If you can L2 charge at home they work great. I had a Tesla when I had a daily commute. Plug it in when I got home, L2 charger was set to kick in at 11pm when electricity got cheap, car is ready to go in the morning. I could skip charging for two nights and still have enough juice.

Car was awesome mechanically and crazy fast off the line (kept it in “chill” mode most of the time because you don’t need neck snapping acceleration), interior wasn’t as nice as a Jag or Volvo.

(08-11-2023 11:01 AM)umbluegray Wrote:  We laugh at all this, but we're currently on the path to a hard stop on internal combustion vehicles 2035. Several states have signed on to that and I bet more will do so in the future.

• California
• Maryland
• Massachusetts
• New Jersey
• New York
• Oregon
• Washington
  

Hmmmm the list of states seem to have other common goals besides ending IC engines

Great. Did it ever go beyond a short commute?

You seem to be speaking in the past tense, is the slot car now no longer?

Where did you bury the battery? Or, did you recycle it somewhere?

(08-14-2023 04:42 PM)BlueDragon Wrote:  

(08-11-2023 11:01 AM)umbluegray Wrote:  We laugh at all this, but we're currently on the path to a hard stop on internal combustion vehicles 2035. Several states have signed on to that and I bet more will do so in the future.

• California
• Maryland
• Massachusetts
• New Jersey
• New York
• Oregon
• Washington
  

Hmmmm the list of states seem to have other common goals besides ending IC engines

You know it!

Still one of my favorite images of EVs. Tow your generator behind your Tesla.

(08-14-2023 04:49 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  Great. Did it ever go beyond a short commute?

You seem to be speaking in the past tense, is the slot car now no longer?

Where did you bury the battery? Or, did you recycle it somewhere?

I drove it 4 years as a company lease, road tripped in it some but had two other gas cars so not much. We could make it to our lake house on one charge (222mi), and charge off of 240v plug there. Commute was 67 miles a day. In four years I think I lost 8 miles of the battery range.

I was commuting to an office one week then traveling the next at the time, now I don't commute and just WFH or travel so I turned it in at lease end. I'll get another one if I have to start driving a ton again or one of our other vehicles gets long in the tooth. Probably a Mach E once they can use Tesla Supercharger network in 2025 or a Maycan EV depending on what Porsche does there.

(08-11-2023 11:01 AM)umbluegray Wrote:  We laugh at all this, but we're currently on the path to a hard stop on internal combustion vehicles 2035. Several states have signed on to that and I bet more will do so in the future.

• California
• Maryland
• Massachusetts
• New Jersey
• New York
• Oregon
• Washington
  

Seems to me much like the WEF garbage many laugh and scoff at these things but we are clearly on hard path for them to become law and quickly.

Conservative politicians and anyone with a large platform needs to begin screaming from the hilltops over this NOW and take this very serious because they are going to do this whether people like it or not.

Too many are just not taking this crap serious enough and just saying it will never happen here.

Its a denial of reality.

(08-14-2023 05:05 PM)MileHighBronco Wrote:  Still one of my favorite images of EVs. Tow your generator behind your Tesla.

You mean a guy proving the utility of his Model S by towing cargo on a road trip? I like that photo as well.

(08-21-2023 05:21 PM)CrimsonPhantom Wrote:  

That's a good one.

I work in the industry. I'm really optimistic about the future based off of typical corporate knowledge. Regardless of your political affiliations, electric is the future in the same way that the internal combustion engine was the future to the horse.

You're all judging a decade of EV technology vs. 150+ years of ICE technology. One more decade, and this conversation will be moot.

(08-21-2023 06:29 PM)Kruciff Wrote:  I work in the industry. I'm really optimistic about the future based off of typical corporate knowledge. Regardless of your political affiliations, electric is the future in the same way that the internal combustion engine was the future to the horse.

You're all judging a decade of EV technology vs. 150+ years of ICE technology. One more decade, and this conversation will be moot.

Do you think this technology will replace all ICE ?

(08-21-2023 06:37 PM)Redbanksdog Wrote:  

(08-21-2023 06:29 PM)Kruciff Wrote:  I work in the industry. I'm really optimistic about the future based off of typical corporate knowledge. Regardless of your political affiliations, electric is the future in the same way that the internal combustion engine was the future to the horse.

You're all judging a decade of EV technology vs. 150+ years of ICE technology. One more decade, and this conversation will be moot.

Do you think this technology will replace all ICE ?

Did the ICE replace all horses?

(08-21-2023 06:53 PM)Kruciff Wrote:  

(08-21-2023 06:37 PM)Redbanksdog Wrote:  

(08-21-2023 06:29 PM)Kruciff Wrote:  I work in the industry. I'm really optimistic about the future based off of typical corporate knowledge. Regardless of your political affiliations, electric is the future in the same way that the internal combustion engine was the future to the horse.

