Discusses the background that led up to the current situation - is Hamas irrational or out of rational options, the likelihood that Iran is directly involved, Hezbollah, reactions in the Middle East, Israel's short-term and long-term response, the West Bank, social media, and more
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Historical context is irrelevant when a terrorist group is slaughtering children, raping women, and decapitating innocents.

There is no moral equivalency involved in this conflict. It’s a binary choice of good vs evil.


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(10-10-2023 10:04 AM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  Discusses the background that led up to the current situation - is Hamas irrational or out of rational options, the likelihood that Iran is directly involved, Hezbollah, reactions in the Middle East, Israel's short-term and long-term response, the West Bank, social media, and more
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His biases seem to swing towards both ends depending on the issue. It was a thoughtful and thought provoking interview though.

There is no way to compromise with those who want you 'eliminated', especially if they see this as a charge given to them by Allah

(10-10-2023 12:26 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  There is no way to compromise with those who want you 'eliminated', especially if they see this as a charge given to them by Allah

I don't think anybody has suggested that Israel should compromise or negotiate with Hamas. In fact just about every state actor, with the exception of Iran and Putin's Russia, has condemned Hamas. I did hear somewhere that Hamas is now requesting a ceasefire.

(10-10-2023 01:03 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  

(10-10-2023 12:26 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  There is no way to compromise with those who want you 'eliminated', especially if they see this as a charge given to them by Allah

I don't think anybody has suggested that Israel should compromise or negotiate with Hamas. In fact just about every state actor, with the exception of Iran and Putin's Russia, has condemned Hamas. I did hear somewhere that Hamas is now requesting a ceasefire.

So, Hamas has suggested........

Oh, never mind. You can't see what you did there.

(10-10-2023 01:03 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  

(10-10-2023 12:26 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  There is no way to compromise with those who want you 'eliminated', especially if they see this as a charge given to them by Allah

I don't think anybody has suggested that Israel should compromise or negotiate with Hamas. In fact just about every state actor, with the exception of Iran and Putin's Russia, has condemned Hamas. I did hear somewhere that Hamas is now requesting a ceasefire.

The attack is still fresh. Within 2 weeks (or half that) many will begin to blame Israel and painting them as the bad guys here.

(10-10-2023 01:12 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(10-10-2023 01:03 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  

(10-10-2023 12:26 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  There is no way to compromise with those who want you 'eliminated', especially if they see this as a charge given to them by Allah

I don't think anybody has suggested that Israel should compromise or negotiate with Hamas. In fact just about every state actor, with the exception of Iran and Putin's Russia, has condemned Hamas. I did hear somewhere that Hamas is now requesting a ceasefire.

The attack is still fresh. Within 2 weeks (or half that) many will begin to blame Israel and painting them as the bad guys here.

Look, if you're hated so much that it's okay to kill your babies and children why should the Israelis care how they're perceived. What can you do to appease a culture that truly dispises you and wants you dead on any condition. You can thrust you hand out to shake it and all you'll get is a machete lopping it off. Read the Koran where it states that if a non-believer is behind a rock find him and kill him.

We hear that there are ONLY 1% of Muslims that are violence prone but when there are around 3 billion of them that's still a lot of angry muslims. These Leftists that are siding with the Muslims don't know who they are dealing with, especially the homosexual crowd. They'd soon push you off a 5 story building than approve of you lifestyle. How many Christians would do that? Remember, even if there are only 1% of the population there will be a willing muslim that would be too happy to shove them over.

(10-10-2023 01:12 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(10-10-2023 01:03 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  

(10-10-2023 12:26 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  There is no way to compromise with those who want you 'eliminated', especially if they see this as a charge given to them by Allah

I don't think anybody has suggested that Israel should compromise or negotiate with Hamas. In fact just about every state actor, with the exception of Iran and Putin's Russia, has condemned Hamas. I did hear somewhere that Hamas is now requesting a ceasefire.

The attack is still fresh. Within 2 weeks (or half that) many will begin to blame Israel and painting them as the bad guys here.

North Korea and the guy with a haircut is already doing that. So the state actors as far as I know are Putin's Russia, Iran who are active supporters of Hezbollah and Hamas, and North Korea. Band of Brothers.

My point was simply to say that there really IS no way to broker an accord here. It doesn't matter if anyone thinks that Israel should compromise or negotiate with Hamas, because Hamas' position is non-negotiable for many of them. It's literally like trying to negotiate with a .45

(10-10-2023 02:15 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  My point was simply to say that there really IS no way to broker an accord here. It doesn't matter if anyone thinks that Israel should compromise or negotiate with Hamas, because Hamas' position is non-negotiable for many of them. It's literally like trying to negotiate with a .45

And you are 100% spot on. +3

(10-10-2023 01:03 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  

(10-10-2023 12:26 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  There is no way to compromise with those who want you 'eliminated', especially if they see this as a charge given to them by Allah

I don't think anybody has suggested that Israel should compromise or negotiate with Hamas. In fact just about every state actor, with the exception of Iran and Putin's Russia, has condemned Hamas. I did hear somewhere that Hamas is now requesting a ceasefire.

Well, sure, of course they are. Lob 5000 missiles into civilians area's, murder women, children and even babies with decapitation. Thousands of innocents that had NOTHING to do with you all, just trying to live their lives and maybe go to a music festival or something.

NOW, you fvcking goat humping terrorists want a "cease fire".

