be in the best spot to take the punch. We're close geographically and we have solid sports. CUSA and AAC will drown trying to maintain their travel with no money.

I dunno .... both those conferences will pick up/rebrand via geo grouping once the final nail is hammered home...

by ~'30, it'll all be over except for 'those' step chillin's looking for their final rest home...

it's going to be the big boys with their corpshite 'murica thingy rockin' the CASHbah and the rest ... it's that simple....

(02-06-2024 12:20 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(02-06-2024 10:55 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(02-06-2024 10:24 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  When/if the split happens is the day it will be time for the regional reorganization among G5 leagues, because all TV money, not just the AAC's, but everyone else's will be gone. Suspect ESPN/networks will be able to rip up the deals for the AAC/MWC/Sun Belt and all of us will essentially be looking at the TV value and exposure of the current FCS. At that point it's time to get into bus leagues.

which is why arguing semantics is pointless in relativity....

we be what we is and are to become (love muh [sic]) ... let's make the best of it vs. playing the game of 12th biggest bully on the block fighting for the ugliest abused chick...

right now, the SBC and AAC are in a position of power to begin looking at merging by developing the basis for a super conference that would dominate east of the 'sip river ... it's primed for a north/south allegiance that will challenge the 'rest in the west' with a playoff system that will rival/exceed what currently exists...

coalescing > divide and conquer

Coalescing would only make sense if doing it would allow that merged league to be able to stay at the top level. Zero point to making some monster and pointless behemoth if we all get sent to new FCS. Probably would make a lot more sense in that scenario to have smaller hyper regional conferences since all the revenue models that make large conferences make sense would be gone. I don't see any way that a merged SBC/AAC would have a better chance at staying at the top level than the leagues being separate, either the P2 is going to allow us to stay or not.

The smaller more regional conferences will be able to handle the loss of money a lot easier than one in which everyone is spread out across the continent. We just lived through that, wasn't fun and depleted fan interest. Word of advice, just because the P2/4 can do it doesn't mean we should.

(02-06-2024 04:26 PM)TealNation Wrote:  

(02-06-2024 04:11 PM)AlwaysSunny Wrote:  

(02-06-2024 03:04 PM)TealNation Wrote:  

(02-06-2024 02:56 PM)Appst94 Wrote:  

(02-06-2024 11:26 AM)SkullyMaroo Wrote:  Yeah. People focus on the 85 scholarship limit a lot, but in the era of NIL where walkons could receive a bunch of money the 105 roster limit is the most important thing.

If a kid is willing to take money to be a glorified tackling dummy and likely never see the field and be ok with it, do you really want him on your team?

That what I'm saying. Do kids not dream of having a chance to play in the NFL any longer? Is the dream to make a quick buck and be on the practice squad of Ohio State?

Making money has BEEN the goal for a lot of these kids. You're talking about a bunch of 18 year olds that have never had a dime to their name. Yes, of course they would love to have money to be able to support themselves and their families. Less than 1% of these kids actually make it to the pro leagues... they know that's no guarantee.

Unfortunate position to be in, but you have no chance whatsoever riding the bench. If you were good enough to be recruited by those higher schools, I assume you're good enough to have a more useful role on someone's D1 team. Just a whole lot of what ifs. I hope whatever money they do make is used wisely.

How much are these kids that aren't stars even getting? It's hard to overly sympathize for scholarship athletes that don't even play when regular kids are literally struggling to pay for school.

None of this is NIL and everyone knows it. It's just outright paying players to sit on your bench so you don't have to play against them. Why this isn't being brought up in the national media I have no idea.

(02-06-2024 07:09 PM)Oldyeller Wrote:  When Dartmouth players walk out to protest and no one gives a **** what happens?

