(02-06-2024 04:11 PM)AlwaysSunny Wrote:  

(02-06-2024 03:04 PM)TealNation Wrote:  

(02-06-2024 02:56 PM)Appst94 Wrote:  

(02-06-2024 11:26 AM)SkullyMaroo Wrote:  

(02-05-2024 07:12 PM)ODUODUODU Wrote:  My fear is that the P too will raise the roster limits and deplete the available talent pool at our level. That would really stink.

Other than that, I could care less about them.

Yeah. People focus on the 85 scholarship limit a lot, but in the era of NIL where walkons could receive a bunch of money the 105 roster limit is the most important thing.

If a kid is willing to take money to be a glorified tackling dummy and likely never see the field and be ok with it, do you really want him on your team?

That what I'm saying. Do kids not dream of having a chance to play in the NFL any longer? Is the dream to make a quick buck and be on the practice squad of Ohio State?

Making money has BEEN the goal for a lot of these kids. You're talking about a bunch of 18 year olds that have never had a dime to their name. Yes, of course they would love to have money to be able to support themselves and their families. Less than 1% of these kids actually make it to the pro leagues... they know that's no guarantee.

Unfortunate position to be in, but you have no chance whatsoever riding the bench. If you were good enough to be recruited by those higher schools, I assume you're good enough to have a more useful role on someone's D1 team. Just a whole lot of what ifs. I hope whatever money they do make is used wisely.

How much are these kids that aren't stars even getting? It's hard to overly sympathize for scholarship athletes that don't even play when regular kids are literally struggling to pay for school.

(02-06-2024 03:20 PM)SkullyMaroo Wrote:  

(02-06-2024 03:04 PM)TealNation Wrote:  

(02-06-2024 02:56 PM)Appst94 Wrote:  

(02-06-2024 11:26 AM)SkullyMaroo Wrote:  

(02-05-2024 07:12 PM)ODUODUODU Wrote:  My fear is that the P too will raise the roster limits and deplete the available talent pool at our level. That would really stink.

Other than that, I could care less about them.

Yeah. People focus on the 85 scholarship limit a lot, but in the era of NIL where walkons could receive a bunch of money the 105 roster limit is the most important thing.

If a kid is willing to take money to be a glorified tackling dummy and likely never see the field and be ok with it, do you really want him on your team?

That what I'm saying. Do kids not dream of having a chance to play in the NFL any longer? Is the dream to make a quick buck and be on the practice squad of Ohio State?

It’s that concept of “instant gratification.” Quick money is hard to turn down. Especially when you can make money to go to Ohio State to ride the bench for a year and then go to the Transfer Portal and do it all over again the next year. Less than 2% of college players make it to the NFL.

That is not instant gratification. That is sound decision making.

Get a good degree (Ohio State is a better degree than every school in the SBC), get paid while doing it because of football and don't bet on the <2% of making it to the NFL.

I guess this all is truly a testament of pay for play...or in this case, not play. What brands pay a lot for a guy's name, image, and likeness that the average fan doesn't even know is on the team? Is there really a market for practice squad college guys? These aren't even pros. I'm shook.

Now we get to add the first successful lobby by players to be deemed employees… at Dartmouth. If it stands and spreads, which it will, you’re now talking base salary, not just NIL.

When Dartmouth players walk out to protest and no one gives a **** what happens?

(02-06-2024 06:21 PM)MOTIAW Wrote:  Now we get to add the first successful lobby by players to be deemed employees… at Dartmouth. If it stands and spreads, which it will, you’re now talking base salary, not just NIL.

That's what it should've been all along. They need to have structured contracts with specific terms just like any other contracted employee.

"NIL" was destined to be abused from the get go. The vast majority of these players are not marketable and nothing to sell at this point. They are just being paid to enroll. Some to play, some to not play.

(02-06-2024 07:13 PM)TealNation Wrote:  

(02-06-2024 06:21 PM)MOTIAW Wrote:  Now we get to add the first successful lobby by players to be deemed employees… at Dartmouth. If it stands and spreads, which it will, you’re now talking base salary, not just NIL.

That's what it should've been all along. They need to have structured contracts with specific terms just like any other contracted employee.

