There has been a lot of talk of the ACC possibly raiding Big 12 teams. If you look at football only (using 2024 pre-season seedings), it appears that (after the defections), the Big 12 has the stronger product (see below). The (new) Big 12 is also stronger in basketball. That being said, I could see a straight-up merger of the two.

10 Clemson ACC (likely to the SEC)
14 Florida State ACC (likely to the SEC)
15 Kansas State Big 12
18 Oklahoma State Big 12
20 Utah Big 12
21 Louisville ACC (possibly to the SEC)
23 North Carolina State ACC (likely to the SEC)
26 Southern Methodist ACC
37 Texas Christian Big 12
38 North Carolina ACC (likely to the Big Ten)
40 Iowa State Big 12
43 Texas Tech Big 12
46 West Virginia Big 12
49 Central Florida Big 12
50 Miami (Florida) ACC (possibly to the Big Ten)
51 Duke ACC
56 Arizona Big 12
57 Kansas Big 12
60 Brigham Young Big 12
67 Cincinnati Big 12
70 Wake Forest ACC
71 Georgia Tech ACC
73 Pittsburgh ACC
75 Houston Big 12
76 Virginia Tech ACC (likely to the SEC)
80 Syracuse ACC
81 Baylor Big 12
84 Boston College ACC
85 California ACC (possibly to the Big Ten)
95 Virginia ACC (likely to the Big Ten)
99 Arizona State Big 12
106 Stanford ACC (possibly to the Big Ten)
112 Colorado Big 12

UGH.

WE DON'T WANT NC STATE

A merged ACC/B12 would also allow the playoff to stay at 12 teams: 3 bids to the Big Ten, 3 bids to the SEC; 2 bids to the ACC/B12, 1 bid to the top rated G5 champ, and 3 at-large. First round byes to the champions of Big Ten (Rose Bowl), SEC (Sugar Bowl), ACC/B12 (Orange Bowl), and G5 (Fiesta Bowl) with the other eight teams seeded and playing the first round on campus with the winners facing the four bye teams.

So there are 70 Power teams now? (Counting SMU, Oregon State and Wazzu). So there are 6 spots left in B10, 8 left in SEC, and 2 new for the Big Rest - UCONN and USF?

B10 - Stanford, Cal, Miami, Colorado, Arizona, Arizona State.
SEC - Clemson, FSU, UNC, NCSt, Duke, UVA, VT, Kansas

Louisville isn't getting elevated with Duke getting left behind. Sorry, not happening.

These would be pretty terrible additions for the Big 10 if they don't get any of the high-end ACC teams. I'm not sure I would even bother expanding after Stanford and Miami.

I'd disagree about some of the OP, but the point is still valid. After FSU, UM, Clem, football leans heavily in the Big12's favor.

There is almost no chance of UNC and UVA ending up in the SEC. Those two are joined at the hip. The decision makers at both schools (not the athletic departments) have been unwavering in their desire for the Big Ten. After Notre Dame, those two are the top targets of the Big Ten. I also don't see any realistic scenario where Kansas goes to the SEC (they are a basketball first school). They would love to follow UNC to the Big Ten, but the Big Ten doesn't need them. ASU has no chance at the Big Ten and Arizona and Colorado would be way down the list.

(03-03-2024 03:54 PM)JamesHowell Wrote:  There is almost no chance of UNC and UVA ending up in the SEC. Those two are joined at the hip. The decision makers at both schools (not the athletic departments) have been unwavering in their desire for the Big Ten. After Notre Dame, those two are the top targets of the Big Ten. I also don't see any realistic scenario where Kansas goes to the SEC (they are a basketball first school). They would love to follow UNC to the Big Ten, but the Big Ten doesn't need them. ASU has no chance at the Big Ten and Arizona and Colorado would be way down the list.

lol ok

(03-03-2024 03:03 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  UGH.

WE DON'T WANT NC STATE

If North Carolina and Virginia are able to get out of taking little brother with them, the SEC may have no choice but to take NC State and Virginia Tech. At least Virginia Tech would be a cultural fit.

(03-03-2024 02:58 PM)JamesHowell Wrote:  There has been a lot of talk of the ACC possibly raiding Big 12 teams. If you look at football only (using 2024 pre-season seedings), it appears that (after the defections), the Big 12 has the stronger product (see below). The (new) Big 12 is also stronger in basketball. That being said, I could see a straight-up merger of the two.

