(06-17-2023 12:50 PM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  

(06-17-2023 12:10 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(06-17-2023 12:04 PM)WalkThePlank Wrote:  

(06-16-2023 11:50 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(06-16-2023 11:48 PM)WalkThePlank Wrote:  Facts

Most people with above an 8th grade education readily identify the vast majority of the above as no more than opinion, or just rank speculation. and some statements simply false due to rank generalization.

Apparently you arent in that group able to discern that.

To be fair, your opinions suck too.

Apparently not so far to the 11th Circ. or SCOTUS in this issue. But, you be you.

And, at least I can easily recognize an issue of fact vs an issue of opinion. That seems to be stretch for some.

For example, that last sentence is an 'opinion'. While the one just before this sentence is a 'fact'. Basics like that should be important to discern. Have a wonderful day, Plankman

Fact is nobody here agrees with you, but Tommie Boi yet you continue the next chapter of War and Peace and have convinced no one.

Considering the level of 'I dont need to reed no chit' you have stated explicitly, I dont feel bad about what you denote above.

Bummer, I havent convinced a total ignorant who chooses not to read nor even consider anything that runs counter to his base thought process.

The funny part is your insistence on thinking responding to facts in testimony and facts in base documents are so coolly responded to with 7th grade name calling and taunting. All the while *bragging* that you "dont need to read that chit".

Awesome. Yeah, Im crushed, tell you *crushed* that you arent convinced...... Lolz.

(06-17-2023 05:24 PM)Eagleyed Wrote:  Why are so many Trump supporters here pretending that the outcome of the trial actually matters to them in terms of whether Trump is innocent or guilty? If he is deemed guilty not one of his supporters here is going to change their mind and suddenly think, ya I guess Trump did do it. Pretty sure Trump could murder someone in broad daylight on camera and there would be many here who would think it was a deep state hit on Trump.

And yes the same goes for the other side. Most on the left think Trump is guilty whether he comes out innocent or not.

Very few will actually look at the facts displayed and decide for themselves. They already decided long before.

Let me try and explain my point of view.

1. We know laws have been broken, ignored and weaponized to get Trump by his political enemies. THAT IS NOT DEBATABLE!

2. We know Trump is pissed and he doesn’t take losing well. Some would say that’s a character flaw and I wouldn’t disagree.

3. Trump had documents at ML. All presidents keep papers for their library or as simple mementoes. We all agree on that I believe. All recent ex’s have had negotiations with NARA for the possession of some documents. In some cases (Barry) they did not get what they wanted yet rather agreed to let him store them. We don’t know what Trump had and will never know if they are what the DOJ says they are. Very convenient I would think.

4. The real effort to turn this into a criminal situation started after Trump announced his campaign for president.

5. Now for the difference with many here. This has not a damn thing to do with the man Donald Trump. It has everything to do with the survival of our country as one of and probably the only one in the world where politics and politicians cannot put their dirty little fingers on the scale of justice.
So I have come to the realization that whichever here is right, one can honestly burn the country down and one would have no effect on anything. I base that on the belief that whatever Trump had would not have endangered our democracy and what these political hacks have done is unprecedented and dangerous. It did not need to be done.

(06-17-2023 06:22 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(06-17-2023 12:50 PM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  

(06-17-2023 12:10 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(06-17-2023 12:04 PM)WalkThePlank Wrote:  

(06-16-2023 11:50 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  Most people with above an 8th grade education readily identify the vast majority of the above as no more than opinion, or just rank speculation. and some statements simply false due to rank generalization.

Apparently you arent in that group able to discern that.

To be fair, your opinions suck too.

Apparently not so far to the 11th Circ. or SCOTUS in this issue. But, you be you.

And, at least I can easily recognize an issue of fact vs an issue of opinion. That seems to be stretch for some.

For example, that last sentence is an 'opinion'. While the one just before this sentence is a 'fact'. Basics like that should be important to discern. Have a wonderful day, Plankman

Fact is nobody here agrees with you, but Tommie Boi yet you continue the next chapter of War and Peace and have convinced no one.

Considering the level of 'I dont need to reed no chit' you have stated explicitly, I dont feel bad about what you denote above.

Bummer, I havent convinced a total ignorant who chooses not to read nor even consider anything that runs counter to his base thought process.

The funny part is your insistence on thinking responding to facts in testimony and facts in base documents are so coolly responded to with 7th grade name calling and taunting. All the while *bragging* that you "dont need to read that chit".

Awesome. Yeah, Im crushed, tell you *crushed* that you arent convinced...... Lolz.

