If anyone happened to read the parable I posted yesterday, he's basically saying "the grass is blue".

(06-16-2023 09:40 AM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  If anyone happened to read the parable I posted yesterday, he's basically saying "the grass is blue".

I did read the parable, and enjoyed it. (I think I'd heard it before, but it was a faint and distant memory.)

My one objection is in the character assignments. In the real world, a full grown tiger would make mincemeat of a full grown lion. It would not be a close fight - - and I say that as a Monarch fan.

(06-16-2023 09:45 AM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  

(06-16-2023 09:40 AM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  If anyone happened to read the parable I posted yesterday, he's basically saying "the grass is blue".

I did read the parable, and enjoyed it. (I think I'd heard it before, but it was a faint and distant memory.)

My one objection is in the character assignments. In the real world, a full grown tiger would make mincemeat of a full grown lion. It would not be a close fight - - and I say that as a Monarch fan.

Hey, not my story. :)

I mean, when someone seriously says "Trump caused the global pandemic", you cannot take them seriously ever again.

(06-16-2023 09:19 AM)gdunn Wrote:  

(06-16-2023 09:03 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(06-16-2023 08:41 AM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  The bigger question is why Trump's documents were so more of a national threat than all the others... who you all know damn well took documents as well an no one said a word.

They aren't. The documents are just a tool they are using to stop Trump from further damaging the progressive liberal agenda. Full Stop.

If they were doing the full letter of the law, Biden, Pence, and Clinton would be held just as responsible.. The BS of well Biden and Pence cooperated is just that.. It's BS. Anyone else would've lost their clearance and depending on the severity of the information would be looking at jail time. Funny how only one person is.

Before my clearance went into retro, we were told it didn't matter if we accidently took something or not, if found we were in a heap of trouble.. No if, ands, or buts.

None of you were the President

(06-16-2023 09:19 AM)gdunn Wrote:  

(06-16-2023 09:03 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(06-16-2023 08:41 AM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  The bigger question is why Trump's documents were so more of a national threat than all the others... who you all know damn well took documents as well an no one said a word.

They aren't. The documents are just a tool they are using to stop Trump from further damaging the progressive liberal agenda. Full Stop.

If they were doing the full letter of the law, Biden, Pence, and Clinton would be held just as responsible.. The BS of well Biden and Pence cooperated is just that.. It's BS. Anyone else would've lost their clearance and depending on the severity of the information would be looking at jail time. Funny how only one person is.

Before my clearance went into retro, we were told it didn't matter if we accidently took something or not, if found we were in a heap of trouble.. No if, ands, or buts.

I've never myself held a security clearance. But I've been in close proximity with a number of people who have. To a person, the all took their clearances extremely seriously. If I even joked (which I foolishly did once) about looking at papers under a red "classified" label, their hackles would go up instantly.

So, attempting to stay within my own unrealistic parameters for this thread - - and ignoring for the moment the baselessness of the indictment - - do we really as a nation want a person in the position of commander in chief who does not/cannot/will not respect even the most basic of classification requirements? Do we?

Again, Presidents have ALWAYS been above normal security concerns. Like shere just said, you are not the President.

(06-16-2023 09:53 AM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  Again, Presidents have ALWAYS been above normal security concerns. Like shere just said, you are not the President.

True. But as an American citizen I do get to voice an opinion regarding who should be president.

So I will rephrase my question: does it not bother you that Donald Trump appears to hold classification requirements in such low regard - - at least when it comes to himself and those he wants to impress?

(06-16-2023 09:50 AM)shere khan Wrote:  

(06-16-2023 09:19 AM)gdunn Wrote:  

(06-16-2023 09:03 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(06-16-2023 08:41 AM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  The bigger question is why Trump's documents were so more of a national threat than all the others... who you all know damn well took documents as well an no one said a word.

They aren't. The documents are just a tool they are using to stop Trump from further damaging the progressive liberal agenda. Full Stop.

If they were doing the full letter of the law, Biden, Pence, and Clinton would be held just as responsible.. The BS of well Biden and Pence cooperated is just that.. It's BS. Anyone else would've lost their clearance and depending on the severity of the information would be looking at jail time. Funny how only one person is.

Before my clearance went into retro, we were told it didn't matter if we accidently took something or not, if found we were in a heap of trouble.. No if, ands, or buts.

None of you were the President

Neither was Joe Biden (the files found were from when he was a Senator and VP) until now.. Nor Mike Pence.. Nor Hillary Clinton..

IF Trump didn't "declassify" it prior to leaving office, I don't think he can after he's back to being a private citizen.

