Rather analogous situations.

Clemson and App State both won at exceptional levels.Both are redundant media markets. Both have destinations that share media partners at current and expected landing spots.

Why is it that App State to the ACC, is rightly treated as ridiculous, while Clemson to the SEC is deemed plausible?

Is it all just wishcasting?

(09-28-2023 08:16 AM)LeeNobody Wrote:  Rather analogous situations.

Clemson and App State both won at exceptional levels.Both are redundant media markets. Both have destinations that share media partners at current and expected landing spots.

Why is it that App State to the ACC , rightly treated as ridiculous, while Clemson to the SEC is deemed plausible?

Is it all just wishcasting?

Bitter Yellow Jackets fan whose school will probably be left out of P2? Just guessing...

(09-28-2023 08:30 AM)RUScarlets Wrote:  Bitter Yellow Jackets fan whose school will probably be left out of P2? Just guessing...

Not bitter as there appears to be nothing to be bitter about. Just wondering why is there a 7 page thread on an anonymous rumor from a Clemson SI site that lacks any actual justification on how Clemson gets out of the GOR or why the SEC would take them. It just seems silly.

(09-28-2023 08:16 AM)LeeNobody Wrote:  Rather analogous situations.

Clemson and App State both won at exceptional levels.Both are redundant media markets. Both have destinations that share media partners at current and expected landing spots.

Why is it that App State to the ACC , rightly treated as ridiculous, while Clemson to the SEC is deemed plausible?

Is it all just wishcasting?

maybe because App State's academic profile would be like a community college compared to the ACC's? Clemson would be above the SEC average.

University presidents hold the votes. For Appalachian State to gain admission, they would need the near-unanimity of votes from presidents at Cal, Stanford, UVA, & a whole slew of top-100 schools.

As for Clemson, they're a school who's won multiple national championships recently and draws some of the highest ratings outside the B1G/SEC, so their brand is big enough to overcome market redundancy.

(09-28-2023 08:16 AM)LeeNobody Wrote:  Rather analogous situations.

Clemson and App State both won at exceptional levels.Both are redundant media markets. Both have destinations that share media partners at current and expected landing spots.

Why is it that App State to the ACC , rightly treated as ridiculous, while Clemson to the SEC is deemed plausible?

Is it all just wishcasting?

How many viewers does App State bring in each week? How many are they expected to bring in during future seasons?

Clemson would be a NO-GO if the SEC already had 4 teams in South Carolina.

No school from North Carolina is getting in the ACC unless at least 2 of the existing NC schools leave.

App State is getting into the ACC only when SMU, Wake Forest, and Boston College are the only ones left in the league. Really, this would be an ACC made up of a bunch of current AAC and Sun Belt members, plus maybe a MW or Liberty thrown in there.

We’d be talking, something like this before App gets int to ACC

SMU
Wake
BC
Memphis
Washington State
Oregon State
Colorado State
Boise State
ECU
Navy FB
Temple
Tulane
Marshall

“You serious Clark?”

If SMU to the ACC makes sense and Oregon to the Big 10 makes sense, I don’t know if you can say App State to the ACC is ridiculous. Will it ever happen? No. Mostly because of perceived academics. App focuses on Bachelors degrees and some Masters. You can get a damn good education often better than comparable degrees at “National” schools. But it’s not a research university that’s not its mission.


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Because those situations are not actually comparable at all.

(09-28-2023 08:38 AM)b2b Wrote:  

(09-28-2023 08:16 AM)LeeNobody Wrote:  Rather analogous situations.

Clemson and App State both won at exceptional levels.Both are redundant media markets. Both have destinations that share media partners at current and expected landing spots.

Why is it that App State to the ACC , rightly treated as ridiculous, while Clemson to the SEC is deemed plausible?

Is it all just wishcasting?

maybe because App State's academic profile would be like a community college compared to the ACC's? Clemson would be above the SEC average.

if Louisville can get in, App State can get in.

Personally I think this is a very prescient question that needs to go all the way to the top.

Louisville is #15 nationally in revenue. They are operating on a gigantic athletic budget. They're effectively the professional team of the #43 MSA.

(09-28-2023 11:16 AM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  Louisville is #15 nationally in revenue. They are operating on a gigantic athletic budget. They're effectively the professional team of the #43 MSA.

I understand that Louisville is an athletic behemoth, but i mean from an academic profile standpoint.

If the ACC presidents of UNC, UVA and Duke swallowed their academic snobbishness for Louisville, if the economics worked, they'd do it for App State too.

(09-28-2023 08:16 AM)LeeNobody Wrote:  Rather analogous situations.

Clemson and App State both won at exceptional levels.Both are redundant media markets. Both have destinations that share media partners at current and expected landing spots.

Why is it that App State to the ACC, is rightly treated as ridiculous, while Clemson to the SEC is deemed plausible?

Is it all just wishcasting?

Imagine thinking a bunch of FCS wins and being 14th all-time in FBS wins are analogous.

You’re talking about radically different programs. Clemson was there when the SoCon Was founded in 1921 and have spent their whole history in elite leagues, and rank in the top 25 for attendance.

App St was a 1971 SoCon replacement after the ACC schools left, WVU and VT went independent, and George Washington dropped their program.

(09-28-2023 11:39 AM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  You’re talking about radically different programs. Clemson was there when the SoCon Was founded in 1921 and have spent their whole history in elite leagues, and rank in the top 25 for attendance.

App St was a 1971 SoCon replacement after the ACC schools left, WVU and VT went independent, and George Washington dropped their program.

See! They both have history in the SoCon! The SoCon of today is the same as in 1952 when Clemson was last in it, just like the AAC is the same Big East as when Miami was in it. Therefore, App State = Clemson and Charlotte = Miami. So obvious, guys.

(This is sarcasm for those who can’t tell.)

I don't think Clemson to the SEC makes a ton of sense. But I've been wrong before and will be wrong again.

(09-28-2023 11:19 AM)ballantyneapp Wrote:  

(09-28-2023 11:16 AM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  Louisville is #15 nationally in revenue. They are operating on a gigantic athletic budget. They're effectively the professional team of the #43 MSA.

I understand that Louisville is an athletic behemoth, but i mean from an academic profile standpoint.

If the ACC presidents of UNC, UVA and Duke swallowed their academic snobbishness for Louisville, if the economics worked, they'd do it for App State too.

That's a whole nuther step down. Louisville is Tier I. Appalachian St. is classified as a Master's Level Regional University. I don't think the ACC would even take Memphis.

And App. St. is new to FBS and #4 or #5 among public schools in the state and a zero in basketball while Louisville is long established, a clear #2 in Kentucky and a top 10 basketball program.