I've been amused by this thread and the contributions of one loon in particular. So much stupid to unpack...

(06-16-2023 12:55 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(06-16-2023 12:36 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(06-16-2023 10:23 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(06-16-2023 10:12 AM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  

Lying to the Feds, submitting a false sworn declaration, actively hiding classified documents from searches, blowing off grand jury subpoenas, telling your lawyers to destroy evidence --- is a "paperwork dispute"?

The things you learn from twitter.

The issue is that I do believe that Schiff should be censured, or worse. No doubt. Schiff's role in Russiagate and actively propelling that in the absence of real evidence is sickening.

But Kirk blows his foot off in the intro.

Kirk's tweet highlights the *major* problem with both sides presently.

Unfortunately the thing is we don't know that it was really anything more than a paperwork dispute. Do you trust any of the govt agencies involved to take what they claim at face value when reading the indictment? Whether you love, hate, tolerate, or hold any level of disdain for Trump on a personal level its almost impossible to deny that every level of the establishment or 'deep state' has been after him with virtually all of the power at their disposal since he won the republican nomination for 16. It's the govt's word against Trump's and we saw what they did to him while in office. Given the weakness of their previous attempts to impeach him and the years of 100% lying, I don't know that you could find 12 jurors that would agree to convict him.

It very could have been at the outset a mere paperwork dispute. No doubt here on that.

Trump *chose* to perform every action to escalate it to far more than an easliy solved paperwork dispute.

I dont understand the 'its the Govts word'. The facts are simple, and are in the judicial record.

Trump took a lot of stuff that he shouldnt have.

NARA said we need some of the things back.

Trump sent some back, and sent back some highly classified material.

NARA forwarded this to the DOJ.

The DOJ Counter Intel folks tried to get more back of what they suspected was still there.

Trump stonewalled.

DOJ got a subpoena.

Trump actively obstructed the subpoena, in various ways.

Trump, after hoodwinking his own attorneys, and after telling his own attorneys to lie, sent back 15 documents. He also submitted a declaration under oath that no other documents were there.

The DOJ got ahold of the videos of the areas, which showed a *lot* of boxes flowing hither and yonder, and became even more suspicious that there were more documents, and became concerned that the declaration was false. Itself a felony.

They then got a warrant and executed a search a seizure. And found a trove of stuff that proved that Trump lied in the declaration, at a minimum.

He had multiple branch points to de-escalate, and instead, decided to otherwise. Some of the actions of those 'otherwise' decisions are themselves criminal acts.

It *could* have been nothing more than a paperwork error. Trump worked diligently to escalate it to far more than a paperwork error.

You pinhead moronotron. The government criminals worked hard and diligently to make this into more than a paperwork dispute. And gullible wanna be lawyers such as yourself read this indictment as the final truth.

I’ll give you a chance out now. Do you think this will go to court? How much more “evidence” do you think will “leak out” between now and the time this whole sordid affair is filed away as another soft coup?

(06-16-2023 08:56 PM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  You pinhead moronotron. The government criminals worked hard and diligently to make this into more than a paperwork dispute. And gullible wanna be lawyers such as yourself read this indictment as the final truth.

I’ll give you a chance out now. Do you think this will go to court? How much more “evidence” do you think will “leak out” between now and the time this whole sordid affair is filed away as another soft coup?

maximus has been trying in vain to make a wager with him about this. Put your money where your mouth is kinda thing.

(06-16-2023 01:22 PM)MileHighBronco Wrote:  

(06-16-2023 12:53 PM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  Bolded statement #2: I 100% agree. Our nation is badly in need of an awakening. Is Donald Trump the vehicle to make that happen? His supporters clearly think so. I don't. I think he is nothing but a one-way ticket to more needless anguish for our country. We do not deserve any more of his brand of "winning".

So, let's go back to the standard issue, milquetoast Republican that talks a great game but then doesn't do sh!t?

Look at the list of GOP candidates who are 'running' to be President.

DeSantis - no charisma, poor speaker. Of all the 'others' he is the only one who might actually DO something.

Mike Pence - establishment all the way. No charisma. Same old, same old. Hell no.

Tim Scott - don't have much negative to say, but for me, he doesn't move the needle much. Says a lot that sounds good but......no track record.

Nikki Haley - another establishment hack. Hell no.

Vivek Ramaswamy - outsider, says a lot that sounds good. No political experience.

Chris Christie - Another establishment hack who just wants more power. Hell no.

Asa Hutchinson - Yet another establishment hack. Hard pass.

Doug Burgum - a mostly unknown former software entrepreneur, 2 time North Dakota Governor. Doesn't move the needle a mm

Larry Elder - while I like him as a commentator, he has no political experience

Francis Suarez - Announced a run on June 15, 2 term Miami Mayor and President of the U.S. Conference of Mayors. Not enough info on him.



