So many on the right have been carrying the water for Putin in belief a Putin win would be good for them, politically. Instead, it looks like they bet against the US & put their money on the wrong horse. At some point, propaganda has got to be back up, and it’s apparent Russia is the hollowed out paper tiger we were always told they were.
To think that you actually went through the process of copying those links and pasting them here in an effort to look smart...
Stick to football, something that doesn't require a mensa level IQ. Don't you ever tire of being wrong and looking stupid?
TigerBlue4Ever didn't you know that STUPID is the new SMART? Just look at our schools graduating people who can't read, write, add, subtract, or speak articulately. Look at the leadership in Washington, D.C.! From the President to the Vice President to the Senate leadership, to House members like the squad, intelligence is now measured by how outrageously stupid you can be. The dumber you are the more the Democrats praise you.
it is in that vein of thought only that one can appreciate Mark taking the name of Mensa.
(This post was last modified: 06-25-2023 07:40 AM by JRsec.)
Does Wagner broadcast over loud speakers The Ride of the Valkyries as he advances? If not, he's missing a great opportunity to make a classic statement!
Lol. Clever.
(This post was last modified: 06-25-2023 07:41 AM by TigerBlue4Ever.)
(06-24-2023 05:35 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote: It is bizarre watching American conservatives faithfully support an ex-soviet KGB agent with imperialistic intentions… its certainly not my grandfather’s GOP. I suppose the ol’ “enemy of my enemy is my friend” adage is absolutely true, even of it runs counter to US foreign policy & national security.
If Donald Trump wasn’t a Russian asset; well, its only because they didn’t need to add him to the payroll.
This wasn't stupid enough in its original form so you had to edit it?
So many on the right have been carrying the water for Putin in belief a Putin win would be good for them, politically. Instead, it looks like they bet against the US & put their money on the wrong horse. At some point, propaganda has got to be back up, and it’s apparent Russia is the hollowed out paper tiger we were always told they were.
To think that you actually went through the process of copying those links and pasting them here in an effort to look smart...
Stick to football, something that doesn't require a mensa level IQ. Don't you ever tire of being wrong and looking stupid?
TigerBlue4Ever didn't you know that STUPID is the new SMART? Just look at our schools graduating people who can't read, write, add, subtract, or speak articulately. Look at the leadership in Washington, D.C.! From the President to the Vice President to the Senate leadership, to House members like the squad, intelligence is now measured by how outrageously stupid you can be. The dumber you are the more the Democrats praise you.
it is in that vein of thought only that one can appreciate Mark taking the name of Mensa.
It's soaked into the fabric of our society on so damn many levels.
(06-24-2023 05:35 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote: It is bizarre watching American conservatives faithfully support an ex-soviet KGB agent with imperialistic intentions… its certainly not my grandfather’s GOP. I suppose the ol’ “enemy of my enemy is my friend” adage is absolutely true, even of it runs counter to US foreign policy & national security.
If Donald Trump wasn’t a Russian asset; well, its only because they didn’t need to add him to the payroll.
Nobody is shilling for Putin. People are mocking how easily distracted and naive the Ukrainian shills are. We have no business subsidizing any of this. We get nothing from it.
(06-24-2023 05:35 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote: It is bizarre watching American conservatives faithfully support an ex-soviet KGB agent with imperialistic intentions… its certainly not my grandfather’s GOP. I suppose the ol’ “enemy of my enemy is my friend” adage is absolutely true, even of it runs counter to US foreign policy & national security.
If Donald Trump wasn’t a Russian asset; well, its only because they didn’t need to add him to the payroll.
Nobody is shilling for Putin. People are mocking how easily distracted and naive the Ukrainian shills are. We have no business subsidizing any of this. We get nothing from it.
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They shill for the trash in Ukraine with righteous indignation.
(06-24-2023 05:35 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote: It is bizarre watching American conservatives faithfully support an ex-soviet KGB agent with imperialistic intentions… its certainly not my grandfather’s GOP. I suppose the ol’ “enemy of my enemy is my friend” adage is absolutely true, even of it runs counter to US foreign policy & national security.
If Donald Trump wasn’t a Russian asset; well, its only because they didn’t need to add him to the payroll.
