(08-30-2023 10:55 AM)fsquid Wrote:  Unless you got a big promotion at work (which has nothing to do with Biden), then your wallet has to be thinner. No other way around it. One can argue that inflation would have happened regardless of who is in office, but its on his watch.

I work for a great company. I get good raises every year along with substantial profit sharing on top of that. Even with the economy, my company has grown around 8% every year.

Of course my expenses for food went up like everyone. But I also drive a lot less because I work from home almost exclusively now. But nowhere did I claim my financial position had ANYTHING to do with Biden. It's just a fact for me, I'm in a better place now than I was under trump. Your results may vary.

And yes, clown boy, I did receive stimulus money. That hardly put me at the "bottom of earners". The phase out for a married couple was $150k. Maybe your wife hadn't divorced you yet so you are confused?

Thinner and RWT...two things that should never appear in the same sentence.

(08-30-2023 11:54 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(08-30-2023 10:55 AM)fsquid Wrote:  Unless you got a big promotion at work (which has nothing to do with Biden), then your wallet has to be thinner. No other way around it. One can argue that inflation would have happened regardless of who is in office, but its on his watch.

I work for a great company. I get good raises every year along with substantial profit sharing on top of that. Even with the economy, my company has grown around 8% every year.

Of course my expenses for food went up like everyone. But I also drive a lot less because I work from home almost exclusively now. But nowhere did I claim my financial position had ANYTHING to do with Biden. It's just a fact for me, I'm in a better place now than I was under trump. Your results may vary.

And yes, clown boy, I did receive stimulus money. That hardly put me at the "bottom of earners". The phase out for a married couple was $150k. Maybe your wife hadn't divorced you yet so you are confused?

Do you work for a Repo company? I forgot what you did for a living.

(08-30-2023 11:57 AM)oruvoice Wrote:  Thinner and RWT...two things that should never appear in the same sentence.

Oh right...I forgot you know every detail about my personal life.

Seek help.

(08-30-2023 11:58 AM)Redbanksdog Wrote:  

(08-30-2023 11:54 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(08-30-2023 10:55 AM)fsquid Wrote:  Unless you got a big promotion at work (which has nothing to do with Biden), then your wallet has to be thinner. No other way around it. One can argue that inflation would have happened regardless of who is in office, but its on his watch.

I work for a great company. I get good raises every year along with substantial profit sharing on top of that. Even with the economy, my company has grown around 8% every year.

Of course my expenses for food went up like everyone. But I also drive a lot less because I work from home almost exclusively now. But nowhere did I claim my financial position had ANYTHING to do with Biden. It's just a fact for me, I'm in a better place now than I was under trump. Your results may vary.

And yes, clown boy, I did receive stimulus money. That hardly put me at the "bottom of earners". The phase out for a married couple was $150k. Maybe your wife hadn't divorced you yet so you are confused?

Do you work for a Repo company? I forgot what you did for a living.

He runs print reports at lunchtime.

Judging by the polls, economic reality, and what people are saying about the economy Tom is lucky to be in the minority of people who are doing better under Biden.

(08-30-2023 12:56 PM)bearcat65 Wrote:  Judging by the polls, economic reality, and what people are saying about the economy Tom is lucky to be in the minority of people who are doing better under Biden.

Even if the economy completely collapsed, he'd still be saying the exact same stuff.

Team over all. Forever.

If Kari Lake hadn't chosen to pick a fight with the McCain supporters in the Arizona republican party, she would be governor of Arizona today. That probably cost her 200,000 votes, and with them she would have had a cheat-proof majority. Her, "Evil bastards," comment should have been reserved for democrats, not McCain republicans.

Donald Trump's attacks on McCain turned Arizona from a reliably republican state to a democrat one. Lake didn't help that any.