The GOP is trying their hardest to ignore the will of a large segment of their base and push anybody but Trump. They want establishment candidates which will insure that their status as "surrender monkeys" will not change and of course, nothing will change in D.C.

The reason many support Trump is that he is beholden to nobody - doesn't need their $$, and supporters feel that he is fighting for them, to stop the onslaught of the government against the people.

We are not electing a pastor for our church. Trump has lots of personal personality issues that some cite as the reason they won't vote for him. I simply ask these people, "do you want change?" If yes, none of the other GOP candidates, with the possible exception of DeSantis, will bring change. The others will bring more of the same that we've seen. RESULTS matter and Trump does have a track record, all in the face of relentless attacks by the left and the establishment right.

Well said.

(06-16-2023 07:00 PM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(06-16-2023 09:22 AM)MemTigers1998 Wrote:  

(06-16-2023 09:08 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(06-16-2023 09:01 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(06-16-2023 07:49 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Interesting...sorta sounds like the stuff of dictators. Which is exactly why I say trump is a threat to our democracy.

But as you hint at...there's zero guarantee this would be done solely for our country and NOT for him personally.

Trump is far from anything resembling a dictator. His actions were likewise far from any that a dictator would have taken.

Mostly because he's not currently in the WH. God help us if he's elected again.

Yeah, God help us. We certainly don’t need a person who has demonstrated he’ll put America first and build a booming economy. We need a senile pedo beholden to the Chinks and driving inflation thru the roof instead. Good times!

Tom thinks that's perfectly fine.

I find it hard to believe God would help Tommy Boi.

(06-16-2023 08:56 PM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  

(06-16-2023 12:55 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(06-16-2023 12:36 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(06-16-2023 10:23 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(06-16-2023 10:12 AM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  

Lying to the Feds, submitting a false sworn declaration, actively hiding classified documents from searches, blowing off grand jury subpoenas, telling your lawyers to destroy evidence --- is a "paperwork dispute"?

The things you learn from twitter.

The issue is that I do believe that Schiff should be censured, or worse. No doubt. Schiff's role in Russiagate and actively propelling that in the absence of real evidence is sickening.

But Kirk blows his foot off in the intro.

Kirk's tweet highlights the *major* problem with both sides presently.

Unfortunately the thing is we don't know that it was really anything more than a paperwork dispute. Do you trust any of the govt agencies involved to take what they claim at face value when reading the indictment? Whether you love, hate, tolerate, or hold any level of disdain for Trump on a personal level its almost impossible to deny that every level of the establishment or 'deep state' has been after him with virtually all of the power at their disposal since he won the republican nomination for 16. It's the govt's word against Trump's and we saw what they did to him while in office. Given the weakness of their previous attempts to impeach him and the years of 100% lying, I don't know that you could find 12 jurors that would agree to convict him.

It very could have been at the outset a mere paperwork dispute. No doubt here on that.

Trump *chose* to perform every action to escalate it to far more than an easliy solved paperwork dispute.

I dont understand the 'its the Govts word'. The facts are simple, and are in the judicial record.

Trump took a lot of stuff that he shouldnt have.

NARA said we need some of the things back.

Trump sent some back, and sent back some highly classified material.

NARA forwarded this to the DOJ.

The DOJ Counter Intel folks tried to get more back of what they suspected was still there.

Trump stonewalled.

DOJ got a subpoena.

Trump actively obstructed the subpoena, in various ways.

Trump, after hoodwinking his own attorneys, and after telling his own attorneys to lie, sent back 15 documents. He also submitted a declaration under oath that no other documents were there.

The DOJ got ahold of the videos of the areas, which showed a *lot* of boxes flowing hither and yonder, and became even more suspicious that there were more documents, and became concerned that the declaration was false. Itself a felony.

They then got a warrant and executed a search a seizure. And found a trove of stuff that proved that Trump lied in the declaration, at a minimum.

He had multiple branch points to de-escalate, and instead, decided to otherwise. Some of the actions of those 'otherwise' decisions are themselves criminal acts.

It *could* have been nothing more than a paperwork error. Trump worked diligently to escalate it to far more than a paperwork error.

You pinhead moronotron.

When you cant cite facts, go 7th grade name calling. Brilliant.

Quote:The government criminals worked hard and diligently to make this into more than a paperwork dispute.

And at each and every turn that *Trump* could have de-escalated -- he didnt. Yep, poor Trump. Poor victim Trump.

I would agree with *if* Trump had taken *any* opportunity to 'come clean'. He didnt.

No one put a gun to his head and said 'pack up the classified documents and leave with them.'

No one put a gun to his head and said 'refuse to turn them over to NARA'.

No one put a gun to his head and said 'refuse to turn them over after a simple request by the DOJ.'

