(06-13-2023 03:48 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  The guy is not running a campaign…he’s just running interference for Trump.

It's just the opposite, actually. He is running the best campaign of all of the candidates so far.

RFK Jr. is a close second.

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(06-13-2023 04:04 PM)maximus Wrote:  

(06-13-2023 03:48 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  The guy is not running a campaign…he’s just running interference for Trump.

It's just the opposite, actually. He is running the best campaign of all of the candidates so far.

RFK Jr. is a close second.

Isn't he polling at about 2%?

Heckuva job, Viveky!

(06-13-2023 04:16 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(06-13-2023 04:04 PM)maximus Wrote:  

(06-13-2023 03:48 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  The guy is not running a campaign…he’s just running interference for Trump.

It's just the opposite, actually. He is running the best campaign of all of the candidates so far.

RFK Jr. is a close second.

Isn't he polling at about 2%?

Heckuva job, Viveky!

More like 5% but it's early. He will continue to rise.

You also are showing how clueless you are about Vivek.


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Well in all fairness Tom is clueless about most topics.

(06-13-2023 04:27 PM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  Well in all fairness Tom is clueless about most topics.

Subway Tom is going to support a nursing home patient who is going to refuse debates against a legitimate primary challenger.

That's all you have to know about Subway Tom... well, that and he likes Trans Kids Are Sexy t-shirts

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Maximus is right. The two best campaigning I’ve seen so far is Vivek and RFK Jr. because they are very thought provoking campaigns that makes the listener think. Whoever is advising DeSantis is doing it all wrong as he’s trying to hard to be the ‘typical Republican’ but with just enough twist to make him not

Unfortunately most citizens don't think.

(06-13-2023 04:26 PM)maximus Wrote:  

(06-13-2023 04:16 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(06-13-2023 04:04 PM)maximus Wrote:  

(06-13-2023 03:48 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  The guy is not running a campaign…he’s just running interference for Trump.

It's just the opposite, actually. He is running the best campaign of all of the candidates so far.

RFK Jr. is a close second.

Isn't he polling at about 2%?

Heckuva job, Viveky!

More like 5% but it's early. He will continue to rise.

You also are showing how clueless you are about Vivek.


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He's averaging at 2.9% as of yesterday...so yeah...totally clueless I am.
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/pol.../national/

(06-13-2023 04:40 PM)maximus Wrote:  ... he likes Trans Kids Are Sexy t-shirts

Just keep lying, pal. Certainly the hallmark of your existence here.

(06-14-2023 06:04 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(06-13-2023 04:26 PM)maximus Wrote:  

(06-13-2023 04:16 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(06-13-2023 04:04 PM)maximus Wrote:  

(06-13-2023 03:48 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  The guy is not running a campaign…he’s just running interference for Trump.

It's just the opposite, actually. He is running the best campaign of all of the candidates so far.

RFK Jr. is a close second.

Isn't he polling at about 2%?

Heckuva job, Viveky!

More like 5% but it's early. He will continue to rise.

You also are showing how clueless you are about Vivek.


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He's averaging at 2.9% as of yesterday...so yeah...totally clueless I am.
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/pol.../national/

OK then. You're just 97.1% clueless.

Vivek > Biden ...... and it's not even close.

(06-14-2023 08:18 AM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  OK then. You're just 97.1% clueless.

Vivek > Biden ...... and it's not even close.

REGARDLESS of what some stupid poll says. Some folks are not grounded in reality. Propoganda is their whole life.

Until we see all the candidates on stage, debating, it's hard to point and say who's better and polling is just that, it's going off name recognition only. Had I not dug into Vivek I'd be clueless.. But researching him, I like him. Hearing his platform, I like him even more.

Some people don't research and just vote based on name recognition alone.

(06-14-2023 08:35 AM)gdunn Wrote:  Some people don't research and just vote based on name recognition alone.

81 million of them apparently.

(02-14-2023 10:02 PM)maximus Wrote:  Remember the name

Been following him for a while. He brings actual solutions and ideas, not just idiotic rhetoric.



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I like him. He has a lot of very good ideas.

(06-13-2023 04:58 PM)BigTigerMike Wrote:  Maximus is right. The two best campaigning I’ve seen so far is Vivek and RFK Jr. because they are very thought provoking campaigns that makes the listener think. Whoever is advising DeSantis is doing it all wrong as he’s trying to hard to be the ‘typical Republican’ but with just enough twist to make him not