You're all judging a decade of EV technology vs. 150+ years of ICE technology. One more decade, and this conversation will be moot.

Do you think this technology will replace all ICE ?

Did the ICE replace all horses?

Very few needs for horses these days.

But horse operation isn't prohibitively expensive.

If we still have a few needs for ICE, what will fossil-based fuels cost?

(08-21-2023 06:29 PM)Kruciff Wrote:  I work in the industry. I'm really optimistic about the future based off of typical corporate knowledge. Regardless of your political affiliations, electric is the future in the same way that the internal combustion engine was the future to the horse.

You're all judging a decade of EV technology vs. 150+ years of ICE technology. One more decade, and this conversation will be moot.

ICE are not going to be replaced in our lifetimes.

The government is going to try to force it, but they are going to cause a massive economic disaster instead.

There are going to be more EV's on the road but the technology to travel multiple states, haul campers and equipment, move goods, etc. is WAY further out than 10 years away. Its probably closer to 40+ years away, and even that may be wishful thinking.

Hopefully before we get there enough people come to their senses and realize taking away ICE is not going to have any impact whatsoever on the climate and the climate/environmental impact is a MASSIVE net negative to go all electric across the board.

Right now a majority of the public is still a little too ignorant and unaware of the facts on this, but hopefully 10-15 years from now people are more educated on this and reject they lunacy of this.

Again every single time this comes up we need to point out the most obvious truth of all on this. EV's are NOT going to improve the climate and they are far more damaging to the environment and the cost to buy, travel and upkeep are all considerably higher overall for most Americans. Not to mention the disposal and disaster impact/cost when those batteries explode or just need to be replaced.

There are those who live in large cities and don't travel much or haul things and they might break even on going EV. But they are still not saving the earth or the climate. But they have a right to an EV just as much as we have a right to an ICE.

Its the lunatic commies on the left who want to tell us we don't have a right to the latter.

(08-21-2023 06:29 PM)Kruciff Wrote:  I work in the industry. I'm really optimistic about the future based off of typical corporate knowledge. Regardless of your political affiliations, electric is the future in the same way that the internal combustion engine was the future to the horse.
You're all judging a decade of EV technology vs. 150+ years of ICE technology. One more decade, and this conversation will be moot.

How will the electricity be generated?

I don't think the government should be involved in the EV market at all. But, it's clear that it is the future. Oil is a finite resource no matter what you believe. Have a friend who has one and he loves it. He's also a conservative and generally likes Trump. What's been weird is he occasionally gets a visceral reaction from some people people to the EV and now living in South Alabama. Including one person who started cussing at him being a liberal till he saw his MAGA bumper sticker.

Buy what you want. Some of the supposed facts about EV's being so bad are easily demonstrably wrong. Of course many facts about how good they are are wrong too. A lot of people letting politics fuel their feelings about a product. Which is pretty crazy to me that it's gotten that way.

(08-21-2023 07:19 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(08-21-2023 06:29 PM)Kruciff Wrote:  I work in the industry. I'm really optimistic about the future based off of typical corporate knowledge. Regardless of your political affiliations, electric is the future in the same way that the internal combustion engine was the future to the horse.
You're all judging a decade of EV technology vs. 150+ years of ICE technology. One more decade, and this conversation will be moot.

How will the electricity be generated?

Economies of scale benefits on all of the developing technologies that exist between the point of generation and you

(08-21-2023 07:25 PM)Eagleyed Wrote:  I don't think the government should be involved in the EV market at all. But, it's clear that it is the future. Oil is a finite resource no matter what you believe. Have a friend who has one and he loves it. He's also a conservative and generally likes Trump. What's been weird is he occasionally gets a visceral reaction from some people people to the EV and now living in South Alabama. Including one person who started cussing at him being a liberal till he saw his MAGA bumper sticker.

Buy what you want. Some of the supposed facts about EV's being so bad are easily demonstrably wrong. Of course many facts about how good they are are wrong too. A lot of people letting politics fuel their feelings about a product. Which is pretty crazy to me that it's gotten that way.

That right there is the whole problem in a nutshell. The climate activists, far left big government and globalists do not what you to be able to buy what you want. They want to force you to buy what THEY want you to buy. And if you don't succumb to their political shaming and bully campaign then they will simply outlaw your preferred option.

And THAT is the key reason people react so negatively to EV's and the EV push now. If EV's were simply a new option on the market and sold as one of many you can freely choose from then it would never be political. If the government and globalists were not demanding we all change over to EV's in the name of their climate religion then this would not be a political issue at all.

So as much as you want to pretend this is the fault on traditional or conservative Americans, its not their fault this is now political. Its BIG CLIMATE and big government that has made this incredibly political.

And people can try to spin and re-tell that reality to deny it but its the truth of this and we all know it.