No one put a gun to his head and said 'tell your attorneys to lie about them in responding to the subpoena.'

No one put a gun to his head and said 'hide the documents from your attorneys so they wont find them'.

No one put a gun to his head and said 'ensure the attorney search will fail, and make sure the attorneys submit a false declaration.'

Did someone *force* Donald to do *any* of the above? Love to hear it if you can. Facts. Not whiny stuff like above. Im all ears.

On top of that, no one put a gun to Donald's head and said 'you must refer to Classified Documents' as "my documents".

All of that is in the record, most of that is in a record that Donald had every ability to challenge -- and did not.

But here you are crying in the street about how Donald is the poor, poor victim. And apparently the big, bad, evil government folks forced Donald to do all of those steps above. Pretty impressive feat if true..... lolz.

Quote:And gullible wanna be lawyers such as yourself read this indictment as the final truth.

I read the facts stated as such. I doubt Trump will have any counter facts to those that are in the indictment and noted as sworn testimony in front of the grand jury.

Quote:I’ll give you a chance out now. Do you think this will go to court? How much more “evidence” do you think will “leak out” between now and the time this whole sordid affair is filed away as another soft coup?

Soft coup? Donald doesnt even hold an office, dude.....


I'll give you an out --
Did someone *force* Donald to do *any* of the above? Please state all the facts that show Trump was forced into all or any of his actions above.

Or jsut cry, whine, and keep slinging your fists into the sand pile which in a verbal-style temper tantrum which you seemingly do in your last post.

A+ for crying and gnashing your teeth.

C on rhetoric.

F on anything substantive.

A- on middle school style name-calling.

(06-16-2023 09:00 PM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  

(06-16-2023 08:56 PM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  You pinhead moronotron. The government criminals worked hard and diligently to make this into more than a paperwork dispute. And gullible wanna be lawyers such as yourself read this indictment as the final truth.

I’ll give you a chance out now. Do you think this will go to court? How much more “evidence” do you think will “leak out” between now and the time this whole sordid affair is filed away as another soft coup?

maximus has been trying in vain to make a wager with him about this. Put your money where your mouth is kinda thing.

I guess you missed where I accepted his 'name your bet'. I think it was a 40 dollar Starbucks card.

Im not into the epeen thing much.

(06-16-2023 09:34 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(06-16-2023 08:56 PM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  

(06-16-2023 12:55 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(06-16-2023 12:36 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(06-16-2023 10:23 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  Lying to the Feds, submitting a false sworn declaration, actively hiding classified documents from searches, blowing off grand jury subpoenas, telling your lawyers to destroy evidence --- is a "paperwork dispute"?

The things you learn from twitter.

The issue is that I do believe that Schiff should be censured, or worse. No doubt. Schiff's role in Russiagate and actively propelling that in the absence of real evidence is sickening.

But Kirk blows his foot off in the intro.

Kirk's tweet highlights the *major* problem with both sides presently.

Unfortunately the thing is we don't know that it was really anything more than a paperwork dispute. Do you trust any of the govt agencies involved to take what they claim at face value when reading the indictment? Whether you love, hate, tolerate, or hold any level of disdain for Trump on a personal level its almost impossible to deny that every level of the establishment or 'deep state' has been after him with virtually all of the power at their disposal since he won the republican nomination for 16. It's the govt's word against Trump's and we saw what they did to him while in office. Given the weakness of their previous attempts to impeach him and the years of 100% lying, I don't know that you could find 12 jurors that would agree to convict him.

It very could have been at the outset a mere paperwork dispute. No doubt here on that.

Trump *chose* to perform every action to escalate it to far more than an easliy solved paperwork dispute.

I dont understand the 'its the Govts word'. The facts are simple, and are in the judicial record.

Trump took a lot of stuff that he shouldnt have.

NARA said we need some of the things back.

Trump sent some back, and sent back some highly classified material.

NARA forwarded this to the DOJ.

The DOJ Counter Intel folks tried to get more back of what they suspected was still there.

Trump stonewalled.

DOJ got a subpoena.

Trump actively obstructed the subpoena, in various ways.

Trump, after hoodwinking his own attorneys, and after telling his own attorneys to lie, sent back 15 documents. He also submitted a declaration under oath that no other documents were there.

The DOJ got ahold of the videos of the areas, which showed a *lot* of boxes flowing hither and yonder, and became even more suspicious that there were more documents, and became concerned that the declaration was false. Itself a felony.

They then got a warrant and executed a search a seizure. And found a trove of stuff that proved that Trump lied in the declaration, at a minimum.

He had multiple branch points to de-escalate, and instead, decided to otherwise. Some of the actions of those 'otherwise' decisions are themselves criminal acts.

It *could* have been nothing more than a paperwork error. Trump worked diligently to escalate it to far more than a paperwork error.

You pinhead moronotron.

