(10-17-2023 11:42 AM)bearcat65 Wrote:  

(10-17-2023 08:37 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(10-17-2023 08:15 AM)bearcat65 Wrote:  

(10-17-2023 07:59 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(10-17-2023 07:08 AM)bearcat65 Wrote:  Co-worker? A bit dishonest given he was a grad assistant but then honesty isn't that important to the left. I think this horse has been beaten to death. Some say Jordan knew others say he didn't. He also was not in a position to enable anything as a grad assistant. In most situations the head coach would be the one responsible. Of course in this case that doesn't help the agenda.

Dude, this is a parody account...a joke...sort of like the Onion.

My bad. However you refer to this incident almost every time Jordan's name comes up so it's kind of hard to tell when it's parody.

Oh, no worries at all.

But yeah, I think he was wrong on how he handled the O$U incident and he's never really been held to account at all. He likely didn't really do anything illegal, but all he really needs to do is man up and admit he failed the wrestlers and I'd move right on.

I understand but again he was a grad assistant not a coach. The only reason he is named or his name is in this is because of him being in congress. I don't recall any similar situation where something like this occurred and they blamed the grad assistant unless they were a participant in the crime.

That's all well and good, but the wrestlers said they told him. Did Jim come forward and do anything? Did he back them and do anything to protect them? Did he tell any of any of his superiors?

I like to think I would have and I think you probably would have too.

Again, probably nothing criminal on him at all, but it kind of speaks to his character, or lack thereof IMO.

Jordan has even less votes than expected. We can only hope almost all those are protest votes or this is going to be really ugly.

20 Republican voted for someone else.

(10-17-2023 12:52 PM)fsquid Wrote:  20 Republican voted for someone else.

I like what Brian Kilmeade said when Rep. Bacon voted for McCarthy. "dumb***".

Republicans wonder why they lose a lot....well....here you go.

(10-17-2023 12:57 PM)hburg Wrote:  Republicans wonder why they lose a lot....well....here you go.

Theatrics have always been apart of congress. It has more to do with terrible ground game and not energizing the GOP base in certain districts.


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Don't forget general bad policy.

(10-17-2023 12:55 PM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  

(10-17-2023 12:52 PM)fsquid Wrote:  20 Republican voted for someone else.

I like what Brian Kilmeade said when Rep. Bacon voted for McCarthy. "dumb***".

therefore, what is this telling you about the dichotomy of the caucuses...

there's some serious lobbying going on that Johnny Q. is unaware of....

there's a reason I despise politics ... shite like this is in muh top 5 pet peeves within party alignment ... that's why the donks are the biatch slayers ... they rarely step out of line...

who's paid who's not and the why ... that's what muh tea leaves are whispering...

(10-17-2023 12:57 PM)hburg Wrote:  Republicans wonder why they lose a lot....well....here you go.

8 Republicans brought down McCarthy. A majority of Republicans wanted Scalise.
Now some are not rapidly bowing down to the minority.

The hail mary attempt to get Jordan in there didn't work.

On to Act 4

(10-17-2023 01:12 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(10-17-2023 12:57 PM)hburg Wrote:  Republicans wonder why they lose a lot....well....here you go.

8 Republicans brought down McCarthy. A majority of Republicans wanted Scalise.
Now some are not rapidly bowing down to the minority.

Scalise voted for Jordan.

(10-17-2023 01:27 PM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  

(10-17-2023 01:12 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(10-17-2023 12:57 PM)hburg Wrote:  Republicans wonder why they lose a lot....well....here you go.

8 Republicans brought down McCarthy. A majority of Republicans wanted Scalise.
Now some are not rapidly bowing down to the minority.

Scalise voted for Jordan.

Smart move, playing the long game to try and be the compromise candidate avoiding an early round public bruhaha

(10-17-2023 01:12 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(10-17-2023 12:57 PM)hburg Wrote:  Republicans wonder why they lose a lot....well....here you go.

8 Republicans brought down McCarthy. A majority of Republicans wanted Scalise.
Now some are not rapidly bowing down to the minority.

Now a majority want Jordan. Seems like a very flighty majority. I think Jordan eventually gets there.

(10-17-2023 01:53 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(10-17-2023 01:12 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(10-17-2023 12:57 PM)hburg Wrote:  Republicans wonder why they lose a lot....well....here you go.

8 Republicans brought down McCarthy. A majority of Republicans wanted Scalise.
Now some are not rapidly bowing down to the minority.

Now a majority want Jordan. Seems like a very flighty majority. I think Jordan eventually gets there.

He won the primary to get to this vote it was already a majority then not now like it just happened.

(10-17-2023 02:03 PM)tennis2k4 Wrote:  

(10-17-2023 01:53 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(10-17-2023 01:12 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(10-17-2023 12:57 PM)hburg Wrote:  Republicans wonder why they lose a lot....well....here you go.

8 Republicans brought down McCarthy. A majority of Republicans wanted Scalise.
Now some are not rapidly bowing down to the minority.

Now a majority want Jordan. Seems like a very flighty majority. I think Jordan eventually gets there.

He won the primary to get to this vote it was already a majority then not now like it just happened.

Correct. A majority of Republicans is not a majority of the entire House.

(10-17-2023 02:05 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(10-17-2023 02:03 PM)tennis2k4 Wrote:  

(10-17-2023 01:53 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(10-17-2023 01:12 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(10-17-2023 12:57 PM)hburg Wrote:  Republicans wonder why they lose a lot....well....here you go.

8 Republicans brought down McCarthy. A majority of Republicans wanted Scalise.
Now some are not rapidly bowing down to the minority.

Now a majority want Jordan. Seems like a very flighty majority. I think Jordan eventually gets there.

He won the primary to get to this vote it was already a majority then not now like it just happened.

Correct. A majority of Republicans is not a majority of the entire House.

You were talking about Republicans not the entire house correct?

(10-17-2023 02:06 PM)tennis2k4 Wrote:  

(10-17-2023 02:05 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(10-17-2023 02:03 PM)tennis2k4 Wrote:  

(10-17-2023 01:53 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(10-17-2023 01:12 PM)bullet Wrote:  8 Republicans brought down McCarthy. A majority of Republicans wanted Scalise.
Now some are not rapidly bowing down to the minority.

Now a majority want Jordan. Seems like a very flighty majority. I think Jordan eventually gets there.

He won the primary to get to this vote it was already a majority then not now like it just happened.

Correct. A majority of Republicans is not a majority of the entire House.

You were talking about Republicans not the entire house correct?

To win the conference nomination vote you just need the majority of Republicans. To win on the House floor Jordan can only lose 4 Republican votes---thats not a just a majority---it almost requires unanimity. My point is that "a majority of Republicans" voting for a specific Speaker is not much of a measuring stick for "where the Party stands" with respect to where the actual philosophical core lies within the Republican conference. Once it appears that a person might become Speaker, people line up behind that person for reasons that are well outside the range of core belief.

Do you think an actual majority of the entire house wants Jordan? I don't see democrats breaking.

and in the old days, you took the loss and voted with whomever won the conference vote.

(10-17-2023 01:53 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(10-17-2023 01:12 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(10-17-2023 12:57 PM)hburg Wrote:  Republicans wonder why they lose a lot....well....here you go.

8 Republicans brought down McCarthy. A majority of Republicans wanted Scalise.
Now some are not rapidly bowing down to the minority.

Now a majority want Jordan. Seems like a very flighty majority. I think Jordan eventually gets there.

Probably. But only because Scalise dropped out because of people who wouldn't support him.