Pretty much agree with this, even though I'm not really a massive fan of either of them. I have a feeling that what is currently a budding issue is going to end up being the most important thing that the next president faces, AI. I think we are getting closer by the day to AI ending a whole bunch of currently good paying jobs. Obviously we've had technology in the past that did the same, but in most of those cases the new technology ended up creating a whole bunch of different good paying jobs that in many cases were better jobs than the ones eliminated. Also in most of those cases there was some phasing in and all of the old jobs didn't just disappear immediately. I don't currently see the jobs that AI would create coming anywhere close to the jobs that AI are going to make completely obsolete. I think smart people can see this coming from a mile away, but at the rate AI is improving I think the white collar job apocalypse will happen in a way that will feel like all of a sudden. I think you will all of a sudden have millions of formerly productive and employed members of society who have been trained to do specific jobs for years see those jobs disappear completely to never come back. I think this is going to require outside the box/outside the traditional political norms thinking, because this is not going to be the "lazy" people who are out of work that politicians like to villainize as mooching off the government teet. I listened to RFK Jr. yesterday and he was asked about his opinion on a Federal Jobs guarantee and UBI, and I appreciated that while he said no he's not in favor of those types of programs that depending on what happens with AI he'd be willing to rethink that. I'm not saying those 2 things are the solution to this, but I appreciated hearing him be candid that he would absolutely be willing to consider things that go against his previous beliefs if the free market all of a sudden says millions of workers are obsolete.

(06-14-2023 09:55 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(06-13-2023 04:58 PM)BigTigerMike Wrote:  Maximus is right. The two best campaigning I’ve seen so far is Vivek and RFK Jr. because they are very thought provoking campaigns that makes the listener think. Whoever is advising DeSantis is doing it all wrong as he’s trying to hard to be the ‘typical Republican’ but with just enough twist to make him not

Pretty much agree with this, even though I'm not really a massive fan of either of them. I have a feeling that what is currently a budding issue is going to end up being the most important thing that the next president faces, AI. I think we are getting closer by the day to AI ending a whole bunch of currently good paying jobs. Obviously we've had technology in the past that did the same, but in most of those cases the new technology ended up creating a whole bunch of different good paying jobs that in many cases were better jobs than the ones eliminated. Also in most of those cases there was some phasing in and all of the old jobs didn't just disappear immediately. I don't currently see the jobs that AI would create coming anywhere close to the jobs that AI are going to make completely obsolete. I think smart people can see this coming from a mile away, but at the rate AI is improving I think the white collar job apocalypse will happen in a way that will feel like all of a sudden. I think you will all of a sudden have millions of formerly productive and employed members of society who have been trained to do specific jobs for years see those jobs disappear completely to never come back. I think this is going to require outside the box/outside the traditional political norms thinking, because this is not going to be the "lazy" people who are out of work that politicians like to villainize as mooching off the government teet. I listened to RFK Jr. yesterday and he was asked about his opinion on a Federal Jobs guarantee and UBI, and I appreciated that while he said no he's not in favor of those types of programs that depending on what happens with AI he'd be willing to rethink that. I'm not saying those 2 things are the solution to this, but I appreciated hearing him be candid that he would absolutely be willing to consider things that go against his previous beliefs if the free market all of a sudden says millions of workers are obsolete.

At least you're paying attention. If I remember right, and I may have you confused with another ECU poster, but you were a Bernie guy right?

While I disagree with Bernie, I at least appreciated the fact that he put out there what his vision was and it lined up with what he's done and said in the past.

I can't help but think of Morrowind every time I hear his name

(06-14-2023 10:19 AM)gdunn Wrote:  

(06-14-2023 09:55 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(06-13-2023 04:58 PM)BigTigerMike Wrote:  Maximus is right. The two best campaigning I’ve seen so far is Vivek and RFK Jr. because they are very thought provoking campaigns that makes the listener think. Whoever is advising DeSantis is doing it all wrong as he’s trying to hard to be the ‘typical Republican’ but with just enough twist to make him not

Pretty much agree with this, even though I'm not really a massive fan of either of them. I have a feeling that what is currently a budding issue is going to end up being the most important thing that the next president faces, AI. I think we are getting closer by the day to AI ending a whole bunch of currently good paying jobs. Obviously we've had technology in the past that did the same, but in most of those cases the new technology ended up creating a whole bunch of different good paying jobs that in many cases were better jobs than the ones eliminated. Also in most of those cases there was some phasing in and all of the old jobs didn't just disappear immediately. I don't currently see the jobs that AI would create coming anywhere close to the jobs that AI are going to make completely obsolete. I think smart people can see this coming from a mile away, but at the rate AI is improving I think the white collar job apocalypse will happen in a way that will feel like all of a sudden. I think you will all of a sudden have millions of formerly productive and employed members of society who have been trained to do specific jobs for years see those jobs disappear completely to never come back. I think this is going to require outside the box/outside the traditional political norms thinking, because this is not going to be the "lazy" people who are out of work that politicians like to villainize as mooching off the government teet. I listened to RFK Jr. yesterday and he was asked about his opinion on a Federal Jobs guarantee and UBI, and I appreciated that while he said no he's not in favor of those types of programs that depending on what happens with AI he'd be willing to rethink that. I'm not saying those 2 things are the solution to this, but I appreciated hearing him be candid that he would absolutely be willing to consider things that go against his previous beliefs if the free market all of a sudden says millions of workers are obsolete.