When you cant cite facts, go 7th grade name calling. Brilliant.

Quote:The government criminals worked hard and diligently to make this into more than a paperwork dispute.

And at each and every turn that *Trump* could have de-escalated -- he didnt. Yep, poor Trump. Poor victim Trump.

I would agree with *if* Trump had taken *any* opportunity to 'come clean'. He didnt.

No one put a gun to his head and said 'pack up the classified documents and leave with them.'

No one put a gun to his head and said 'refuse to turn them over to NARA'.

No one put a gun to his head and said 'refuse to turn them over after a simple request by the DOJ.'

No one put a gun to his head and said 'tell your attorneys to lie about them in responding to the subpoena.'

No one put a gun to his head and said 'hide the documents from your attorneys so they wont find them'.

No one put a gun to his head and said 'ensure the attorney search will fail, and make sure the attorneys submit a false declaration.'

Did someone *force* Donald to do *any* of the above? Love to hear it if you can. Facts. Not whiny stuff like above. Im all ears.

On top of that, no one put a gun to Donald's head and said 'you must refer to Classified Documents' as "my documents".

All of that is in the record, most of that is in a record that Donald had every ability to challenge -- and did not.

But here you are crying in the street about how Donald is the poor, poor victim. And apparently the big, bad, evil government folks forced Donald to do all of those steps above. Pretty impressive feat if true..... lolz.

Quote:And gullible wanna be lawyers such as yourself read this indictment as the final truth.

I read the facts stated as such. I doubt Trump will have any counter facts to those that are in the indictment and noted as sworn testimony in front of the grand jury.

Quote:I’ll give you a chance out now. Do you think this will go to court? How much more “evidence” do you think will “leak out” between now and the time this whole sordid affair is filed away as another soft coup?

Soft coup? Donald doesnt even hold an office, dude.....


I'll give you an out --
Did someone *force* Donald to do *any* of the above? Please state all the facts that show Trump was forced into all or any of his actions above.

Or jsut cry, whine, and keep slinging your fists into the sand pile which in a verbal-style temper tantrum which you seemingly do in your last post.

A+ for crying and gnashing your teeth.

C on rhetoric.

F on anything substantive.

A- on middle school style name-calling.

A-? You ass. Didn’t answer all the questions I see. Why not?

SMH!

He didn’t create anything. His enemies did and I’m not talking about mere partisan democrats, which is there but the fact remain it’s a small cabal that desires things in DC to run their way and Trumps presence brought these people out of the shadows

Facts:

1.In a historical & unprecedented way, leadership of the FBI open a bogus investigation into a major party nominee spurred on by partisans and by those [Comey] who admitted that this nominee was a threat in their mind and so they took it upon themselves to intervene and violated a lot of their supposed principles and standards

2. A bogus scandal engulfed his Administration for 3 years spurred on by a frenzied media 24/7 that ran with what anonymous sources [FBI, CIA, Congress] told them about this bogus scandal without stopping and questioning it

3. FBI and other agencies withheld damaging information from the American people and the President and more importantly didn’t seem to want to open an investigation about a former VP while the President was being impeached for asking questions about those very same corruption allegations about that person.


4. FBI and other agencies were involved in Jan 6 in some way according court documents and didn’t stop the events that unfolded

5. In unprecedented way the former President home was raided by his opposition and now he’s indicted by his opposition after the current President suggested that ‘we’ were going make sure he doesn’t take power if he ran through various ways.

(06-16-2023 09:47 PM)BigTigerMike Wrote:  SMH!

He didn’t create anything. His enemies did and I’m not talking about mere partisan democrats, which is there but the fact remain it’s a small cabal that desires things in DC to run their way and Trumps presence brought these people out of the shadows

Facts:

1.In a historical & unprecedented way, leadership of the FBI open a bogus investigation into a major party nominee spurred on by partisans and by those [Comey] who admitted that this nominee was a threat in their mind and so they took it upon themselves to intervene and violated a lot of their supposed principles and standards

2. A bogus scandal engulfed his Administration for 3 years spurred on by a frenzied media 24/7 that ran with what anonymous sources [FBI, CIA, Congress] told them about this bogus scandal without stopping and questioning it

3. FBI and other agencies withheld damaging information from the American people and the President and more importantly seem to want to open an investigation about an opposing candidate while the President was being impeached for asking questions about those very same corruption allegations about that candidate.


4. FBI and other agencies were involved in Jan 6 in some way according court documents and didn’t stop the events that unfolded

5. In unprecedented way the former President home was raided by his opposition and now he’s indicted by his opposition after the current President suggested that ‘we’ were going make sure he doesn’t take power if he ran through various ways.

Who was the one who nominated said FBI chief to power? If Donald Trump is trying to clean the swamp he's doing a heck of a job. He appointed the person who did all the things you are complaining about, other than starting the Russia investigation.