(08-30-2023 02:28 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  If Kari Lake hadn't chosen to pick a fight with the McCain supporters in the Arizona republican party, she would be governor of Arizona today. That probably cost her 200,000 votes, and with them she would have had a cheat-proof majority. Her, "Evil bastards," comment should have been reserved for democrats, not McCain republicans.

Donald Trump's attacks on McCain turned Arizona from a reliably republican state to a democrat one. Lake didn't help that any.

stupid party

(08-30-2023 02:28 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  If Kari Lake hadn't chosen to pick a fight with the McCain supporters in the Arizona republican party, she would be governor of Arizona today. That probably cost her 200,000 votes, and with them she would have had a cheat-proof majority. Her, "Evil bastards," comment should have been reserved for democrats, not McCain republicans.

Donald Trump's attacks on McCain turned Arizona from a reliably republican state to a democrat one. Lake didn't help that any.

Cheat proof majority. The new standard.

(08-30-2023 02:53 PM)oruvoice Wrote:  

(08-30-2023 02:28 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  If Kari Lake hadn't chosen to pick a fight with the McCain supporters in the Arizona republican party, she would be governor of Arizona today. That probably cost her 200,000 votes, and with them she would have had a cheat-proof majority. Her, "Evil bastards," comment should have been reserved for democrats, not McCain republicans.
Donald Trump's attacks on McCain turned Arizona from a reliably republican state to a democrat one. Lake didn't help that any.

Cheat proof majority. The new standard.

I am not at all certian that either the 2020 or 2022 elections were truly stolen. What I am certian of is that the procedures for election security were so loose that nobody will ever be able to know whether those elections were stolen or not.

What makes republicans so vulnerable to cheating is Karl Rove's approach of slicing and dicing the electorate in order to get 51% of the vote. What republicans need to do is to aim for 54-55% or so. That requires a party-wide consensus on major issues like Newt's Contract With America in 1994 (last time republicans approached that percentage of voters). As a part of that consensus, they need to moderate their stance on social issues like gay rights and abortion. They can never build a significant majority with issue positions that are absolute non-starters in significant parts of hte country (northeast and west coast).

(08-30-2023 03:36 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(08-30-2023 02:53 PM)oruvoice Wrote:  

(08-30-2023 02:28 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  If Kari Lake hadn't chosen to pick a fight with the McCain supporters in the Arizona republican party, she would be governor of Arizona today. That probably cost her 200,000 votes, and with them she would have had a cheat-proof majority. Her, "Evil bastards," comment should have been reserved for democrats, not McCain republicans.
Donald Trump's attacks on McCain turned Arizona from a reliably republican state to a democrat one. Lake didn't help that any.

Cheat proof majority. The new standard.

I am not at all certian that either the 2020 or 2022 elections were truly stolen. What I am certian of is that the procedures for election security were so loose that nobody will ever be able to know whehter those elections were stolen or not.

What makes republicans so vulnerable to cheating is Karl Rove's approach of slicing and dicing the electorate in order to get 51% of the vote. What republicans need to do is to aim for 54-55% or so. That requires a party-wide consensus on major issues like Newt's Contract With America in 1994 (last time republicans approached that percentage of voters). As a part of that consensus, they need to moderate their stance on social issues like gay rights and abortion. They can never build a significant majority with issue positions that are absolute non-starters in significant parts of hte country (northeast and west coast).

I hear you. But, there is a certain segment of Repub voters that still choose principle over pragmatism. I know...crazy, right?

(08-30-2023 03:43 PM)oruvoice Wrote:  

(08-30-2023 03:36 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(08-30-2023 02:53 PM)oruvoice Wrote:  

(08-30-2023 02:28 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  If Kari Lake hadn't chosen to pick a fight with the McCain supporters in the Arizona republican party, she would be governor of Arizona today. That probably cost her 200,000 votes, and with them she would have had a cheat-proof majority. Her, "Evil bastards," comment should have been reserved for democrats, not McCain republicans.
Donald Trump's attacks on McCain turned Arizona from a reliably republican state to a democrat one. Lake didn't help that any.