(06-16-2023 09:51 AM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  

(06-16-2023 09:19 AM)gdunn Wrote:  

(06-16-2023 09:03 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(06-16-2023 08:41 AM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  The bigger question is why Trump's documents were so more of a national threat than all the others... who you all know damn well took documents as well an no one said a word.

They aren't. The documents are just a tool they are using to stop Trump from further damaging the progressive liberal agenda. Full Stop.

If they were doing the full letter of the law, Biden, Pence, and Clinton would be held just as responsible.. The BS of well Biden and Pence cooperated is just that.. It's BS. Anyone else would've lost their clearance and depending on the severity of the information would be looking at jail time. Funny how only one person is.

Before my clearance went into retro, we were told it didn't matter if we accidently took something or not, if found we were in a heap of trouble.. No if, ands, or buts.

I've never myself held a security clearance. But I've been in close proximity with a number of people who have. To a person, the all took their clearances extremely seriously. If I even joked (which I foolishly did once) about looking at papers under a red "classified" label, their hackles would go up instantly.

So, attempting to stay within my own unrealistic parameters for this thread - - and ignoring for the moment the baselessness of the indictment - - do we really as a nation want a person in the position of commander in chief who does not/cannot/will not respect even the most basic of classification requirements? Do we?

if precedent was already in place (based on what Johnny Q. knows due to former presidents), there can only be one assumption - and that assumption lends to ‘why’ you started the original mar-a-largo thread … your response now contradicts ‘that premise’ … or am I missing something?!

“do we” is already established…

(06-16-2023 09:56 AM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  

(06-16-2023 09:53 AM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  Again, Presidents have ALWAYS been above normal security concerns. Like shere just said, you are not the President.

True. But as an American citizen I do get to voice an opinion regarding who should be president.

So I will rephrase my question: does it not bother you that Donald Trump appears to hold classification requirements in such low regard - - at least when it comes to himself and those he wants to impress?

Well, I'm not getting drug into yet another Trump argument, so I'll be kind enough to answer your question and then I'll leave this thread.

Billions of documents in DC are classified, quite literally, and it's frankly ridiculous. When Trump was president he had access to whatever he wanted to see. He's not president anymore, they have their damn documents back now, he didn't sell them to an enemy, so why should I give a flying flip what he holds in low regard? He isn't my Jesus.

(06-16-2023 09:08 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(06-16-2023 09:01 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(06-16-2023 07:49 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(06-16-2023 07:37 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  I viewed Trump with hesitant optimism the first go round. I wanted to see how a 'businessman' would run the country as it was obvious that career politicians were terrible at the job. Overall I was pleased. The work that Trump did getting conservative and constitutionally minded judges on various courts around the country has at least slowed the progressive rot for the next 25-40 years. The US didn't get involved in any new conflicts, adversaries remained in line, and big-govt seemed to be put on a diet. I think Trump was naïve about just how big of a deal the deep state was and to what extent it held the real power in the US.

This go round I want him to go full scorched earth. Anybody he has the ability to fire should be fired on day one. Declassify everything that doesn't severely damage national security. Drop all the dirty secrets, our own included, and let the world burn. It's time for a reset and I would rather it be done with the best interest of the US in mind and not those of China, the ME, or the democratic socialists in Europe. The US is in a serious state of decay, poisoned by career politicians who have long ago forgotten the reason they were in DC. Their interests aren't our own interests. I'm not necessarily saying Trump's interests are our own as well, but what he said and did publicly his first go round was far better than what any president since Reagan has said and done.

I'll take his mean tweets, narcissistic personality, proclivity for exaggerating, little white lies, etc. for four more years. Maybe it's because I'm getting older and more cynical, but I just wanna watch the liberals cry and the world burn.

Interesting...sorta sounds like the stuff of dictators. Which is exactly why I say trump is a threat to our democracy.

But as you hint at...there's zero guarantee this would be done solely for our country and NOT for him personally.

Trump is far from anything resembling a dictator. His actions were likewise far from any that a dictator would have taken.

Mostly because he's not currently in the WH. God help us if he's elected again.

You really don't understand much if you look back on his first term and think he acted like a dictator.

You have to be an absolute idiot, I mean dumber than a sack of dirt stupid, to believe Trump acted like a dictator.


But then again, most liberals are that ignorant. Just stupid people

(06-16-2023 09:36 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(06-16-2023 09:22 AM)MemTigers1998 Wrote:  

(06-16-2023 09:08 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(06-16-2023 09:01 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(06-16-2023 07:49 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Interesting...sorta sounds like the stuff of dictators. Which is exactly why I say trump is a threat to our democracy.

But as you hint at...there's zero guarantee this would be done solely for our country and NOT for him personally.

Trump is far from anything resembling a dictator. His actions were likewise far from any that a dictator would have taken.