It’s ‘read’.

(06-17-2023 06:47 PM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  

(06-17-2023 06:22 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(06-17-2023 12:50 PM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  

(06-17-2023 12:10 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(06-17-2023 12:04 PM)WalkThePlank Wrote:  To be fair, your opinions suck too.

Apparently not so far to the 11th Circ. or SCOTUS in this issue. But, you be you.

And, at least I can easily recognize an issue of fact vs an issue of opinion. That seems to be stretch for some.

For example, that last sentence is an 'opinion'. While the one just before this sentence is a 'fact'. Basics like that should be important to discern. Have a wonderful day, Plankman

Fact is nobody here agrees with you, but Tommie Boi yet you continue the next chapter of War and Peace and have convinced no one.

Considering the level of 'I dont need to reed no chit' you have stated explicitly, I dont feel bad about what you denote above.

Bummer, I havent convinced a total ignorant who chooses not to read nor even consider anything that runs counter to his base thought process.

The funny part is your insistence on thinking responding to facts in testimony and facts in base documents are so coolly responded to with 7th grade name calling and taunting. All the while *bragging* that you "dont need to read that chit".

Awesome. Yeah, Im crushed, tell you *crushed* that you arent convinced...... Lolz.

It’s ‘read’.

Ooh boy, a typo error. Have to wake up *pretty early the morning* to get one past the dude that explicitly brags that he 'dont need to reed that chit' to escape having to deal with anything that runs against his worldview.

I put it in again so you would feel extra 'special' today......

(06-17-2023 06:43 PM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  

(06-17-2023 05:24 PM)Eagleyed Wrote:  Why are so many Trump supporters here pretending that the outcome of the trial actually matters to them in terms of whether Trump is innocent or guilty? If he is deemed guilty not one of his supporters here is going to change their mind and suddenly think, ya I guess Trump did do it. Pretty sure Trump could murder someone in broad daylight on camera and there would be many here who would think it was a deep state hit on Trump.

And yes the same goes for the other side. Most on the left think Trump is guilty whether he comes out innocent or not.

Very few will actually look at the facts displayed and decide for themselves. They already decided long before.

Let me try and explain my point of view.

1. We know laws have been broken, ignored and weaponized to get Trump by his political enemies. THAT IS NOT DEBATABLE!

2. We know Trump is pissed and he doesn’t take losing well. Some would say that’s a character flaw and I wouldn’t disagree.

3. Trump had documents at ML. All presidents keep papers for their library or as simple mementoes. We all agree on that I believe. All recent ex’s have had negotiations with NARA for the possession of some documents. In some cases (Barry) they did not get what they wanted yet rather agreed to let him store them. We don’t know what Trump had and will never know if they are what the DOJ says they are. Very convenient I would think.

4. The real effort to turn this into a criminal situation started after Trump announced his campaign for president.

5. Now for the difference with many here. This has not a damn thing to do with the man Donald Trump. It has everything to do with the survival of our country as one of and probably the only one in the world where politics and politicians cannot put their dirty little fingers on the scale of justice.
So I have come to the realization that whichever here is right, one can honestly burn the country down and one would have no effect on anything. I base that on the belief that whatever Trump had would not have endangered our democracy and what these political hacks have done is unprecedented and dangerous. It did not need to be done.

Here's another difference. I don't believe the man who appointed our super corrupt FBI head. Who gave Fauci his national speaking platform at press conferences, who appointed Barr who was too busy going after drugs to investigate dems, who appointed James Mattis to defense where he was an outspoken supporter of the BLM riots, who appointed white house Chief of Staff who has said Trump should be impeached, and who once again openly supported the BLM riots. He appointed Homeland security chief Tom Bossert who criticized Americans for not wearing face masks.

Nearly every time I read about the government investigating the catholic church, or parents speaking out at school board meetings. It's always a Trump appointee whose leading the charge.

This goes beyond things I've seen him flat out lie on like when he used a marker to include Alabama on a hurricane chart just to cover for the fact that he mispoke and said the hurricane would hit Alabama. Or the fact of him increasing the deficit more than Obama ever did.

So the reason I look far more into Trump's issues, is because I sure as heck don't think he's the man who can drain the swamp when he was so busy filling it.

His wounds so many times are self inflicted.

Do some of you just not realize how mentally ill your TDS makes you look?