Cheat proof majority. The new standard.

I am not at all certain that either the 2020 or 2022 elections were truly stolen. What I am certian of is that the procedures for election security were so loose that nobody will ever be able to know whether those elections were stolen or not.
What makes republicans so vulnerable to cheating is Karl Rove's approach of slicing and dicing the electorate in order to get 51% of the vote. What republicans need to do is to aim for 54-55% or so. That requires a party-wide consensus on major issues like Newt's Contract With America in 1994 (last time republicans approached that percentage of voters). As a part of that consensus, they need to moderate their stance on social issues like gay rights and abortion. They can never build a significant majority with issue positions that are absolute non-starters in significant parts of hte country (northeast and west coast).

I hear you. But, there is a certain segment of Repub voters that still choose principle over pragmatism. I know...crazy, right?

Then somebody needs to talk some sense into them.

(08-30-2023 03:46 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(08-30-2023 03:43 PM)oruvoice Wrote:  

(08-30-2023 03:36 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(08-30-2023 02:53 PM)oruvoice Wrote:  

(08-30-2023 02:28 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  If Kari Lake hadn't chosen to pick a fight with the McCain supporters in the Arizona republican party, she would be governor of Arizona today. That probably cost her 200,000 votes, and with them she would have had a cheat-proof majority. Her, "Evil bastards," comment should have been reserved for democrats, not McCain republicans.
Donald Trump's attacks on McCain turned Arizona from a reliably republican state to a democrat one. Lake didn't help that any.

Cheat proof majority. The new standard.

I am not at all certain that either the 2020 or 2022 elections were truly stolen. What I am certian of is that the procedures for election security were so loose that nobody will ever be able to know whether those elections were stolen or not.
What makes republicans so vulnerable to cheating is Karl Rove's approach of slicing and dicing the electorate in order to get 51% of the vote. What republicans need to do is to aim for 54-55% or so. That requires a party-wide consensus on major issues like Newt's Contract With America in 1994 (last time republicans approached that percentage of voters). As a part of that consensus, they need to moderate their stance on social issues like gay rights and abortion. They can never build a significant majority with issue positions that are absolute non-starters in significant parts of hte country (northeast and west coast).

I hear you. But, there is a certain segment of Repub voters that still choose principle over pragmatism. I know...crazy, right?

Then somebody needs to talk some sense into them.

or smack the **** out of them.

From a 2014 article by John Steele Gordon for the Anerican Enterprise Institute:

"This year, the omens strongly favor the Republicans. President Obama is in his sixth year and increasingly unpopular. And the political landscape favors the Republicans, with many Senate Democrats up for re-election in states that were carried by Mitt Romney in 2012. Most political analysts think that the Republicans will hold their majority in the House and that they have a good chance to take the majority in the Senate.

"One way to turn probable pick-ups into a 1994-style rout would be for the Republicans to, once again, nationalize the election based on specific reforms regarding taxes, medical care, a politicized and ever more sprawling bureaucracy, and abuse by federal officials, such as prosecuting attorneys more concerned with conviction than with justice. In other words, a new Contract with America, this time referencing the considerable success that Republican governors have had in recent years achieving reform at the state level.

"By positioning themselves credibly as the party of real reform, one ready to rein in and change Washington’s self-serving, self-aggrandizing ways, the Republican Party would put itself back in touch with the country beyond the Beltway. The Democrats, ever more the party of big government and Washington control, are poorly positioned to counter that.

"The country is no less fed up today with Washington’s ways than it was 20 years ago. That continuing yearning for real reform is a tide that is there to be taken at the flood and would lead the Republicans on to political fortune in November and beyond."

Seems just as appropriate 10 years later. With the number of people thinking the USA is on the wrong track somewhere in the 70% range, the country should be ripe for this kind of message. I've laid out my ideas before. That's where I'd like to see republicans go--moderate (versus democrat extremism) on social issues, fiscal responsibility, welfare and tax reform, improved education and infrastructure to attract industry back to the USA, strongest military in the world, and non-interventionst (not isolationist) foreign policy.