ESPN will dive into the drama just for the advertising placement and clicks. But people still don't and won't care. I'd be really interested in seeing what would happen if Ohio State's football team went on strike halfway through the season. Now that would be something to see. I know the Blue Color fans of Ohio would be pissed at the players, or I know I would. Asking the fans to pay for all of their scholarships and NIL.. oh it's gonna be a powder keg. Players are starting to not understand the relationship they have with the fans, they just see their football team a separate from the school and just another job. Fans are emotionally connected to the SCHOOL and everythign that goes with it... that's why they donate to their schools, because they love their schools. Soon they are gonna find out that some of these athletes do not love their school but they sure as hell will take the hard earned money of the fans.

We don't move down, we move them out. Kick them out of the NCAA with more votes. Bring up enough FCS to round out a field of 96 teams or so and play college football. Tell the P4 to have fun being isolated in all sports until their USFL/XFL/Arena league gets old and loses billions. Then charge them a billion dollars each to rejoin our league with no voting rights for 10 years minimum.

In the meantime, develop an NCAA streaming service in which all programs are a shareholder and receive dividends based on their number of subscribers, after production costs are covered. All sports and all games will be aired on the service and only on the service. Sell local and national advertising for each game and limited conference and school advertising is included. All playoffs and tournaments are handled the same way with participating teams receiving a share for each game played on top of subscriber shares.

No more what game, where? One service to subscibe to and ALL of them are there.

(03-19-2024 03:15 PM)TealNation Wrote:  “Clemson agreed to the process and procedures for withdrawal.” And they will be “vigorously enforced.”

ACC Statement:

Looks familiar

(03-20-2024 09:16 AM)GreenBison Wrote:  

(02-06-2024 04:26 PM)TealNation Wrote:  

(02-06-2024 04:11 PM)AlwaysSunny Wrote:  

(02-06-2024 03:04 PM)TealNation Wrote:  

(02-06-2024 02:56 PM)Appst94 Wrote:  If a kid is willing to take money to be a glorified tackling dummy and likely never see the field and be ok with it, do you really want him on your team?

That what I'm saying. Do kids not dream of having a chance to play in the NFL any longer? Is the dream to make a quick buck and be on the practice squad of Ohio State?

Making money has BEEN the goal for a lot of these kids. You're talking about a bunch of 18 year olds that have never had a dime to their name. Yes, of course they would love to have money to be able to support themselves and their families. Less than 1% of these kids actually make it to the pro leagues... they know that's no guarantee.

Unfortunate position to be in, but you have no chance whatsoever riding the bench. If you were good enough to be recruited by those higher schools, I assume you're good enough to have a more useful role on someone's D1 team. Just a whole lot of what ifs. I hope whatever money they do make is used wisely.

How much are these kids that aren't stars even getting? It's hard to overly sympathize for scholarship athletes that don't even play when regular kids are literally struggling to pay for school.

None of this is NIL and everyone knows it. It's just outright paying players to sit on your bench so you don't have to play against them. Why this isn't being brought up in the national media I have no idea.

b/c the media is owned by which entity ... plural doesn't apply in this case ...

whether or not you guys want to discuss the real reason(s) is misguided ... it's politics and corpshite 'murica $$$ that drive this bus ... that's what's driving higher 'edjumication' now on the last developed land mass...

at some point, one has to acknowledge wtf is actually happening vs. living in 'click muh heels' land...

(03-20-2024 09:22 AM)MUther Wrote:  We don't move down, we move them out. Kick them out of the NCAA with more votes. Bring up enough FCS to round out a field of 96 teams or so and play college football. Tell the P4 to have fun being isolated in all sports until their USFL/XFL/Arena league gets old and loses billions. Then charge them a billion dollars each to rejoin our league with no voting rights for 10 years minimum.

In the meantime, develop an NCAA streaming service in which all programs are a shareholder and receive dividends based on their number of subscribers, after production costs are covered. All sports and all games will be aired on the service and only on the service. Sell local and national advertising for each game and limited conference and school advertising is included. All playoffs and tournaments are handled the same way with participating teams receiving a share for each game played on top of subscriber shares.

No more what game, where? One service to subscibe to and ALL of them are there.

why do we need the NCAA as it currently exists...

(03-20-2024 09:21 AM)GreenBison Wrote:  

(02-06-2024 07:09 PM)Oldyeller Wrote:  When Dartmouth players walk out to protest and no one gives a **** what happens?