At least you're paying attention. If I remember right, and I may have you confused with another ECU poster, but you were a Bernie guy right?

While I disagree with Bernie, I at least appreciated the fact that he put out there what his vision was and it lined up with what he's done and said in the past.

Yes I was a Bernie guy, I am no longer a registered Dem as of the end of the 2020 Dem primary, and can't see myself ever identifying as a Dem again. I far from think Bernie was perfect, have plenty of stylistic and policy disagreements with him, but in terms of the things that mattered to me (corruption of the political process due to big money influence, the need for some sort of universal healthcare system (I've actually changed to thinking Bismarck would be the best universal system), and that corporations were exploiting the working class to enrich themselves and their shareholders and nothing was being done to even try to stop it) he was the only one I credibly believed would attempt to address those issues. I don't think he would have succeeded in fixing those things, but I think it would have shifted the Overton Window of what was possible. In that way I still don't view his 2 runs as complete failures, it's my hope that eventually he is looked at on the left the way that Barry Goldwater is on the right of on paper failing but leading the way to Reagan. I hope in the not too distant future I can look back at the Bernie runs as what lead the way to the death of Neoliberalism.

(06-14-2023 10:49 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(06-14-2023 10:19 AM)gdunn Wrote:  

(06-14-2023 09:55 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(06-13-2023 04:58 PM)BigTigerMike Wrote:  Maximus is right. The two best campaigning I’ve seen so far is Vivek and RFK Jr. because they are very thought provoking campaigns that makes the listener think. Whoever is advising DeSantis is doing it all wrong as he’s trying to hard to be the ‘typical Republican’ but with just enough twist to make him not

Pretty much agree with this, even though I'm not really a massive fan of either of them. I have a feeling that what is currently a budding issue is going to end up being the most important thing that the next president faces, AI. I think we are getting closer by the day to AI ending a whole bunch of currently good paying jobs. Obviously we've had technology in the past that did the same, but in most of those cases the new technology ended up creating a whole bunch of different good paying jobs that in many cases were better jobs than the ones eliminated. Also in most of those cases there was some phasing in and all of the old jobs didn't just disappear immediately. I don't currently see the jobs that AI would create coming anywhere close to the jobs that AI are going to make completely obsolete. I think smart people can see this coming from a mile away, but at the rate AI is improving I think the white collar job apocalypse will happen in a way that will feel like all of a sudden. I think you will all of a sudden have millions of formerly productive and employed members of society who have been trained to do specific jobs for years see those jobs disappear completely to never come back. I think this is going to require outside the box/outside the traditional political norms thinking, because this is not going to be the "lazy" people who are out of work that politicians like to villainize as mooching off the government teet. I listened to RFK Jr. yesterday and he was asked about his opinion on a Federal Jobs guarantee and UBI, and I appreciated that while he said no he's not in favor of those types of programs that depending on what happens with AI he'd be willing to rethink that. I'm not saying those 2 things are the solution to this, but I appreciated hearing him be candid that he would absolutely be willing to consider things that go against his previous beliefs if the free market all of a sudden says millions of workers are obsolete.

At least you're paying attention. If I remember right, and I may have you confused with another ECU poster, but you were a Bernie guy right?

While I disagree with Bernie, I at least appreciated the fact that he put out there what his vision was and it lined up with what he's done and said in the past.

Yes I was a Bernie guy, I am no longer a registered Dem as of the end of the 2020 Dem primary, and can't see myself ever identifying as a Dem again. I far from think Bernie was perfect, have plenty of stylistic and policy disagreements with him, but in terms of the things that mattered to me (corruption of the political process due to big money influence, the need for some sort of universal healthcare system (I've actually changed to thinking Bismarck would be the best universal system), and that corporations were exploiting the working class to enrich themselves and their shareholders and nothing was being done to even try to stop it) he was the only one I credibly believed would attempt to address those issues. I don't think he would have succeeded in fixing those things, but I think it would have shifted the Overton Window of what was possible. In that way I still don't view his 2 runs as complete failures, it's my hope that eventually he is looked at on the left the way that Barry Goldwater is on the right of on paper failing but leading the way to Reagan. I hope in the not too distant future I can look back at the Bernie runs as what lead the way to the death of Neoliberalism.

I appreciate the honesty. Both parties need to be re-vamped and during Presidential campaigns at least 3 parties need to be on stage, not just the big 2...

(06-13-2023 04:58 PM)BigTigerMike Wrote:  Maximus is right. The two best campaigning I’ve seen so far is Vivek and RFK Jr. because they are very thought provoking campaigns that makes the listener think. Whoever is advising DeSantis is doing it all wrong as he’s trying to hard to be the ‘typical Republican’ but with just enough twist to make him not

So, are you planning to vote for him in the primary?