RE: Colorado SOS Pushing to Have Trump Off the Ballot
(10-31-2023 01:11 PM)Claw Wrote:
(10-31-2023 01:07 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:
(10-31-2023 12:47 PM)Redwingtom Wrote: Kinda pointless really. There's no way he's winning CO. He lost to Biden by 13%+ in 2020.
If they prevent Trump from being on the ballot, the remedy would be that Colorado's electoral votes are disqualified, and their vote count removed from the number required to win the election.
So go ahead, f*ck around and find out.
If Colorado manages to do it, another 15 states will follow suit. If this was to somehow be upheld, it would be the end of the country.
Doubtful. I have heard the folks here in Michigan say they have no desire to pursue this track.
RE: Colorado SOS Pushing to Have Trump Off the Ballot
(10-31-2023 01:11 PM)Attackcoog Wrote: There is no "constitutional thing" because there was no insurrection. Misuse of the language doesnt make it so. Nobody there had any intention of overthrowing the government of the United States of America armed with flag poles and canes. The idea that our "democracy" was teetering on the edge or that our government was about to be taken over is so laughable that I dont know how people keep a straight face when they promote that stupid narrative. Thousands of people surrounded the White House and attempted to breach the walls in the summer of 2020---they even set fire to a historic church on the White House grounds. Hundreds of law enforcement officers were injured and the president at one point was moved to the White House bunker. Secret Service calls to the city of DC and to Capital Hill call for help that summer during the siege were ignored. Fortunately, the Secret Service was able to find enough additional law enforcement help from various executive branch security forces to prevent the outer fences from being overwhelmed.
That White House siege was far more violent and far more similar to an insurrection than Jan 6th----it just doenst appear to be as significant on the surface because the White House security plan was competent enough to hold off the crowd.
You have to remember that this narrative is being pushed by democrats. It doesn't have to make sense, it just has to make a headline to be read and believed by the dumbest amongst us.
RE: Colorado SOS Pushing to Have Trump Off the Ballot
(10-31-2023 01:22 PM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote: The courts sided with the Constitution?? A Rhodes scholar you are not.
The Constitution is very clear.
Correct, I am not a Rhodes Scholar.
But my point is that if the court rules he's not eligible...and SCOTUS agrees as this would certainly end up there...then the Constitution DOES say he's not eligible.
I'm not making any claims in my posts that he is ineligible.
(This post was last modified: 10-31-2023 01:27 PM by Redwingtom.)
RE: Colorado SOS Pushing to Have Trump Off the Ballot
(10-31-2023 01:36 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:
(10-31-2023 01:27 PM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote: That's such a massive stretch.
Why? If SCOTUS agrees with a lower court ruling, that means they interpreted that he is ineligible under the Constitution as they interpret it, right?
One thing we discovered about the courts in 2020----they generally turned out to be extremely reticent to have court decisions decide elections. In general---they indicated they would prefer dirty cheating fraud filled flawed elections over being placed in a position where a court would determine winners and losers. Zero chance this removal of Trump for the ballot will pass a SC challenge. The judges with that type of power arent that stupid. Something like that could cause the kind of real life strife we only see in banana republics---which just goes to show you just how incredibly extreme and ridiculously power hungry the Democrats have become in the last 3 year since Covid gave that group a taste for true totalitarian power. Pretty chilling.
(This post was last modified: 10-31-2023 01:48 PM by Attackcoog.)
RE: Colorado SOS Pushing to Have Trump Off the Ballot
(10-31-2023 02:02 PM)oruvoice Wrote:
(10-31-2023 01:24 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:
(10-31-2023 01:17 PM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote: They know Trump is STILL the biggest threat to there "way of life".
Right. Sad that YOU don't know that he's also threat to YOUR way of life.
Don't say I didn't warn you.
LOL! You're so dumb.
Please tell us how him being President for 4 years threatened your way of life?
This should be good.
Well, Cletus, nowhere did I say his first term threatened my way of life. Talk about dumb.
But trust me, if he gets another term, he's likely to completely burn down our government and destroy our democracy...which yeah, would drastically change our way of life. Our only hope would be if the GOP actually stood up to the orange menace for once.
(This post was last modified: 11-01-2023 06:12 AM by Redwingtom.)
RE: Colorado SOS Pushing to Have Trump Off the Ballot
(10-31-2023 02:06 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:
(10-31-2023 02:02 PM)oruvoice Wrote:
(10-31-2023 01:24 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:
(10-31-2023 01:17 PM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote: They know Trump is STILL the biggest threat to there "way of life".