(06-16-2023 09:47 PM)BigTigerMike Wrote:  SMH!

He didn’t create anything. His enemies did and I’m not talking about mere partisan democrats, which is there but the fact remain it’s a small cabal that desires things in DC to run their way and Trumps presence brought these people out of the shadows

Facts:

1.In a historical & unprecedented way, leadership of the FBI open a bogus investigation into a major party nominee spurred on by partisans and by those [Comey] who admitted that this nominee was a threat in their mind and so they took it upon themselves to intervene and violated a lot of their supposed principles and standards

2. A bogus scandal engulfed his Administration for 3 years spurred on by a frenzied media 24/7 that ran with what anonymous sources [FBI, CIA, Congress] told them about this bogus scandal without stopping and questioning it

3. FBI and other agencies withheld damaging information from the American people and the President and more importantly didn’t seem to want to open an investigation about a former VP while the President was being impeached for asking questions about those very same corruption allegations about that person.


4. FBI and other agencies were involved in Jan 6 in some way according court documents and didn’t stop the events that unfolded

5. In unprecedented way the former President home was raided by his opposition and now he’s indicted by his opposition after the current President suggested that ‘we’ were going make sure he doesn’t take power if he ran through various ways.

But the Ginny says read the indictment! Moronotrons.

(06-16-2023 09:43 PM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  

(06-16-2023 09:34 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(06-16-2023 08:56 PM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  

(06-16-2023 12:55 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(06-16-2023 12:36 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  Unfortunately the thing is we don't know that it was really anything more than a paperwork dispute. Do you trust any of the govt agencies involved to take what they claim at face value when reading the indictment? Whether you love, hate, tolerate, or hold any level of disdain for Trump on a personal level its almost impossible to deny that every level of the establishment or 'deep state' has been after him with virtually all of the power at their disposal since he won the republican nomination for 16. It's the govt's word against Trump's and we saw what they did to him while in office. Given the weakness of their previous attempts to impeach him and the years of 100% lying, I don't know that you could find 12 jurors that would agree to convict him.

It very could have been at the outset a mere paperwork dispute. No doubt here on that.

Trump *chose* to perform every action to escalate it to far more than an easliy solved paperwork dispute.

I dont understand the 'its the Govts word'. The facts are simple, and are in the judicial record.

Trump took a lot of stuff that he shouldnt have.

NARA said we need some of the things back.

Trump sent some back, and sent back some highly classified material.

NARA forwarded this to the DOJ.

The DOJ Counter Intel folks tried to get more back of what they suspected was still there.

Trump stonewalled.

DOJ got a subpoena.

Trump actively obstructed the subpoena, in various ways.

Trump, after hoodwinking his own attorneys, and after telling his own attorneys to lie, sent back 15 documents. He also submitted a declaration under oath that no other documents were there.

The DOJ got ahold of the videos of the areas, which showed a *lot* of boxes flowing hither and yonder, and became even more suspicious that there were more documents, and became concerned that the declaration was false. Itself a felony.

They then got a warrant and executed a search a seizure. And found a trove of stuff that proved that Trump lied in the declaration, at a minimum.

He had multiple branch points to de-escalate, and instead, decided to otherwise. Some of the actions of those 'otherwise' decisions are themselves criminal acts.

It *could* have been nothing more than a paperwork error. Trump worked diligently to escalate it to far more than a paperwork error.

You pinhead moronotron.

When you cant cite facts, go 7th grade name calling. Brilliant.

Quote:The government criminals worked hard and diligently to make this into more than a paperwork dispute.

And at each and every turn that *Trump* could have de-escalated -- he didnt. Yep, poor Trump. Poor victim Trump.

I would agree with *if* Trump had taken *any* opportunity to 'come clean'. He didnt.

No one put a gun to his head and said 'pack up the classified documents and leave with them.'

No one put a gun to his head and said 'refuse to turn them over to NARA'.

No one put a gun to his head and said 'refuse to turn them over after a simple request by the DOJ.'

No one put a gun to his head and said 'tell your attorneys to lie about them in responding to the subpoena.'

No one put a gun to his head and said 'hide the documents from your attorneys so they wont find them'.

No one put a gun to his head and said 'ensure the attorney search will fail, and make sure the attorneys submit a false declaration.'

Did someone *force* Donald to do *any* of the above? Love to hear it if you can. Facts. Not whiny stuff like above. Im all ears.

On top of that, no one put a gun to Donald's head and said 'you must refer to Classified Documents' as "my documents".

All of that is in the record, most of that is in a record that Donald had every ability to challenge -- and did not.

But here you are crying in the street about how Donald is the poor, poor victim. And apparently the big, bad, evil government folks forced Donald to do all of those steps above. Pretty impressive feat if true..... lolz.

Quote:And gullible wanna be lawyers such as yourself read this indictment as the final truth.