10 Clemson ACC (likely to the SEC)
14 Florida State ACC (likely to the SEC)
15 Kansas State Big 12
18 Oklahoma State Big 12
20 Utah Big 12
21 Louisville ACC (possibly to the SEC)
23 North Carolina State ACC (likely to the SEC)
26 Southern Methodist ACC
37 Texas Christian Big 12
38 North Carolina ACC (likely to the Big Ten)
40 Iowa State Big 12
43 Texas Tech Big 12
46 West Virginia Big 12
49 Central Florida Big 12
50 Miami (Florida) ACC (possibly to the Big Ten)
51 Duke ACC
56 Arizona Big 12
57 Kansas Big 12
60 Brigham Young Big 12
67 Cincinnati Big 12
70 Wake Forest ACC
71 Georgia Tech ACC
73 Pittsburgh ACC
75 Houston Big 12
76 Virginia Tech ACC (likely to the SEC)
80 Syracuse ACC
81 Baylor Big 12
84 Boston College ACC
85 California ACC (possibly to the Big Ten)
95 Virginia ACC (likely to the Big Ten)
99 Arizona State Big 12
106 Stanford ACC (possibly to the Big Ten)
112 Colorado Big 12

What if only FSU leaves? What if only FSU and another school leave?

(03-03-2024 04:05 PM)random asian guy Wrote:  

(03-03-2024 02:58 PM)JamesHowell Wrote:  There has been a lot of talk of the ACC possibly raiding Big 12 teams. If you look at football only (using 2024 pre-season seedings), it appears that (after the defections), the Big 12 has the stronger product (see below). The (new) Big 12 is also stronger in basketball. That being said, I could see a straight-up merger of the two.

10 Clemson ACC (likely to the SEC)
14 Florida State ACC (likely to the SEC)
15 Kansas State Big 12
18 Oklahoma State Big 12
20 Utah Big 12
21 Louisville ACC (possibly to the SEC)
23 North Carolina State ACC (likely to the SEC)
26 Southern Methodist ACC
37 Texas Christian Big 12
38 North Carolina ACC (likely to the Big Ten)
40 Iowa State Big 12
43 Texas Tech Big 12
46 West Virginia Big 12
49 Central Florida Big 12
50 Miami (Florida) ACC (possibly to the Big Ten)
51 Duke ACC
56 Arizona Big 12
57 Kansas Big 12
60 Brigham Young Big 12
67 Cincinnati Big 12
70 Wake Forest ACC
71 Georgia Tech ACC
73 Pittsburgh ACC
75 Houston Big 12
76 Virginia Tech ACC (likely to the SEC)
80 Syracuse ACC
81 Baylor Big 12
84 Boston College ACC
85 California ACC (possibly to the Big Ten)
95 Virginia ACC (likely to the Big Ten)
99 Arizona State Big 12
106 Stanford ACC (possibly to the Big Ten)
112 Colorado Big 12

What if only FSU leaves? What if only FSU and another school leave?

That’s the “here & now” question, rag. It looks as if that has to be settled first.

This board never disappoints.

(03-03-2024 03:54 PM)JamesHowell Wrote:  I also don't see any realistic scenario where Kansas goes to the SEC (they are a basketball first school).

New stadium being built. Great coach locked in.

(03-03-2024 02:58 PM)JamesHowell Wrote:  That being said, I could see a straight-up merger of the two.

Possible, but odds were better previously. Now more likely the SEC and B1G will feast on the ACC, and the Big XII will then acquire the best leftbehinds (see the Pac-boom of last year). When? 2026 to 2036 IMHO.

But the ACC will survive, mostly via absorbing much of the AAC and other eastern teams. Same as the Pac-12, if the acquisition of the MW goes ahead as it should in two years (or the MW acquires the IP of the Pac-12 if OSU and WSU join the Big XII or ACC).

As someone started saying years ago, it will be fun to watch the SEC and B1G fight over UNC. And UNC's responses. Stock up now on popcorn and beer.

(03-03-2024 02:58 PM)JamesHowell Wrote:  There has been a lot of talk of the ACC possibly raiding Big 12 teams. If you look at football only (using 2024 pre-season seedings), it appears that (after the defections), the Big 12 has the stronger product (see below). The (new) Big 12 is also stronger in basketball. That being said, I could see a straight-up merger of the two.

10 Clemson ACC (likely to the SEC)
14 Florida State ACC (likely to the SEC)
15 Kansas State Big 12
18 Oklahoma State Big 12
20 Utah Big 12
21 Louisville ACC (possibly to the SEC)
23 North Carolina State ACC (likely to the SEC)
26 Southern Methodist ACC
37 Texas Christian Big 12
38 North Carolina ACC (likely to the Big Ten)
40 Iowa State Big 12
43 Texas Tech Big 12
46 West Virginia Big 12
49 Central Florida Big 12
50 Miami (Florida) ACC (possibly to the Big Ten)
51 Duke ACC
56 Arizona Big 12
57 Kansas Big 12
60 Brigham Young Big 12
67 Cincinnati Big 12
70 Wake Forest ACC
71 Georgia Tech ACC
73 Pittsburgh ACC
75 Houston Big 12
76 Virginia Tech ACC (likely to the SEC)
80 Syracuse ACC
81 Baylor Big 12
84 Boston College ACC
85 California ACC (possibly to the Big Ten)
95 Virginia ACC (likely to the Big Ten)
99 Arizona State Big 12
106 Stanford ACC (possibly to the Big Ten)
112 Colorado Big 12

LOL there has been 0 talk of ACC raiding the B12.