ESPN will dive into the drama just for the advertising placement and clicks. But people still don't and won't care. I'd be really interested in seeing what would happen if Ohio State's football team went on strike halfway through the season. Now that would be something to see. I know the Blue Color fans of Ohio would be pissed at the players, or I know I would. Asking the fans to pay for all of their scholarships and NIL.. oh it's gonna be a powder keg. Players are starting to not understand the relationship they have with the fans, they just see their football team a separate from the school and just another job. Fans are emotionally connected to the SCHOOL and everythign that goes with it... that's why they donate to their schools, because they love their schools. Soon they are gonna find out that some of these athletes do not love their school but they sure as hell will take the hard earned money of the fans.

that's very plausible by ~'35

also, many in our li'l 'concubine' have already told the buzzards to piss off with NIL $$$....

illud est quod est - it is what it is .... muh daily Yogi-ism ....

(03-20-2024 09:07 AM)GreenBison Wrote:  

(02-06-2024 12:20 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(02-06-2024 10:55 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(02-06-2024 10:24 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  When/if the split happens is the day it will be time for the regional reorganization among G5 leagues, because all TV money, not just the AAC's, but everyone else's will be gone. Suspect ESPN/networks will be able to rip up the deals for the AAC/MWC/Sun Belt and all of us will essentially be looking at the TV value and exposure of the current FCS. At that point it's time to get into bus leagues.

which is why arguing semantics is pointless in relativity....

we be what we is and are to become (love muh [sic]) ... let's make the best of it vs. playing the game of 12th biggest bully on the block fighting for the ugliest abused chick...

right now, the SBC and AAC are in a position of power to begin looking at merging by developing the basis for a super conference that would dominate east of the 'sip river ... it's primed for a north/south allegiance that will challenge the 'rest in the west' with a playoff system that will rival/exceed what currently exists...

coalescing > divide and conquer

Coalescing would only make sense if doing it would allow that merged league to be able to stay at the top level. Zero point to making some monster and pointless behemoth if we all get sent to new FCS. Probably would make a lot more sense in that scenario to have smaller hyper regional conferences since all the revenue models that make large conferences make sense would be gone. I don't see any way that a merged SBC/AAC would have a better chance at staying at the top level than the leagues being separate, either the P2 is going to allow us to stay or not.

The smaller more regional conferences will be able to handle the loss of money a lot easier than one in which everyone is spread out across the continent. We just lived through that, wasn't fun and depleted fan interest. Word of advice, just because the P2/4 can do it doesn't mean we should.

If the expected breakdown happens, I believe that the rest of us, along with the P-2/4 leftovers will reorganize along geographical lines to reduce travel costs and increase regional rivalries and interest.

(03-20-2024 09:21 AM)GreenBison Wrote:  

(02-06-2024 07:09 PM)Oldyeller Wrote:  When Dartmouth players walk out to protest and no one gives a **** what happens?

ESPN will dive into the drama just for the advertising placement and clicks. But people still don't and won't care. I'd be really interested in seeing what would happen if Ohio State's football team went on strike halfway through the season. Now that would be something to see. I know the Blue Color fans of Ohio would be pissed at the players, or I know I would. Asking the fans to pay for all of their scholarships and NIL.. oh it's gonna be a powder keg. Players are starting to not understand the relationship they have with the fans, they just see their football team a separate from the school and just another job. Fans are emotionally connected to the SCHOOL and everything that goes with it... that's why they donate to their schools, because they love their schools. Soon they are gonna find out that some of these athletes do not love their school but they sure as hell will take the hard earned money of the fans.

Yep and when college athletes begin earning more than pros because of it we'll begin to see the snake eat it's own tail. Agency kicks in and athletes will demand negotiated contracts and universities begin regretting going down this road.

It's a thing of beauty and common sense. Walkouts become common place and the dollars get tighter.

This opens a can of worms when medical school students in research hospitals just for example begin demanding a share and former athletes and students begin demanding reparations for the injustice. Bank on it.