I read the facts stated as such. I doubt Trump will have any counter facts to those that are in the indictment and noted as sworn testimony in front of the grand jury.

Quote:I’ll give you a chance out now. Do you think this will go to court? How much more “evidence” do you think will “leak out” between now and the time this whole sordid affair is filed away as another soft coup?

Soft coup? Donald doesnt even hold an office, dude.....


I'll give you an out --
Did someone *force* Donald to do *any* of the above? Please state all the facts that show Trump was forced into all or any of his actions above.

Or jsut cry, whine, and keep slinging your fists into the sand pile which in a verbal-style temper tantrum which you seemingly do in your last post.

A+ for crying and gnashing your teeth.

C on rhetoric.

F on anything substantive.

A- on middle school style name-calling.

A-? You ass. Didn’t answer all the questions I see. Why not?

Dude, you dont answer 5% of the questions tossed your way on a regular basis. Rich.

Glad to see you are still in the midst of your middle school name calling binge.

Get back to us when you can make a substantive point in a fact. Or whine some moar that I didnt answer a particular question.

(06-16-2023 09:56 PM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  

(06-16-2023 09:47 PM)BigTigerMike Wrote:  SMH!

He didn’t create anything. His enemies did and I’m not talking about mere partisan democrats, which is there but the fact remain it’s a small cabal that desires things in DC to run their way and Trumps presence brought these people out of the shadows

Facts:

1.In a historical & unprecedented way, leadership of the FBI open a bogus investigation into a major party nominee spurred on by partisans and by those [Comey] who admitted that this nominee was a threat in their mind and so they took it upon themselves to intervene and violated a lot of their supposed principles and standards

2. A bogus scandal engulfed his Administration for 3 years spurred on by a frenzied media 24/7 that ran with what anonymous sources [FBI, CIA, Congress] told them about this bogus scandal without stopping and questioning it

3. FBI and other agencies withheld damaging information from the American people and the President and more importantly didn’t seem to want to open an investigation about a former VP while the President was being impeached for asking questions about those very same corruption allegations about that person.


4. FBI and other agencies were involved in Jan 6 in some way according court documents and didn’t stop the events that unfolded

5. In unprecedented way the former President home was raided by his opposition and now he’s indicted by his opposition after the current President suggested that ‘we’ were going make sure he doesn’t take power if he ran through various ways.

But the Ginny says read the indictment! Moronotrons.

You probably still havent read it. Along with any of the actual court filings from previously.

Easier to just regurgitate speculative swill than actually read the source materials.

But then again, apparently your idea of effectively rebutting facts seems to be nothing more than the whiny snot-nosed middle school name calling you exhibit so proudly above. Bravo.

I assume you are older than 11 years. Kind of sad that is your main go to.

Oh well. Lolz.

(06-16-2023 09:47 PM)BigTigerMike Wrote:  SMH!

He didn’t create anything. His enemies did and I’m not talking about mere partisan democrats, which is there but the fact remain it’s a small cabal that desires things in DC to run their way and Trumps presence brought these people out of the shadows

Facts:

1.In a historical & unprecedented way, leadership of the FBI open a bogus investigation into a major party nominee spurred on by partisans and by those [Comey] who admitted that this nominee was a threat in their mind and so they took it upon themselves to intervene and violated a lot of their supposed principles and standards

2. A bogus scandal engulfed his Administration for 3 years spurred on by a frenzied media 24/7 that ran with what anonymous sources [FBI, CIA, Congress] told them about this bogus scandal without stopping and questioning it

3. FBI and other agencies withheld damaging information from the American people and the President and more importantly didn’t seem to want to open an investigation about a former VP while the President was being impeached for asking questions about those very same corruption allegations about that person.


4. FBI and other agencies were involved in Jan 6 in some way according court documents and didn’t stop the events that unfolded

5. In unprecedented way the former President home was raided by his opposition and now he’s indicted by his opposition after the current President suggested that ‘we’ were going make sure he doesn’t take power if he ran through various ways.

Facts


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(06-16-2023 11:48 PM)WalkThePlank Wrote:  

(06-16-2023 09:47 PM)BigTigerMike Wrote:  SMH!

He didn’t create anything. His enemies did and I’m not talking about mere partisan democrats, which is there but the fact remain it’s a small cabal that desires things in DC to run their way and Trumps presence brought these people out of the shadows

Facts:

1.In a historical & unprecedented way, leadership of the FBI open a bogus investigation into a major party nominee spurred on by partisans and by those [Comey] who admitted that this nominee was a threat in their mind and so they took it upon themselves to intervene and violated a lot of their supposed principles and standards

2. A bogus scandal engulfed his Administration for 3 years spurred on by a frenzied media 24/7 that ran with what anonymous sources [FBI, CIA, Congress] told them about this bogus scandal without stopping and questioning it

3. FBI and other agencies withheld damaging information from the American people and the President and more importantly didn’t seem to want to open an investigation about a former VP while the President was being impeached for asking questions about those very same corruption allegations about that person.