"NIL" was destined to be abused from the get go. The vast majority of these players are not marketable and nothing to sell at this point. They are just being paid to enroll. Some to play, some to not play.

You do realize that the Ivy League has no NIL collectives, right?? That's why Dartmouth's students are doing this.

(02-06-2024 07:13 PM)TealNation Wrote:  

(02-06-2024 06:21 PM)MOTIAW Wrote:  Now we get to add the first successful lobby by players to be deemed employees… at Dartmouth. If it stands and spreads, which it will, you’re now talking base salary, not just NIL.

That's what it should've been all along. They need to have structured contracts with specific terms just like any other contracted employee.

"NIL" was destined to be abused from the get go. The vast majority of these players are not marketable and nothing to sell at this point. They are just being paid to enroll. Some to play, some to not play.

Let’s leave NIL aside for a moment, as a different issue.


Let’s go just to the employee piece. Again, the “pay” will be more meaningful than a scholly. At minimum, it’ll be upper end of current (defunct by now…) COS monies.

Address how in the face of prospectively lowering revenues, we (all of us, not just Coastal) add that cost our programs, if we haven’t been able to yet.

(02-06-2024 08:00 PM)DawgNBama Wrote:  

(02-06-2024 07:13 PM)TealNation Wrote:  

(02-06-2024 06:21 PM)MOTIAW Wrote:  Now we get to add the first successful lobby by players to be deemed employees… at Dartmouth. If it stands and spreads, which it will, you’re now talking base salary, not just NIL.

That's what it should've been all along. They need to have structured contracts with specific terms just like any other contracted employee.

"NIL" was destined to be abused from the get go. The vast majority of these players are not marketable and nothing to sell at this point. They are just being paid to enroll. Some to play, some to not play.

You do realize that the Ivy League has no NIL collectives, right?? That's why Dartmouth's students are doing this.

Yes, fully realize. But “Dartmouth”/the Ivys aren’t the point. To date, the other 3 or so attempts at this have failed in court. Yet along each step of the way, the NCAA has been warned to figure it out. The Ivys also have a tiny fraction of the revenues of others. If it fits them, it surely fits the wealthier leagues. Nothing about this case referenced “well, the these poor guys don’t have NIL”, it’s solely focused on the school’s control of all terms of their labor.

(02-06-2024 08:00 PM)DawgNBama Wrote:  

(02-06-2024 07:13 PM)TealNation Wrote:  

(02-06-2024 06:21 PM)MOTIAW Wrote:  Now we get to add the first successful lobby by players to be deemed employees… at Dartmouth. If it stands and spreads, which it will, you’re now talking base salary, not just NIL.

That's what it should've been all along. They need to have structured contracts with specific terms just like any other contracted employee.

"NIL" was destined to be abused from the get go. The vast majority of these players are not marketable and nothing to sell at this point. They are just being paid to enroll. Some to play, some to not play.

You do realize that the Ivy League has no NIL collectives, right?? That's why Dartmouth's students are doing this.

Not them in particular. All student athletes should be deemed contracted or salaried employees on an annual basis. Why continue to fake the amateurism? That would provide some structure and transparency. It's stupid to have one foot in and one foot out. Maybe they'll do that in the super league.

(02-06-2024 08:14 PM)MOTIAW Wrote:  

(02-06-2024 07:13 PM)TealNation Wrote:  

(02-06-2024 06:21 PM)MOTIAW Wrote:  Now we get to add the first successful lobby by players to be deemed employees… at Dartmouth. If it stands and spreads, which it will, you’re now talking base salary, not just NIL.

That's what it should've been all along. They need to have structured contracts with specific terms just like any other contracted employee.

"NIL" was destined to be abused from the get go. The vast majority of these players are not marketable and nothing to sell at this point. They are just being paid to enroll. Some to play, some to not play.

Let’s leave NIL aside for a moment, as a different issue.


Let’s go just to the employee piece. Again, the “pay” will be more meaningful than a scholly. At minimum, it’ll be upper end of current (defunct by now…) COS monies.

Address how in the face of prospectively lowering revenues, we (all of us, not just Coastal) add that cost our programs, if we haven’t been able to yet.