(06-17-2023 07:14 PM)Eagleyed Wrote:  

(06-17-2023 06:43 PM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  

(06-17-2023 05:24 PM)Eagleyed Wrote:  Why are so many Trump supporters here pretending that the outcome of the trial actually matters to them in terms of whether Trump is innocent or guilty? If he is deemed guilty not one of his supporters here is going to change their mind and suddenly think, ya I guess Trump did do it. Pretty sure Trump could murder someone in broad daylight on camera and there would be many here who would think it was a deep state hit on Trump.

And yes the same goes for the other side. Most on the left think Trump is guilty whether he comes out innocent or not.

Very few will actually look at the facts displayed and decide for themselves. They already decided long before.

Let me try and explain my point of view.

1. We know laws have been broken, ignored and weaponized to get Trump by his political enemies. THAT IS NOT DEBATABLE!

2. We know Trump is pissed and he doesn’t take losing well. Some would say that’s a character flaw and I wouldn’t disagree.

3. Trump had documents at ML. All presidents keep papers for their library or as simple mementoes. We all agree on that I believe. All recent ex’s have had negotiations with NARA for the possession of some documents. In some cases (Barry) they did not get what they wanted yet rather agreed to let him store them. We don’t know what Trump had and will never know if they are what the DOJ says they are. Very convenient I would think.

4. The real effort to turn this into a criminal situation started after Trump announced his campaign for president.

5. Now for the difference with many here. This has not a damn thing to do with the man Donald Trump. It has everything to do with the survival of our country as one of and probably the only one in the world where politics and politicians cannot put their dirty little fingers on the scale of justice.
So I have come to the realization that whichever here is right, one can honestly burn the country down and one would have no effect on anything. I base that on the belief that whatever Trump had would not have endangered our democracy and what these political hacks have done is unprecedented and dangerous. It did not need to be done.

Here's another difference. I don't believe the man who appointed our super corrupt FBI head. Who gave Fauci his national speaking platform at press conferences, who appointed Barr who was too busy going after drugs to investigate dems, who appointed James Mattis to defense where he was an outspoken supporter of the BLM riots, who appointed white house Chief of Staff who has said Trump should be impeached, and who once again openly supported the BLM riots. He appointed Homeland security chief Tom Bossert who criticized Americans for not wearing face masks.

Nearly every time I read about the government investigating the catholic church, or parents speaking out at school board meetings. It's always a Trump appointee whose leading the charge.

This goes beyond things I've seen him flat out lie on like when he used a marker to include Alabama on a hurricane chart just to cover for the fact that he mispoke and said the hurricane would hit Alabama. Or the fact of him increasing the deficit more than Obama ever did.

So the reason I look far more into Trump's issues, is because I sure as heck don't think he's the man who can drain the swamp when he was so busy filling it.

His wounds so many times are self inflicted.

Well I tried to explain it had nothing to do with him but I guess you missed that part.

(06-17-2023 07:44 PM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  Well I tried to explain it had nothing to do with him but I guess you missed that part.

They just don't get that. They can't get it apparently. EVERYTHING is about him.

(06-17-2023 07:54 PM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  

(06-17-2023 07:44 PM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  Well I tried to explain it had nothing to do with him but I guess you missed that part.

They just don't get that. They can't get it apparently. EVERYTHING is about him.

Speaking as another who from time to time has had a few unpleasant things to say about Donald Trump, you have my promise that I will stop doing so the moment he removes his bloated presence from seeking an office for which he is completely unfit to serve.

I’m not fully on board with all of Ee’s list of charges (I thought Bill Barr did a first-rate job as AG, and couldn’t give a rip about Trump’s geography ignorance), but Ee has otherwise offered a pretty thorough listing of why Donald should just do the sensible thing and stand down.

Of course, sensible and Donald are two words that do not belong in the same sentence.

And, because I know that there is a Trumplet out there dying to put words in my mouth, this stated opinion has NOTHING to do with the illegitimate indictment. I hope that Donald fights it to the end, and has the prosecutors disbarred and the Garland/Wray political machine destroyed. It has everything to do with Donald’s hellbent mission to force upon the country his own self-created mess.

(06-17-2023 08:36 PM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  

(06-17-2023 07:54 PM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  

(06-17-2023 07:44 PM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  Well I tried to explain it had nothing to do with him but I guess you missed that part.

They just don't get that. They can't get it apparently. EVERYTHING is about him.

Speaking as another who from time to time has had a few unpleasant things to say about Donald Trump, you have my promise that I will stop doing so the moment he removes his bloated presence from seeking an office for which he is completely unfit to serve.

I’m not fully on board with all of Ee’s list of charges (I thought Bill Barr did a first-rate job as AG, and couldn’t give a rip about Trump’s geography ignorance), but Ee has otherwise offered a pretty thorough listing of why Donald should just do the sensible thing and stand down.

