The Big10's been trying to keep their cards to their chest, but I think the AAU announcement may well have tipped their hand.

Miami being now in the AAU, is likely headed to the Big10, and I don't think they're waiting 13 years to do so.

But we're all going to have to wait while the ACC situation continues to unfold

In the meantime, I think the Big10 will add 2 schools.

The Big10
Arizona State and Colorado

AZ State becoming AAU just rings alarm bells. There's would seem to be a plan here. I think this was done to make USC happy.

This solves some of the "southern California island" issues, and makes them all contiguous, while adding two new states/markets, full of Big10 alumni. All while not infringing on recruitment, which adding more west coast schools would. And this also leaves the PAC (mostly) intact.

The 8 remaining PAC schools add SDSU for 9, and call it good.

And everything else will be on hold waiting for the ACC.

I don't think there is anything currently out there - even USF, Kansas, or Texas Tech - where the SEC is going to act before seeing how the ACC situation plays out.

And once it does, I think the Big10 goes for Miami and GT. (Both being AAU schools.)

VA/NC/Duke, and FSU, are question marks, as I think the SEC wants them as well.

Whatever happens, it should be interesting : )

Not downing the academic institution that is Arizona St but this is very timely AAU status for the school.

(06-02-2023 01:11 AM)BePcr07 Wrote:  Not downing the academic institution that is Arizona St but this is very timely AAU status for the school.

No argument.

I don't think these schools' AAU announcement is a coincidence at all.

If you want to talk about conspiracy theories, why not one where the Big 12 gets cut in to the future iteration of the autonomy group in exchange for cooperation elsewhere in the group. Allow the 4 corners to go Big 12, boosting the academic credentials immediately, then you get an ally in dealing with the networks in the future.

Of course, helmet-firsters and shortsighted posters may have the most trouble understanding this point but that doesn't take away its logic.

(06-02-2023 01:34 AM)Transic_nyc Wrote:  If you want to talk about conspiracy theories, why not one where the Big 12 gets cut in to the future iteration of the autonomy group in exchange for cooperation elsewhere in the group. Allow the 4 corners to go Big 12, boosting the academic credentials immediately, then you get an ally in dealing with the networks in the future.

Of course, helmet-firsters and shortsighted posters may have the most trouble understanding this point but that doesn't take away its logic.

I think the Big12 is happy to add the 3 or 4 Cs without any other encouragement needed : )

(06-02-2023 12:18 AM)Skyhawk Wrote:  The Big10's been trying to keep their cards to their chest, but I think the AAU announcement may well have tipped their hand.

Miami being now in the AAU, is likely headed to the Big10, and I don't think they're waiting 13 years to do so.

But we're all going to have to wait while the ACC situation continues to unfold

In the meantime, I think the Big10 will add 2 schools.

The Big10
Arizona State and Colorado

AZ State becoming AAU just rings alarm bells. There's would seem to be a plan here. I think this was done to make USC happy.

This solves some of the "southern California island" issues, and makes them all contiguous, while adding two new states/markets, full of Big10 alumni. All while not infringing on recruitment, which adding more west coast schools would. And this also leaves the PAC (mostly) intact.

The 8 remaining PAC schools add SDSU for 9, and call it good.

And everything else will be on hold waiting for the ACC.

I don't think there is anything currently out there - even USF, Kansas, or Texas Tech - where the SEC is going to act before seeing how the ACC situation plays out.

And once it does, I think the Big10 goes for Miami and GT. (Both being AAU schools.)

VA/NC/Duke, and FSU, are question marks, as I think the SEC wants them as well.

Whatever happens, it should be interesting : )

You are a little late on the Colorado and Arizona/Arizona State call, but it's a good one.

Delany stated that being contiguous was important.
It's also a good move in that it will give USC and UCLA a place to play an away game in November in warm weather, so that their schedule could be balanced as opposed to home game loaded in November (Southern Cal would play at Notre Dame in October, but never in November).

The LA schools being on an island. IMO, is their problem not the B1G's. They knew it gets cold and snowy in the rest of the league, that Nebraska is the closest conference mate and still opted in. The rest of the B1G can now have a yearly trip to So Cal. Half playing at USC the other half at UCLA. Do they really need another game in Arizona or the cool and rainy Northwest? Why should they care that the LA schools don't play in Arizona or No Cal anymore? If the B1G wants more warm weather games, it seems to me looking to expand in Florida is the better option.