Says the one who has NEVER used any self reasoning or common sense deductions to any political situation. Only drinks the blue Koolaid and spews Regressive talking points sees flaws in others.
At the very least please get the log out your eye before you worry about a splinter in someone else’s.
Quote:U.S. officials have revealed that intelligence gathered in mid-June indicated Yevgeniy Prigozhin, the chief of the Wagner mercenary group, was planning armed action against the Russian defense establishment, the Washington Post reported on Saturday night.
The U.S. spy agencies promptly informed the White House and other government entities to ensure preparedness, according to the report. The specifics and timing of Prigozhin’s plans were unclear until shortly before his surprising takeover of a military command in Rostov-on-Don and a tank run toward Moscow over Friday and Saturday. While concerns regarding Russia’s nuclear arsenal and President Vladimir Putin’s hold on power arose, the primary fear was the potential instability resulting from a “civil war” within Russia.
A crucial trigger for Prigozhin was an order from the Russian Defense Ministry on June 10, requiring all volunteer detachments to sign contracts with the government. Although not explicitly mentioning Wagner, the order implied a takeover of Prigozhin’s mercenary troops, who have played a vital role in Russia’s military campaign in Ukraine and secured tactical victories.
Ukrainian military officials had been monitoring Prigozhin following the announcement and believed he might mobilize his forces against Moscow. However, the Ukrainian official was unaware of the U.S. sharing intelligence with Kyiv about Prigozhin’s potential actions.
Prigozhin, known as “Putin’s chef” due to his Kremlin catering contracts and as an internet propagandist, is also under criminal indictment in the United States for alleged interference in the 2016 presidential election. However, the Wall Street Journal reported on Saturday that the U.S. government will delay new sanctions against the Russian private military organization after its surrender.
Despite tensions between Prigozhin’s group and the Russian Ministry of Defense, Putin was aware of Prigozhin’s plans, although the exact timing of when he was informed remains unclear. Putin’s lack of action to prevent Prigozhin’s military command takeover and his advance on Moscow reflects potential internal rivalries and a lack of coordination within the Russian government.
Although Prigozhin retreated after striking a deal brokered by Belarusian President Alexander Lukashenko, including the Wagner chief’s return to Belarus, he is expected to accomplish his primary objective of a military shakeup that could lead to the removal of current Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu and Army Chief of General Staff Valery Gerasimov.
The entire episode, which led to breathless reports of a brewing “civil war” in Russia that lasted less than 24 hours, has many Americans questioning the timing. The Russian “coup” attempt flooded the headlines and crowded out lingering questions about President Joe Biden, such as emerging evidence that credibly implicates him in a bribery scheme with his son Hunter Biden.
(06-24-2023 05:35 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote: It is bizarre watching American conservatives faithfully support an ex-soviet KGB agent with imperialistic intentions… its certainly not my grandfather’s GOP. I suppose the ol’ “enemy of my enemy is my friend” adage is absolutely true, even of it runs counter to US foreign policy & national security.
If Donald Trump wasn’t a Russian asset; well, its only because they didn’t need to add him to the payroll.
Nobody is shilling for Putin. People are mocking how easily distracted and naive the Ukrainian shills are. We have no business subsidizing any of this. We get nothing from it.
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With all due respect, a full on armed coup attempt within the borders of the nation with the largest nuclear arsenal in the world is not a "distraction". Anyone ignoring what happened there or pretending it wasnt real is just exposing themselves as someone who is not facing reality. This wasnt a lost tourist sub for the mega-rich or a Nancy Grace pretty girl murder mystery from some far away resort town. This Russian situation this week was VERY real and could have gone all sorts of wrong. Plenty of geo located video evidence that Russia lost at least a half dozen choppers and fixed wing aircraft during the Wagner move as well as documentation of multiple fire fights. This was not "fake" or "bloodless" by any means.
It exposed that Russia is really less of a nation and is currently running much more like a mob family organization with various powerful "families" or power centers capable of starting an internal power struggle at any time. Even the final negotiated deal kinda reminds me of a mafia "sit down". It also exposed that portions of even the military are not as loyal to Putin as we thought. I think we could easily see Russia slip back into a messy period similar to the 1990's...and even if Putin is able to hold it all together----his eventual passing could trigger a real mess there as everyone scrambles to be the next Russian "Don".