Let me clarify. I don't want Coastal apart of that. I just believe NIL is stupid with no transparency. If you want the players to be paid, they need to have structure, terms, clauses and contracts associated.

I'd support a P whatever split at this point. You could have the semi pro division and we would revert to amateur sports. It's not like it isn't a farm system already. I know many would have a problem with that because they aren't with the "Big Boys" but we never really were. The general fan wouldn't know the difference. We are getting paid crumbs in comparison. I'd rather be able to have an avenue to potentially explore and market that split to our advantage.

Whatever provides more structure, without our schools drowning financially, I'm all for at this point.

Call me callous, we never should've started paying anyone.. #screwobannon

(02-06-2024 08:14 PM)MOTIAW Wrote:  

(02-06-2024 07:13 PM)TealNation Wrote:  

(02-06-2024 06:21 PM)MOTIAW Wrote:  Now we get to add the first successful lobby by players to be deemed employees… at Dartmouth. If it stands and spreads, which it will, you’re now talking base salary, not just NIL.

That's what it should've been all along. They need to have structured contracts with specific terms just like any other contracted employee.

"NIL" was destined to be abused from the get go. The vast majority of these players are not marketable and nothing to sell at this point. They are just being paid to enroll. Some to play, some to not play.

Let’s leave NIL aside for a moment, as a different issue.


Let’s go just to the employee piece. Again, the “pay” will be more meaningful than a scholly. At minimum, it’ll be upper end of current (defunct by now…) COS monies.

Address how in the face of prospectively lowering revenues, we (all of us, not just Coastal) add that cost our programs, if we haven’t been able to yet.

Lowering revenues? Are there SBC schools who actually believe that their sports revenues are going down in the future?

JMU is selling more tickets at higher prices and collecting more in donations, while we are still on a discounted media payout from the SBC as part of the transition to the SBC.

Maybe we have to lower student fees, but this P2 split could lead to change in the VA legislation that limits the % of an athletic budget is supported by student fees.

bwahahahahahahahahaha ... there's so many threads to choose abouts ... however, on this forum, I picks this nose in the 'duh the fk derps' category....

click and read it if ya want .... it's just more "duh"

https://www.espn.com/college-football/st...exit-fees\

“Clemson agreed to the process and procedures for withdrawal.” And they will be “vigorously enforced.”

ACC Statement:

Why would anyone sign GOR for 20 years? That's what stopped MTSU and WKU from joining the MAC right after the SBC took Marshall, ODU and USM.

do we need to dial in tanq-0fer-rang on this one ...






















y'all ain' seen shite, yet!

(02-06-2024 04:27 PM)Dukes_Royals Wrote:  

(02-06-2024 03:20 PM)SkullyMaroo Wrote:  

(02-06-2024 03:04 PM)TealNation Wrote:  

(02-06-2024 02:56 PM)Appst94 Wrote:  

(02-06-2024 11:26 AM)SkullyMaroo Wrote:  Yeah. People focus on the 85 scholarship limit a lot, but in the era of NIL where walkons could receive a bunch of money the 105 roster limit is the most important thing.

If a kid is willing to take money to be a glorified tackling dummy and likely never see the field and be ok with it, do you really want him on your team?

That what I'm saying. Do kids not dream of having a chance to play in the NFL any longer? Is the dream to make a quick buck and be on the practice squad of Ohio State?

It’s that concept of “instant gratification.” Quick money is hard to turn down. Especially when you can make money to go to Ohio State to ride the bench for a year and then go to the Transfer Portal and do it all over again the next year. Less than 2% of college players make it to the NFL.

That is not instant gratification. That is sound decision making.

Get a good degree (Ohio State is a better degree than every school in the SBC), get paid while doing it because of football and don't bet on the <2% of making it to the NFL.

Not at the undergraduate level.

(03-19-2024 04:04 PM)Longhorn Wrote:  Not at the undergraduate level.

I have to ask (sig lines explain why) ... ewe always muck the hand ... why?
... and since I already know why ewe are, please tell the board why ewe bleed?!

@fairquestion

I wonder how many schools will just say forget it....not the big dogs but others.