Sure, how about this.

You surrender every last one of these murderous pricks and and maybe, just maybe we don't completely raze the entire area?

Deal?
Deal.

(10-10-2023 01:03 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  

(10-10-2023 12:26 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  There is no way to compromise with those who want you 'eliminated', especially if they see this as a charge given to them by Allah

I don't think anybody has suggested that Israel should compromise or negotiate with Hamas. In fact just about every state actor, with the exception of Iran and Putin's Russia, has condemned Hamas. I did hear somewhere that Hamas is now requesting a ceasefire.

If I was in charge of Israel, then I'd give Hamas a cease fire under one condition: Under Israeli observation, Hamas must bring forward an equal number of Palestinian babies and children whereby Hamas proceeds to decapitate each Palestinian child in retribution for the Israeli lives taken. Next, they need to bring out the same number of young Palestinian women out to match the Israeli women killed by Hamas, and then Hamas must execute their own Palestinian women.

Maybe then the Palestinians will figure it out and either kill the terrorists by their own hands or give up this farce of being a Palestinian and become Syrians, Jordanians, whatever and leave these lands for good.

(10-10-2023 01:12 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(10-10-2023 01:03 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  

(10-10-2023 12:26 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  There is no way to compromise with those who want you 'eliminated', especially if they see this as a charge given to them by Allah

I don't think anybody has suggested that Israel should compromise or negotiate with Hamas. In fact just about every state actor, with the exception of Iran and Putin's Russia, has condemned Hamas. I did hear somewhere that Hamas is now requesting a ceasefire.

The attack is still fresh. Within 2 weeks (or half that) many will begin to blame Israel and painting them as the bad guys here.

Oh, that's already started, from Crapital Hill loons to the fools on the twitter machine and the droning talking heads talking to dozens of viewers on the leftist cable.

All very predictable, said it before many times.

Loons gon loon.

Hell, we had one right here actually trying to blame this on Trump of all things. Bat sh!t crazy.

I'd bulldoze the entire strip. Make it a DMZ. Send all of the refugees to the Egyptian border or to boats heading to Lebanon. Bye.

(10-10-2023 02:59 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  I'd bulldoze the entire strip. Make it a DMZ. Send all of the refugees to the Egyptian border or to boats heading to Lebanon. Bye.

That's probably the only place that will take them, and that's very telling even if they are also muslims. They are like the rats in NY, good for nothing but spreading filth and murder. Those Pale Ass Tinians in NY should go back to the Gaza if they're so enamored of Pale Ass Tine. They'll never do it, they know that they got it made here. They're like the celebrities in unholywood who said that they would head to Canada if Trump won. I didn't hear of any that did, they're full of hot air just contributing to global warming.

The headline is wrong. Hamas is a hateful terrorist group who should be eradicated from the planet.

It is the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.

(10-10-2023 02:59 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  I'd bulldoze the entire strip. Make it a DMZ. Send all of the refugees to the Egyptian border or to boats heading to Lebanon. Bye.

I might do the same thing. Leave it uninhabited. I wouldn't want to give Lebanon more trouble. Move them to the West Bank or anyplace else that would take them.

The Palestinians need to understand there are negative consequences to terrorism.

(10-10-2023 02:48 PM)miko33 Wrote:  

(10-10-2023 01:03 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  

(10-10-2023 12:26 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  There is no way to compromise with those who want you 'eliminated', especially if they see this as a charge given to them by Allah

I don't think anybody has suggested that Israel should compromise or negotiate with Hamas. In fact just about every state actor, with the exception of Iran and Putin's Russia, has condemned Hamas. I did hear somewhere that Hamas is now requesting a ceasefire.

If I was in charge of Israel, then I'd give Hamas a cease fire under one condition: Under Israeli observation, Hamas must bring forward an equal number of Palestinian babies and children whereby Hamas proceeds to decapitate each Palestinian child in retribution for the Israeli lives taken. Next, they need to bring out the same number of young Palestinian women out to match the Israeli women killed by Hamas, and then Hamas must execute their own Palestinian women.

Maybe then the Palestinians will figure it out and either kill the terrorists by their own hands or give up this farce of being a Palestinian and become Syrians, Jordanians, whatever and leave these lands for good.

(10-10-2023 02:48 PM)miko33 Wrote:  

(10-10-2023 01:03 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  

(10-10-2023 12:26 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  There is no way to compromise with those who want you 'eliminated', especially if they see this as a charge given to them by Allah

I don't think anybody has suggested that Israel should compromise or negotiate with Hamas. In fact just about every state actor, with the exception of Iran and Putin's Russia, has condemned Hamas. I did hear somewhere that Hamas is now requesting a ceasefire.

If I was in charge of Israel, then I'd give Hamas a cease fire under one condition: Under Israeli observation, Hamas must bring forward an equal number of Palestinian babies and children whereby Hamas proceeds to decapitate each Palestinian child in retribution for the Israeli lives taken. Next, they need to bring out the same number of young Palestinian women out to match the Israeli women killed by Hamas, and then Hamas must execute their own Palestinian women.

Maybe then the Palestinians will figure it out and either kill the terrorists by their own hands or give up this farce of being a Palestinian and become Syrians, Jordanians, whatever and leave these lands for good.

You missed one step.....

then I would give the parents of those babies a gun and tell them prove you want something different. If they refused to kill someone that just beheaded their child. They can move right next to the terrorists and be killed