(This post was last modified: 06-25-2023 01:38 PM by Attackcoog.)
(06-24-2023 05:35 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote: It is bizarre watching American conservatives faithfully support an ex-soviet KGB agent with imperialistic intentions… its certainly not my grandfather’s GOP. I suppose the ol’ “enemy of my enemy is my friend” adage is absolutely true, even of it runs counter to US foreign policy & national security.
If Donald Trump wasn’t a Russian asset; well, its only because they didn’t need to add him to the payroll.
Nobody is shilling for Putin. People are mocking how easily distracted and naive the Ukrainian shills are. We have no business subsidizing any of this. We get nothing from it.
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With all due respect, a full on armed coup attempt within the borders of the nation with the largest nuclear arsenal in the world is not a "distraction". Anyone ignoring what happened there or pretending it wasnt real is just exposing themselves as someone who is not facing reality. This wasnt a lost tourist sub for the mega-rich or a Nancy Grace pretty girl murder mystery from some far away resort town. This Russian situation this week was VERY real and could have gone all sorts of wrong. Plenty of geo located video evidence that Russia lost at least a half dozen choppers and fixed wing aircraft during the Wagner move as well documentation of multiple fire fights. This was not "fake" or "bloodless" by any means.
It exposed that Russia is really less of a nation and is currently running much more like a mob family organization with various powerful "families" or power centers capable of starting an internal power struggle at any time. Even the final negotiated deal kinda reminds me of a mafia "sit down". It also exposed that portions of even the military are not as loyal to Putin as we thought. I think we could easily see Russia slip back into a messy period similar to the 1990's...and even if Putin is able to hold it all together----his eventual passing could trigger a real mess there as everyone scrambles to be the next Russian "Don".
(06-24-2023 05:35 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote: It is bizarre watching American conservatives faithfully support an ex-soviet KGB agent with imperialistic intentions… its certainly not my grandfather’s GOP. I suppose the ol’ “enemy of my enemy is my friend” adage is absolutely true, even of it runs counter to US foreign policy & national security.
If Donald Trump wasn’t a Russian asset; well, its only because they didn’t need to add him to the payroll.
Nobody is shilling for Putin. People are mocking how easily distracted and naive the Ukrainian shills are. We have no business subsidizing any of this. We get nothing from it.
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
With all due respect, a full on armed coup attempt within the borders of the nation with the largest nuclear arsenal in the world is not a "distraction". Anyone ignoring what happened there or pretending it wasnt real is just exposing themselves as someone who is not facing reality. This wasnt a lost tourist sub for the mega-rich or a Nancy Grace pretty girl murder mystery from some far away resort town. This Russian situation this week was VERY real and could have gone all sorts of wrong. Plenty of geo located video evidence that Russia lost at least a half dozen choppers and fixed wing aircraft during the Wagner move as well documentation of multiple fire fights. This was not "fake" or "bloodless" by any means.
It exposed that Russia is really less of a nation and is currently running much more like a mob family organization with various powerful "families" or power centers capable of starting an internal power struggle at any time. Even the final negotiated deal kinda reminds me of a mafia "sit down". It also exposed that portions of even the military are not as loyal to Putin as we thought. I think we could easily see Russia slip back into a messy period similar to the 1990's...and even if Putin is able to hold it all together----his eventual passing could trigger a real mess there as everyone scrambles to be the next Russian "Don".
Long winded argument when you have no clue if Putin and/or Prigozhin was playing people…..especially after we just found out that the CIA knew about this for awhile and if CIA knew about this then most likely Putin knew. What were the CIA doing btw? Sitting twiddling their thumbs?
(06-24-2023 05:35 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote: It is bizarre watching American conservatives faithfully support an ex-soviet KGB agent with imperialistic intentions… its certainly not my grandfather’s GOP. I suppose the ol’ “enemy of my enemy is my friend” adage is absolutely true, even of it runs counter to US foreign policy & national security.
If Donald Trump wasn’t a Russian asset; well, its only because they didn’t need to add him to the payroll.
Nobody is shilling for Putin. People are mocking how easily distracted and naive the Ukrainian shills are. We have no business subsidizing any of this. We get nothing from it.