Right. Sad that YOU don't know that he's also threat to YOUR way of life.
Don't say I didn't warn you.
LOL! You're so dumb.
Please tell us how him being President for 4 years threatened your way of life?
This should be good.
Well, Cletus, nowhere did I say his first term threatened my way of life. Talk abouot dumb.
But trust me, if he gets another term, he's likely to completely burn down our government and destroy our democracy...which yeah, would drastically change our way of life. Our only hope would be if the GOP actually stood up to the orange menace for once.
I really do appreciate you being here!
The sheer stupidity makes me laugh, multiple times a day! Keep up the good work!
RE: Colorado SOS Pushing to Have Trump Off the Ballot
(10-31-2023 02:03 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:
(10-31-2023 01:54 PM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:
(10-31-2023 01:36 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:
(10-31-2023 01:27 PM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote: That's such a massive stretch.
Why? If SCOTUS agrees with a lower court ruling, that means they interpreted that he is ineligible under the Constitution, right?
Again, not saying I agree with anything CO is doing here or what the result of this case might be.
SCOTUS will never agree to that. It would probably be unanimous, or at the very least 7-2. You dream sir.
FFS, you CANNOT be this dense?!?
N O W H E R E did I say or even imply that I think or want him to be ineligible here!
The FACTS are that yes, if SCOTUS upheld the lower court, then yes, he's ineligible under the Constitution.
If this case ever did make it to SCOTUS, I have little doubt they would overturn the lower court ruling.
Because you KEEP saying it over and over and over
if SCOTUS upheld the lower court
if SCOTUS upheld the lower court
if SCOTUS upheld the lower court
if SCOTUS upheld the lower court
if SCOTUS upheld the lower court
You also say you don't think they would, so WHY do you keep saying it.
We all know why. You're an argumentative old curmudgeon.
RE: Colorado SOS Pushing to Have Trump Off the Ballot
(10-31-2023 01:23 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:
(10-31-2023 01:11 PM)Claw Wrote:
(10-31-2023 01:07 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:
(10-31-2023 12:47 PM)Redwingtom Wrote: Kinda pointless really. There's no way he's winning CO. He lost to Biden by 13%+ in 2020.
If they prevent Trump from being on the ballot, the remedy would be that Colorado's electoral votes are disqualified, and their vote count removed from the number required to win the election.
So go ahead, f*ck around and find out.
If Colorado manages to do it, another 15 states will follow suit. If this was to somehow be upheld, it would be the end of the country.
Doubtful. I have heard the folks here in Michigan say they have no desire to pursue this track.
RE: Colorado SOS Pushing to Have Trump Off the Ballot
(10-31-2023 02:20 PM)Claw Wrote:
(10-31-2023 01:23 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:
(10-31-2023 01:11 PM)Claw Wrote:
(10-31-2023 01:07 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:
(10-31-2023 12:47 PM)Redwingtom Wrote: Kinda pointless really. There's no way he's winning CO. He lost to Biden by 13%+ in 2020.
If they prevent Trump from being on the ballot, the remedy would be that Colorado's electoral votes are disqualified, and their vote count removed from the number required to win the election.
So go ahead, f*ck around and find out.
If Colorado manages to do it, another 15 states will follow suit. If this was to somehow be upheld, it would be the end of the country.
Doubtful. I have heard the folks here in Michigan say they have no desire to pursue this track.
Interesting.
Yeah. Tom is very connected to the movers and shakers in Michigan government.
RE: Colorado SOS Pushing to Have Trump Off the Ballot
(10-31-2023 01:47 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:
(10-31-2023 01:36 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:
(10-31-2023 01:27 PM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote: That's such a massive stretch.
Why? If SCOTUS agrees with a lower court ruling, that means they interpreted that he is ineligible under the Constitution as they interpret it, right?
One thing we discovered about the courts in 2020----they generally turned out to be extremely reticent to have court decisions decide elections. In general---they indicated they would prefer dirty cheating fraud filled flawed elections over being placed in a position where a court would determine winners and losers. Zero chance this removal of Trump for the ballot will pass a SC challenge. The judges with that type of power arent that stupid. Something like that could cause the kind of real life strife we only see in banana republics---which just goes to show you just how incredibly extreme and ridiculously power hungry the Democrats have become in the last 3 year since Covid gave that group a taste for true totalitarian power. Pretty chilling.
The courts said they would prefer hard facts, tangible legal theories, and/or proper parties before them as opposed to the rhetoric you cite above.
The Trump lawsuits in 2020 provided none of the three items above as required.