(08-30-2023 04:09 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  From a 2014 article by John Steele Gordon for the Anerican Enterprise Institute:

"This year, the omens strongly favor the Republicans. President Obama is in his sixth year and increasingly unpopular. And the political landscape favors the Republicans, with many Senate Democrats up for re-election in states that were carried by Mitt Romney in 2012. Most political analysts think that the Republicans will hold their majority in the House and that they have a good chance to take the majority in the Senate.

"One way to turn probable pick-ups into a 1994-style rout would be for the Republicans to, once again, nationalize the election based on specific reforms regarding taxes, medical care, a politicized and ever more sprawling bureaucracy, and abuse by federal officials, such as prosecuting attorneys more concerned with conviction than with justice. In other words, a new Contract with America, this time referencing the considerable success that Republican governors have had in recent years achieving reform at the state level.

"By positioning themselves credibly as the party of real reform, one ready to rein in and change Washington’s self-serving, self-aggrandizing ways, the Republican Party would put itself back in touch with the country beyond the Beltway. The Democrats, ever more the party of big government and Washington control, are poorly positioned to counter that.

"The country is no less fed up today with Washington’s ways than it was 20 years ago. That continuing yearning for real reform is a tide that is there to be taken at the flood and would lead the Republicans on to political fortune in November and beyond."

Seems just as appropriate 10 years later. With the number of people thinking the USA is on the wrong track somewhere in the 70% range, the country should be ripe for this kind of message. I've laid out my ideas before. That's where I'd like to see republicans go--moderate (versus democrat extremism) on social issues, fiscal responsibility, welfare and tax reform, improved education and infrastructure to attract industry back to the USA, strongest military in the world, and non-interventionst (not isolationist) foreign policy.

The country always turns bad when Democrats are in power. And then people forget how bad they were and go and vote for them again and the cycle continues.

is lake still humping trump

(08-30-2023 06:56 PM)Unionman76 Wrote:  is lake still humping trump

Why did you want to watch?

(08-30-2023 03:46 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(08-30-2023 03:43 PM)oruvoice Wrote:  

(08-30-2023 03:36 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(08-30-2023 02:53 PM)oruvoice Wrote:  

(08-30-2023 02:28 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  If Kari Lake hadn't chosen to pick a fight with the McCain supporters in the Arizona republican party, she would be governor of Arizona today. That probably cost her 200,000 votes, and with them she would have had a cheat-proof majority. Her, "Evil bastards," comment should have been reserved for democrats, not McCain republicans.
Donald Trump's attacks on McCain turned Arizona from a reliably republican state to a democrat one. Lake didn't help that any.

Cheat proof majority. The new standard.

I am not at all certain that either the 2020 or 2022 elections were truly stolen. What I am certian of is that the procedures for election security were so loose that nobody will ever be able to know whether those elections were stolen or not.
What makes republicans so vulnerable to cheating is Karl Rove's approach of slicing and dicing the electorate in order to get 51% of the vote. What republicans need to do is to aim for 54-55% or so. That requires a party-wide consensus on major issues like Newt's Contract With America in 1994 (last time republicans approached that percentage of voters). As a part of that consensus, they need to moderate their stance on social issues like gay rights and abortion. They can never build a significant majority with issue positions that are absolute non-starters in significant parts of hte country (northeast and west coast).

I hear you. But, there is a certain segment of Repub voters that still choose principle over pragmatism. I know...crazy, right?

Then somebody needs to talk some sense into them.

And, then we'll have the Dems and Dem Light. Basically what we had from Reagan leaving (1988) to just prior to Trump (2015).

Dem Light Party...led by Pence, Christie, Haley, McConnell, Romney, etc.

Hard Pass.

Today’s Arizona GOP would call Barry Goldwater a RINO.