Of course, sensible and Donald are two words that do not belong in the same sentence.

And, because I know that there is a Trumplet out there dying to put words in my mouth, this stated opinion has NOTHING to do with the illegitimate indictment. I hope that Donald fights it to the end, and has the prosecutors disbarred and the Garland/Wray political machine destroyed. It has everything to do with Donald’s hellbent mission to force upon the country his own self-created mess.

Specifically what did Bill Barr do to earn your admiration.

So you'd rather have a pos Democrat as President AM?

(06-17-2023 08:43 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(06-17-2023 08:36 PM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  

(06-17-2023 07:54 PM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  

(06-17-2023 07:44 PM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  Well I tried to explain it had nothing to do with him but I guess you missed that part.

They just don't get that. They can't get it apparently. EVERYTHING is about him.

Speaking as another who from time to time has had a few unpleasant things to say about Donald Trump, you have my promise that I will stop doing so the moment he removes his bloated presence from seeking an office for which he is completely unfit to serve.

I’m not fully on board with all of Ee’s list of charges (I thought Bill Barr did a first-rate job as AG, and couldn’t give a rip about Trump’s geography ignorance), but Ee has otherwise offered a pretty thorough listing of why Donald should just do the sensible thing and stand down.

Of course, sensible and Donald are two words that do not belong in the same sentence.

And, because I know that there is a Trumplet out there dying to put words in my mouth, this stated opinion has NOTHING to do with the illegitimate indictment. I hope that Donald fights it to the end, and has the prosecutors disbarred and the Garland/Wray political machine destroyed. It has everything to do with Donald’s hellbent mission to force upon the country his own self-created mess.

Specifically what did Bill Barr do to earn your admiration.

I'm guessing he's cool with Barr's beta-blocker, no frills attitude ...

(06-16-2023 06:32 AM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  All the debauchery going on in our country, all the festering evil, much of it aimed at children, all the misery and suffering and mental illness, and yet most of what you see on TV or online is Trump Trump Trump. He’s like some dime store Jesus that a huge part of the population has given their soul to. Or a dime store Satan for many, like you.

So many people spending huge chunks of their lives thinking about and debating about and arguing about and obsessing about Donald J Trump, while I frankly don’t think he makes a difference either way at this point. The evil that pervades this country, hell the entire world it seems, that appears to hold all of us in its grasp, is far greater than him. He’s just another distraction for all us little people.

It’s basically how magic tricks work. “Hey look over there”.

I might suggest a read or reread of Thomas Mann's "Mario and the Magician". Distraction and the cult of personality are strong in this nation because of our failure to believe in two things. (1) A power greater than ourselves: God to whom we are all answerable, or ideals which are bigger than self. It holds us all to standards greater than self and profit. (2) Belief in ourselves, our own capacity to think, our own desire to see what is good, and to do what is necessary to defeat evil and promote good.

If you don't believe in a higher power, a life to come, you will cower in fear before the powerful and live in bondage under their power and control. If you don't believe in yourself that bondage will never be overthrown.

Just because some people have the clout and power of money to make their will and world view dominant, it doesn't make them right. And when the dominant get their way, unchecked by what is good for all, destruction has always followed.

We are oppressed. We are oppressed by Godless corruption, which is always the rule when love of self is amplified by will and power in the form of fatal narcissism. Raise a generation or two who hates correction, can't admit they are wrong, and punish all who try to teach them, and destruction (hell) is what follows.

We are there, and up to our chins in the narcissistic manure of these demonic lovers of self.

As the cartoon once astutely observed (Pogo), "We have met the enemy and he is us!"

If we straightened ourselves out and worked together, we would still be greater than Russia and China. As long as we are at each other's throats, as long as we assume that because you are wealthy you are right, and as long as we are more concerned with profits than what is just, we are accomplishing little more than a national suicide!

Reform ourselves and regain the focus of doing what is in the best interest of the whole nation rather than what is good for the corporation which lines our pockets, and we can survive and thrive.

If we don't we will all be dead within a few decades.

(06-17-2023 08:36 PM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  

(06-17-2023 07:54 PM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  

(06-17-2023 07:44 PM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  Well I tried to explain it had nothing to do with him but I guess you missed that part.

They just don't get that. They can't get it apparently. EVERYTHING is about him.

Speaking as another who from time to time has had a few unpleasant things to say about Donald Trump, you have my promise that I will stop doing so the moment he removes his bloated presence from seeking an office for which he is completely unfit to serve.