4. FBI and other agencies were involved in Jan 6 in some way according court documents and didn’t stop the events that unfolded

5. In unprecedented way the former President home was raided by his opposition and now he’s indicted by his opposition after the current President suggested that ‘we’ were going make sure he doesn’t take power if he ran through various ways.

Facts

Most people with above an 8th grade education readily identify the vast majority of the above as no more than opinion, or just rank speculation. and some statements simply false due to rank generalization.

Apparently you arent in that group able to discern that.

(06-16-2023 11:48 PM)WalkThePlank Wrote:  

(06-16-2023 09:47 PM)BigTigerMike Wrote:  SMH!

He didn’t create anything. His enemies did and I’m not talking about mere partisan democrats, which is there but the fact remain it’s a small cabal that desires things in DC to run their way and Trumps presence brought these people out of the shadows

Facts:

1.In a historical & unprecedented way, leadership of the FBI open a bogus investigation into a major party nominee spurred on by partisans and by those [Comey] who admitted that this nominee was a threat in their mind and so they took it upon themselves to intervene and violated a lot of their supposed principles and standards

2. A bogus scandal engulfed his Administration for 3 years spurred on by a frenzied media 24/7 that ran with what anonymous sources [FBI, CIA, Congress] told them about this bogus scandal without stopping and questioning it

3. FBI and other agencies withheld damaging information from the American people and the President and more importantly didn’t seem to want to open an investigation about a former VP while the President was being impeached for asking questions about those very same corruption allegations about that person.


4. FBI and other agencies were involved in Jan 6 in some way according court documents and didn’t stop the events that unfolded

5. In unprecedented way the former President home was raided by his opposition and now he’s indicted by his opposition after the current President suggested that ‘we’ were going make sure he doesn’t take power if he ran through various ways.

Facts


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He wont do a day. This nothing more than another russia, stormy, bullshite hitjob. Only the simple filth think otherwise. You wont convince them

SMH!

He didn’t create anything. His enemies did and I’m not talking about mere partisan democrats, which is there but the fact remain it’s a small cabal that desires things in DC to run their way and Trumps presence brought these people out of the shadows

Facts:

1.In a historical & unprecedented way, leadership of the FBI open a bogus investigation into a major party nominee spurred on by partisans and by those [Comey] who admitted that this nominee was a threat in their mind and so they took it upon themselves to intervene and violated a lot of their supposed principles and standards

2. A bogus scandal engulfed his Administration for 3 years spurred on by a frenzied media 24/7 that ran with what anonymous sources [FBI, CIA, Congress] told them about this bogus scandal without stopping and questioning it

3. FBI and other agencies withheld damaging information from the American people and the President and more importantly seem to want to open an investigation about an opposing candidate while the President was being impeached for asking questions about those very same corruption allegations about that candidate.


4. FBI and other agencies were involved in Jan 6 in some way according court documents and didn’t stop the events that unfolded

5. In unprecedented way the former President home was raided by his opposition and now he’s indicted by his opposition

(06-17-2023 07:31 AM)BigTigerMike Wrote:  SMH!

He didn’t create anything. His enemies did and I’m not talking about mere partisan democrats, which is there but the fact remain it’s a small cabal that desires things in DC to run their way and Trumps presence brought these people out of the shadows

Facts:

1.In a historical & unprecedented way, leadership of the FBI open a bogus investigation into a major party nominee spurred on by partisans and by those [Comey] who admitted that this nominee was a threat in their mind and so they took it upon themselves to intervene and violated a lot of their supposed principles and standards

2. A bogus scandal engulfed his Administration for 3 years spurred on by a frenzied media 24/7 that ran with what anonymous sources [FBI, CIA, Congress] told them about this bogus scandal without stopping and questioning it

3. FBI and other agencies withheld damaging information from the American people and the President and more importantly seem to want to open an investigation about an opposing candidate while the President was being impeached for asking questions about those very same corruption allegations about that candidate.


4. FBI and other agencies were involved in Jan 6 in some way according court documents and didn’t stop the events that unfolded

5. In unprecedented way the former President home was raided by his opposition and now he’s indicted by his opposition

Every single one of your listed points is true. And every one of them shows an appalling capture of the levers of power by awful, ill-meaning people. It needs to be rooted out.

President Trump, sadly, had his chance to do so. He failed miserably. There are lots of ways to excuse that. "He was a political outsider and didn't understand the depth of the corruption." "He was duped by treasonous appointees, who lied to his face." "He was never given a fair shake by the media." "It's the stupidity and weakness of the of the Republican leadership, that just wants to be liked."