B1G?
The power-flex move.

Toss the bird at the ACC.
The USC bait becomes irresistible.

Bring in newly named AAU ... Notre Dame.

FSU and Miami

Secure the Florida Market and fix the November Primetime issue

(06-02-2023 09:22 AM)The Sicatoka Wrote:  B1G?
The power-flex move.

Toss the bird at the ACC.
The USC bait becomes irresistible.

Bring in newly named AAU ... Notre Dame.

And let Notre Dame toss the bird to The Big Ten… again.
The Irish will remain independent until it’s untenable to do so.

I’ve followed Notre Dame since the 1960’s and I have always had the impression the Irish would join a conference kicking and screaming.
Terry would have to confirm if that’s changed or not.

(06-02-2023 10:05 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  And let Notre Dame toss the bird to The Big Ten… again.
The Irish will remain independent until it’s untenable to do so.

I’ve followed Notre Dame since the 1960’s and I have always had the impression the Irish would join a conference kicking and screaming.
Terry would have to confirm if that’s changed or not.

At the point Notre Dame joins a conference, college football may as well be the NFL. What the Irish have is so special and wonderful; I can't imagine they ever let it go.

(06-02-2023 10:05 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  [quote='The Sicatoka' pid='18962097' dateline='1685715770']
B1G?
The power-flex move.

Toss the bird at the ACC.
The USC bait becomes irresistible.

Bring in newly named AAU ... Notre Dame.

The AAU status hasn't ever prevented ND from being invited to the B1G. ND not wanting to join the B1G is what's always been in the way.

(06-02-2023 09:25 AM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote:  FSU and Miami

Secure the Florida Market and fix the November Primetime issue

FSU will be in the SEC by 2030 at latest. And the AAU around the same time if not sooner than that.

(06-02-2023 01:21 AM)Skyhawk Wrote:  

(06-02-2023 01:11 AM)BePcr07 Wrote:  Not downing the academic institution that is Arizona St but this is very timely AAU status for the school.

No argument.

I don't think these schools' AAU announcement is a coincidence at all.

Here's the other thing, if the B1G knows CU will go to the Big 12, why not undercut the Big 12 and work out a deal and bring in UO UW CU ASU at reduced shares. Stanford or Cal could be included as well. That's 21 potential schools and still leaves room for eastern expansion in 2030 (FSU Miami ND potentially).

Of course, they may not value CU and would rather take Cal. Either way, the payouts for these schools are not going to exceed 40 million even in the B1G, should they jump to 20+ schools.

(06-02-2023 10:28 AM)RUScarlets Wrote:  Here's the other thing, if the B1G knows CU will go to the Big 12, why not undercut the Big 12 and work out a deal and bring in UO UW CU ASU at reduced shares. Stanford or Cal could be included as well. That's 21 potential schools and still leaves room for eastern expansion in 2030 (FSU Miami ND potentially).

Of course, they may not value CU and would rather take Cal. Either way, the payouts for these schools are not going to exceed 40 million even in the B1G, should they jump to 20+ schools.

Here's my question with all of this: Why bother?

The Big Ten won't make more money per school by bringing those schools in. They are already at a (huge) competitive disadvantage to their only rival conference, and aside from Oregon all of the schools you mentioned will only dilute the Big Ten's football product.

So how about they just stay at 16? Or maybe wait ten years before they add Oregon and Miami or Florida State? The Big Ten is holding Golden Tickets right now and they have no reason to dole them out if it doesn't actually help their current member institutions.

(06-02-2023 10:05 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  The Irish will remain independent until it’s untenable to do so.

I agree.
But with the SEC/B1G dollars flying around, are we there.

(06-02-2023 10:32 AM)OneSockUp Wrote:  The Big Ten won't make more money per school by bringing those schools in. ...

The Big Ten is holding Golden Tickets right now and they have no reason to dole them out if it doesn't actually help their current member institutions.

To my eye only one school is "the juice worth the squeeze", is what they bring worth a full share.

B1G has the golden tickets; the team worth the squeeze ... wears golden domes.

Tell me any other school with positive ROI to the B1G immediately upon admission.