I’m not fully on board with all of Ee’s list of charges (I thought Bill Barr did a first-rate job as AG, and couldn’t give a rip about Trump’s geography ignorance), but Ee has otherwise offered a pretty thorough listing of why Donald should just do the sensible thing and stand down.

Of course, sensible and Donald are two words that do not belong in the same sentence.

And, because I know that there is a Trumplet out there dying to put words in my mouth, this stated opinion has NOTHING to do with the illegitimate indictment. I hope that Donald fights it to the end, and has the prosecutors disbarred and the Garland/Wray political machine destroyed. It has everything to do with Donald’s hellbent mission to force upon the country his own self-created mess.

The anger is strong in this one. How does it go? Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering.
Just make sure if you are going to suffer you do it hating the right things.

(06-17-2023 08:55 PM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  So you'd rather have a pos Democrat as President AM?

No. But I prefer to have a non-p.o.s. Democrat, if we are put to that choice.

Edit (from the Royal Farms rest stop in Ardmore, VA):

I answered your question poorly, Bartlett. My own preferences are meaningless. What matters is who can beat the pos Democrat in 2024. It’s not Donald Trump. He will find some way to lose disgracefully.

So the question goes back to you, since you are white-knighting for Trump on at least this particular thread: would you rather have a pos Democrat as president? If not, you may want to think about being a bit more vocal on your concerns (which I know you have) about Donald’s many serious shortcomings.

(06-17-2023 08:43 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(06-17-2023 08:36 PM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  

(06-17-2023 07:54 PM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  

(06-17-2023 07:44 PM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  Well I tried to explain it had nothing to do with him but I guess you missed that part.

They just don't get that. They can't get it apparently. EVERYTHING is about him.

Speaking as another who from time to time has had a few unpleasant things to say about Donald Trump, you have my promise that I will stop doing so the moment he removes his bloated presence from seeking an office for which he is completely unfit to serve.

I’m not fully on board with all of Ee’s list of charges (I thought Bill Barr did a first-rate job as AG, and couldn’t give a rip about Trump’s geography ignorance), but Ee has otherwise offered a pretty thorough listing of why Donald should just do the sensible thing and stand down.

Of course, sensible and Donald are two words that do not belong in the same sentence.

And, because I know that there is a Trumplet out there dying to put words in my mouth, this stated opinion has NOTHING to do with the illegitimate indictment. I hope that Donald fights it to the end, and has the prosecutors disbarred and the Garland/Wray political machine destroyed. It has everything to do with Donald’s hellbent mission to force upon the country his own self-created mess.

Specifically what did Bill Barr do to earn your admiration.

Kept the interests of the nation first and foremost, and stuck to his principles.

Difficult balance to pull off, when the nation is being led by someone who defined “bests interests of the nation” as his own best interests.

(06-17-2023 10:12 PM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  

(06-17-2023 08:36 PM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  

(06-17-2023 07:54 PM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  

(06-17-2023 07:44 PM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  Well I tried to explain it had nothing to do with him but I guess you missed that part.

They just don't get that. They can't get it apparently. EVERYTHING is about him.

Speaking as another who from time to time has had a few unpleasant things to say about Donald Trump, you have my promise that I will stop doing so the moment he removes his bloated presence from seeking an office for which he is completely unfit to serve.

I’m not fully on board with all of Ee’s list of charges (I thought Bill Barr did a first-rate job as AG, and couldn’t give a rip about Trump’s geography ignorance), but Ee has otherwise offered a pretty thorough listing of why Donald should just do the sensible thing and stand down.

Of course, sensible and Donald are two words that do not belong in the same sentence.

And, because I know that there is a Trumplet out there dying to put words in my mouth, this stated opinion has NOTHING to do with the illegitimate indictment. I hope that Donald fights it to the end, and has the prosecutors disbarred and the Garland/Wray political machine destroyed. It has everything to do with Donald’s hellbent mission to force upon the country his own self-created mess.

The anger is strong in this one. How does it go? Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering.
Just make sure if you are going to suffer you do it hating the right things.

It’s possible. They say that others know us better than we know ourselves.

In any event, Happy Father’s Day. I’m off to Philadelphia to pay a visit to my 98-year-old dad.

I seriously hope you are not arguing with people here while at a rest stop on a road trip.

Good Lord, people.

Is some pointless, fruitless argument here so important you can't even step away long enough for a road trip on Fathers day?

There’s no wisdom like road wisdom. (Posted from the Royal Farms in Dagsboro, DE.)

Enjoy your day with your dad.