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
With all due respect, a full on armed coup attempt within the borders of the nation with the largest nuclear arsenal in the world is not a "distraction". Anyone ignoring what happened there or pretending it wasnt real is just exposing themselves as someone who is not facing reality. This wasnt a lost tourist sub for the mega-rich or a Nancy Grace pretty girl murder mystery from some far away resort town. This Russian situation this week was VERY real and could have gone all sorts of wrong. Plenty of geo located video evidence that Russia lost at least a half dozen choppers and fixed wing aircraft during the Wagner move as well documentation of multiple fire fights. This was not "fake" or "bloodless" by any means.
It exposed that Russia is really less of a nation and is currently running much more like a mob family organization with various powerful "families" or power centers capable of starting an internal power struggle at any time. Even the final negotiated deal kinda reminds me of a mafia "sit down". It also exposed that portions of even the military are not as loyal to Putin as we thought. I think we could easily see Russia slip back into a messy period similar to the 1990's...and even if Putin is able to hold it all together----his eventual passing could trigger a real mess there as everyone scrambles to be the next Russian "Don".
Long winded argument when you have no clue if Putin and/or Prigozhin was playing people…..especially after we just found out that the CIA knew about this for awhile and if CIA knew about this then most likely Putin knew. What were the CIA doing btw? Sitting twiddling their thumbs?
If Putin wanted to show his generals that he was weak and did not have the forces to stop even a relatively small military column from reaching Moscow---then maybe your theory would make sense. Can you explain to me why Putin would want to work with Prigozhin to expose how weak Putin was? You see this fake coup theory starts to fall apart when you pick at it even just a little bit. Would an American military column fighting its way toward Washington DC in the middle of WWII be good for FDR? Of course not. The whole idea is poppycock. This was about one of the power centers in Russia being undermined by another. Thats why I said Russia's leadership appears to run more like mafia familes than a government at this point. Its deeply corrupt with every level of leadership running a personal wealth building budget skimming operation that each fiefdom aims to keep in place.
As for the CIA----its nice to know they figured out it was coming ahead of time. Im not surprised. The CIA knew the Russian invasion of Ukraine was coming a year before it happened. Prigozhin had been a wild card for a while and the CIA has plenty of space and airborne assets that would indicate that a large portion of the Wagner group was preparing to go on the road. As JR pointed out earlier---our best play was to just let things play out and stay the heck out the internal battle. It appears thats exactly what we did.
(This post was last modified: 06-25-2023 01:43 PM by Attackcoog.)
(06-25-2023 01:13 PM)BigTigerMike Wrote: we just found out that the CIA knew about this for awhile and if CIA knew about this then most likely Putin knew. What were the CIA doing btw? Sitting twiddling their thumbs?
If so, that would probably be an improvement over what they’re usually doing.
In 1970, there was a coup in Cambodia. For once, the coup was actually in a pro-American direction. But CIA and all of Washington had been caught completely by surprise. Nobody had the slightest clue of what was happening. Nixon’s relationship with CIA was already dysfunctional to start with, but after that he distrusted them on everything.
53 years later, is anything really different? In the words of Glenn Frey, “so much has happened, but nothing has changed.”
(06-25-2023 01:13 PM)BigTigerMike Wrote: we just found out that the CIA knew about this for awhile and if CIA knew about this then most likely Putin knew. What were the CIA doing btw? Sitting twiddling their thumbs?
If so, that would probably be an improvement over what they’re usually doing.
In 1970, there was a coup in Cambodia. For once, the coup was actually in a pro-American direction. But CIA and all of Washington had been caught completely by surprise. Nobody had the slightest clue of what was happening. Nixon’s relationship with CIA was already dysfunctional to start with, but after that he distrusted them on everything.
53 years later, is anything really different? In the words of Glenn Frey, “so much has happened, but nothing has changed.”
Why did Putin's Air Force not show up during Prigozhin's slow roll to Moscow? And why, after all the threatening words and promises, did Prigozhin stop all of a sudden an hour's drive from Moscow proper? And why go to Belarus of all places? Prigozhin has to know an extra-judicial killing would be so much easier there. Maybe we'll find out what really happened one day.... Till then we get to make up stuff :-)
(This post was last modified: 06-25-2023 02:04 PM by TIGERCITY.)
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