(06-02-2023 10:32 AM)OneSockUp Wrote:  

(06-02-2023 10:28 AM)RUScarlets Wrote:  Here's the other thing, if the B1G knows CU will go to the Big 12, why not undercut the Big 12 and work out a deal and bring in UO UW CU ASU at reduced shares. Stanford or Cal could be included as well. That's 21 potential schools and still leaves room for eastern expansion in 2030 (FSU Miami ND potentially).

Of course, they may not value CU and would rather take Cal. Either way, the payouts for these schools are not going to exceed 40 million even in the B1G, should they jump to 20+ schools.

Here's my question with all of this: Why bother?

The Big Ten won't make more money per school by bringing those schools in. They are already at a (huge) competitive disadvantage to their only rival conference, and aside from Oregon all of the schools you mentioned will only dilute the Big Ten's football product.

So how about they just stay at 16? Or maybe wait ten years before they add Oregon and Miami or Florida State? The Big Ten is holding Golden Tickets right now and they have no reason to dole them out if it doesn't actually help their current member institutions.

How are they at a huge competitive disadvantage? They both will have a comparable number of teams in a 12 team CFP. Who cares if the SEC's bottom is stronger than the B1G's bottom? They aren't drawing eyeballs or recruits from the top teams.

(06-02-2023 10:55 AM)ken d Wrote:  

(06-02-2023 10:32 AM)OneSockUp Wrote:  The Big Ten won't make more money per school by bringing those schools in. They are already at a (huge) competitive disadvantage to their only rival conference, and aside from Oregon all of the schools you mentioned will only dilute the Big Ten's football product.

How are they at a huge competitive disadvantage? They both will have a comparable number of teams in a 12 team CFP. Who cares if the SEC's bottom is stronger than the B1G's bottom? They aren't drawing eyeballs or recruits from the top teams.

Seriously?

The SEC has won six national titles by three programs since the Big Ten's last national championship, and eight more championship's since the Big Ten's last before that.

Since the last time a team other than Ohio State has won the national title, Florida, LSU, Tennessee, Alabama, Auburn, and Georgia have all won one -- as have Oklahoma and Texas.

(06-02-2023 04:39 AM)XLance Wrote:  

(06-02-2023 12:18 AM)Skyhawk Wrote:  The Big10's been trying to keep their cards to their chest, but I think the AAU announcement may well have tipped their hand.

Miami being now in the AAU, is likely headed to the Big10, and I don't think they're waiting 13 years to do so.

But we're all going to have to wait while the ACC situation continues to unfold

In the meantime, I think the Big10 will add 2 schools.

The Big10
Arizona State and Colorado

AZ State becoming AAU just rings alarm bells. There's would seem to be a plan here. I think this was done to make USC happy.

This solves some of the "southern California island" issues, and makes them all contiguous, while adding two new states/markets, full of Big10 alumni. All while not infringing on recruitment, which adding more west coast schools would. And this also leaves the PAC (mostly) intact.

The 8 remaining PAC schools add SDSU for 9, and call it good.

And everything else will be on hold waiting for the ACC.

I don't think there is anything currently out there - even USF, Kansas, or Texas Tech - where the SEC is going to act before seeing how the ACC situation plays out.

And once it does, I think the Big10 goes for Miami and GT. (Both being AAU schools.)

VA/NC/Duke, and FSU, are question marks, as I think the SEC wants them as well.

Whatever happens, it should be interesting : )

You are a little late on the Colorado and Arizona/Arizona State call, but it's a good one.

Delany stated that being contiguous was important.
It's also a good move in that it will give USC and UCLA a place to play an away game in November in warm weather, so that their schedule could be balanced as opposed to home game loaded in November (Southern Cal would play at Notre Dame in October, but never in November).

Actually I posted about Arizona State back when I first started posting here.

(I'd try to pull up the posts, but I can't seem to get any of my posts older than February : )

The responses at the time from posters, as I recall, were mostly pretty negative. Mostly due to admissions practices, if I remember correctly. And that they would never be AAU due to this reason or that.

But I just kept looking at the map and thought that Arizona State and either Colorado or Stanford (or both) seemed to make sense based upon various criteria.

And now that AZ state is AAU, I think that that idea has grown wings.