The best thing the ACC could have done is try to keep FSU pacified until 2036. The appearance of being cohesive could have opened up a raid of the Big12 in 2030. There are so many residual effects of this fallout that it will ultimately hurt the ACC more than FSU when this is all settled, but we have dorks running the ACC that are out of touch, so what do you expect?

The ACC has been destabilized by their own ridiculously long media deal and FSU. Only PAC2 and American teams would be willing to jump to that unstable mess.

Most likely FSU and Notre Dame leave and the ACC is able to stop the bleeding and stay together till 2036. No need to add and dilute the value further. The SMU fiasco was enough to curb G5 Call-Ups.

(03-04-2024 09:01 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  

(03-03-2024 02:58 PM)JamesHowell Wrote:  There has been a lot of talk of the ACC possibly raiding Big 12 teams. If you look at football only (using 2024 pre-season seedings), it appears that (after the defections), the Big 12 has the stronger product (see below). The (new) Big 12 is also stronger in basketball. That being said, I could see a straight-up merger of the two.

10 Clemson ACC (likely to the SEC)
14 Florida State ACC (likely to the SEC)
15 Kansas State Big 12
18 Oklahoma State Big 12
20 Utah Big 12
21 Louisville ACC (possibly to the SEC)
23 North Carolina State ACC (likely to the SEC)
26 Southern Methodist ACC
37 Texas Christian Big 12
38 North Carolina ACC (likely to the Big Ten)
40 Iowa State Big 12
43 Texas Tech Big 12
46 West Virginia Big 12
49 Central Florida Big 12
50 Miami (Florida) ACC (possibly to the Big Ten)
51 Duke ACC
56 Arizona Big 12
57 Kansas Big 12
60 Brigham Young Big 12
67 Cincinnati Big 12
70 Wake Forest ACC
71 Georgia Tech ACC
73 Pittsburgh ACC
75 Houston Big 12
76 Virginia Tech ACC (likely to the SEC)
80 Syracuse ACC
81 Baylor Big 12
84 Boston College ACC
85 California ACC (possibly to the Big Ten)
95 Virginia ACC (likely to the Big Ten)
99 Arizona State Big 12
106 Stanford ACC (possibly to the Big Ten)
112 Colorado Big 12

LOL there has been 0 talk of ACC raiding the B12.

Yeah. I haven’t seen anyone talking about the ACC raiding the B12 except me.

(03-04-2024 06:06 PM)random asian guy Wrote:  Yeah. I haven’t seen anyone talking about the ACC raiding the B12 except me.

It’s because the schools will pocket that money for themselves and not pay to poach. Now, if you could convince schools like WF and BC to use their FSU exit fees to poach the Big 12, that may do it. I think UCF and UC are must haves. I don’t think Utah and ASU are going… sorry.

(03-03-2024 03:54 PM)JamesHowell Wrote:  There is almost no chance of UNC and UVA ending up in the SEC. Those two are joined at the hip. The decision makers at both schools (not the athletic departments) have been unwavering in their desire for the Big Ten. After Notre Dame, those two are the top targets of the Big Ten. I also don't see any realistic scenario where Kansas goes to the SEC (they are a basketball first school). They would love to follow UNC to the Big Ten, but the Big Ten doesn't need them. ASU has no chance at the Big Ten and Arizona and Colorado would be way down the list.

Link please. Well, link for UNC anyway because who cares what UVA thinks? The B1G already passed on Cal and Stanford, and both of them are more desirable than UVA.

UNC is UCLA, UVA is a poor man’s Cal.

(03-04-2024 06:19 PM)RUScarlets Wrote:  

(03-04-2024 06:06 PM)random asian guy Wrote:  Yeah. I haven’t seen anyone talking about the ACC raiding the B12 except me.

It’s because the schools will pocket that money for themselves and not pay to poach. Now, if you could convince schools like WF and BC to use their FSU exit fees to poach the Big 12, that may do it. I think UCF and UC are must haves. I don’t think Utah and ASU are going… sorry.

Ideally the ACC would get TCU, Utah, Arizona State, and Kansas.