Mostly because he's not currently in the WH. God help us if he's elected again.

Yeah, God help us. We certainly don’t need a person who has demonstrated he’ll put America first and build a booming economy. We need a senile pedo beholden to the Chinks and driving inflation thru the roof instead. Good times!

I especially love how he caused a global pandemic and global inflation. He's quite powerful for a vegetable, huh?!?

I don't think I've heard anybody say Quid Pro Joe caused the pandemic. Pretty sure you can lay that one directly on Fauci, the NIH, and WIV.

A good deal of economist point to Quid Pro Joe's American Rescue Plan as being responsible for anywhere from 25-50% of the post covid inflation. That spending came as the economy was already stabilizing, the influx of dollars was more than it could stand. Instead of 4.5% -6% inflation we got about 9% at the peak.

(06-16-2023 10:12 AM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  

Lying to the Feds, submitting a false sworn declaration, actively hiding classified documents from searches, blowing off grand jury subpoenas, telling your lawyers to destroy evidence --- is a "paperwork dispute"?

The things you learn from twitter.

The issue is that I do believe that Schiff should be censured, or worse. No doubt. Schiff's role in Russiagate and actively propelling that in the absence of real evidence is sickening.

But Kirk blows his foot off in the intro.

Kirk's tweet highlights the *major* problem with both sides presently.

Tom,

Sorry, there is no 'there' there when you go down the path of 'Trump caused the COVID pandemic.' Zero.

(06-16-2023 09:34 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(06-16-2023 09:16 AM)VA49er Wrote:  

(06-16-2023 08:56 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(06-16-2023 08:48 AM)VA49er Wrote:  

(06-16-2023 08:41 AM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  The bigger question is why Trump's documents were so more of a national threat than all the others... who you all know damn well took documents as well an no one said a word.

Yep, the simple fact only one has been indicted tells 100% that this is solely partisan politics. I can't believe others are so blind and beholden that that actually go along with it.

Again with this nonsense? There's not been one former president shown to have done ANYTHING even REMOTELY similar.

You continue to believe what you are being told. I simply refuse to do so. There have been too many recent instances of flat out media lies to allow any sort of benefit of the doubt. That train passed a long time ago.

Not being told anything, dude. It's just ******* facts. Show me one former president who did anything similar? And don't give me this "we don't know" bull****. Yeah, we don't know...so you then afford them the perception of innocence.

The authoritative body on this matter, NARA, has issued statement after statement detailing the behavior of the recent presidents of both parties and none of it compares, NONE of it.

But as soon as you want to put forth any credible evidence that they did, I gladly look at it.

Simply put, you continue to believe what you are being told, through the media. I no longer give the media the benefit of the doubt after all the years of flat out lies. If no one else is being indicted, it's beyond the shadow of a doubt a political maneuver. I mean, classified docs are classified docs. We don't need to have another discussion as to what classified docs are, do we? If other had them in their procession, and there were no indictments, then there's no way to make the partisanship any more obvious.

(06-16-2023 10:17 AM)MemTigers1998 Wrote:  You have to be an absolute idiot, I mean dumber than a sack of dirt stupid, to believe Trump acted like a dictator.


But then again, most liberals are that ignorant. Just stupid people

or a paid operative to suggest such … if anything, DJT wasn’t strong enough to back up “drain the swamp”…

(06-16-2023 07:06 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(06-16-2023 07:01 AM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(06-16-2023 06:32 AM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  All the debauchery going on in our country, all the festering evil, much of it aimed at children, all the misery and suffering and mental illness, and yet most of what you see on TV or online is Trump Trump Trump. He’s like some dime store Jesus that a huge part of the population has given their soul to. Or a dime store Satan for many, like you.

So many people spending huge chunks of their lives thinking about and debating about and arguing about and obsessing about Donald J Trump, while I frankly don’t think he makes a difference either way at this point. The evil that pervades this country, hell the entire world it seems, that appears to hold all of us in its grasp, is far greater than him. He’s just another distraction for all us little people.

It’s basically how magic tricks work. “Hey look over there”.

+3

That's really what its all about. Whether you are for Him or despise him its all about redirecting focus to him instead of all the chaos and corruption that has gripped every corner of our republic and society.

Trump, the Democrates, the Media and many of the voters are all guilty of it.

Curious, any guilt directed toward the Christian fundamentalists who seemingly want to take us to a real-life version of The Handmaid's Tale?

What levers of power do "Christian Fundamentalists" have in the USA in 2023?

The left controls the goverment bureaucracy, 95% of the media, almost all social media, almost all of academia, hollywood, and big business. Yet, you ask if Christians should be the focus of guilt?

You say many dumb things, but this one wins the Blue Ribbon for Stupidity, for the month.