All of that is true. Yet it changes nothing.

We now have a set of Republican presidential contenders who are professing to understand the problem and to know how to attack it:

--> Ron DeSantis: “If you’re performing poorly, you should be fired. It doesn’t matter if you’re a bureaucrat or if you’re a political appointee.”

--> Nikki Haley: “Getting rid of just senior management isn’t going to be enough to fix this. This is going to take a complete overhaul.”

--> Tim Scott: "I think the actual leadership of the FBI should be fired. There is a culture that seeps down and distorts and destroys the integrity and competence of the American people, and that has to be uprooted."

--> Vivek Ramaswamy: Shut down the FBI and the IRS, whose “culture . . . cannot be reformed”.

Can we trust them? Maybe not. We've all been let down before. But why should we not trust them, many of whom have already proved to be effective and reliable, but then naively put our faith back in Donald Trump, who has proved to be ineffective and unreliable?

He doesn't know how to fix the problem. All he wants is to be vindicated. Instead of telling us how he intends to address and reform the deep state, as the other candidates have done, Donald wants to use the same politicized tools against his enemies: promising to appoint a “real special prosecutor” to “go after” the “entire Biden crime family.”

Linked source: https://www.wsj.com/articles/how-to-arre...eatst_pos1

Somewhere else on this forum, one of you posted a clip from the "Squeal like a piggy" scene from Deliverance. Watching that, it is hard not see Donald Trump as the Ned Beatty rape victim, now crying for Burt Reynolds to come and deliver justice.

Can we trust them?

Of course not.

(06-17-2023 08:22 AM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  

(06-17-2023 07:31 AM)BigTigerMike Wrote:  SMH!

He didn’t create anything. His enemies did and I’m not talking about mere partisan democrats, which is there but the fact remain it’s a small cabal that desires things in DC to run their way and Trumps presence brought these people out of the shadows

Facts:

1.In a historical & unprecedented way, leadership of the FBI open a bogus investigation into a major party nominee spurred on by partisans and by those [Comey] who admitted that this nominee was a threat in their mind and so they took it upon themselves to intervene and violated a lot of their supposed principles and standards

2. A bogus scandal engulfed his Administration for 3 years spurred on by a frenzied media 24/7 that ran with what anonymous sources [FBI, CIA, Congress] told them about this bogus scandal without stopping and questioning it

3. FBI and other agencies withheld damaging information from the American people and the President and more importantly seem to want to open an investigation about an opposing candidate while the President was being impeached for asking questions about those very same corruption allegations about that candidate.


4. FBI and other agencies were involved in Jan 6 in some way according court documents and didn’t stop the events that unfolded

5. In unprecedented way the former President home was raided by his opposition and now he’s indicted by his opposition

Every single one of your listed points is true. And every one of them shows an appalling capture of the levers of power by awful, ill-meaning people. It needs to be rooted out.

President Trump, sadly, had his chance to do so. He failed miserably. There are lots of ways to excuse that. "He was a political outsider and didn't understand the depth of the corruption." "He was duped by treasonous appointees, who lied to his face." "He was never given a fair shake by the media." "It's the stupidity and weakness of the of the Republican leadership, that just wants to be liked."

All of that is true. Yet it changes nothing.

We now have a set of Republican presidential contenders who are professing to understand the problem and to know how to attack it:

--> Ron DeSantis: “If you’re performing poorly, you should be fired. It doesn’t matter if you’re a bureaucrat or if you’re a political appointee.”

--> Nikki Haley: “Getting rid of just senior management isn’t going to be enough to fix this. This is going to take a complete overhaul.”

--> Tim Scott: "I think the actual leadership of the FBI should be fired. There is a culture that seeps down and distorts and destroys the integrity and competence of the American people, and that has to be uprooted."

--> Vivek Ramaswamy: Shut down the FBI and the IRS, whose “culture . . . cannot be reformed”.

Can we trust them? Maybe not. We've all been let down before. But why should we not trust them, many of whom have already proved to be effective and reliable, but then naively put our faith back in Donald Trump, who has proved to be ineffective and unreliable?

He doesn't know how to fix the problem. All he wants is to be vindicated. Instead of telling us how he intends to address and reform the deep state, as the other candidates have done, Donald wants to use the same politicized tools against his enemies: promising to appoint a “real special prosecutor” to “go after” the “entire Biden crime family.”

Linked source: https://www.wsj.com/articles/how-to-arre...eatst_pos1

Somewhere else on this forum, one of you posted a clip from the "Squeal like a piggy" scene from Deliverance. Watching that, it is hard not see Donald Trump as the Ned Beatty rape victim, now crying for Burt Reynolds to come and deliver justice.

I’ll take the known entity vs. the unknown every day and the eighth one … regardless, #groverII is dead!

why? oh yeah, you know why ….


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