(05-12-2023 03:55 PM)Eagleyed Wrote:  

(05-12-2023 03:34 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(05-12-2023 03:07 PM)Eagleyed Wrote:  

(05-12-2023 02:46 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(05-12-2023 12:59 PM)Eagleyed Wrote:  The left is pretty consistent in defending people who try to kidnap little girls, and punch old ladies. 2 of the many things this man has done.

The guy who choked him to death had no idea of any of that. None is relevant in court or in the decision to charge him.

It doesn’t matter what he did before, you don’t get to kill him for it like some kind of subway vigilante. If it isn’t self defense because you or someone else’s life is in danger then it’s manslaughter / murder.

If someone breaks into your house and you kill them right there it’s self defense. A reasonable person would think their life was in danger. If they break in, then run away when they figure out you are there, and you chase them outside and shoot them in the street that is murder / manslaughter. There is no “he deserved it” affirmative defense.

Ah but here's the thing, this is what the left doesn't understand. If someone is acting like that on the Subway its because they are a criminal. An easy indication is the lack of care for others. It's why the left will forever be defending low life scum who after inspection turn out to be criminals. Just as all the other low life scum the leftists promote to sainthood turn out to be criminals.

It's why leftists cities have such high murder rates. They tell these criminals they can get away with by letting them off again and again then they kill someone. It's wonder the murder rate inside these leftist cities is so high.'

You will forever be defending the Neely's of this world who will forever be turning out to be criminals. We will forever not be surprised because we know people who act like that are always criminals who at any minute will go off and kill someone.

The murder rate is NYC is 5.2 per 100k, and SFO is 6.9 per 100k. Dallas is 16, Houston is 19.

Crime in NYC and SFO makes news, but happens at a much lower rate than other cities.

Hell, Salt Lake City is 7.5 per 100k so higher than NYC or SFO and still considered very low.

To your other point saying you can’t kill people on the subway for yelling is in no way defending their previous actions. You don’t get to decide someone deserved to die because after the fact it turned out they had a criminal record. The inability of people here to separate that is frightening.

Salt Lake city's Mayor is a lefty who thinks criminals will be reformed if they are let of the 40th time they will be good this time. So not sure what your point is. All the cities high crime rates, because they are all lefty run. The few cities that don't like Jacksonville have weird city/county rule where the mayor doesn't really have authority over how policing/prosecution is done in the city.

As for point number 2. I know he is a criminal because of his actions on the Subway. Only long time criminals act like that.

I also have previously in this thread said he shouldn't have died. But, you are going to throw someone with a non criminal record in prison in favor of a criminal. There is no telling when this guy could have suddenly produced a knife from somewhere and killed someone. Cause when you act like that, it's a lethal situation.

In the end this never should have happened because he should have been in a mental institution or jail. But, lefty policies made it where he was back on the streets after 40 arrests.

The Jacksonville murder rate is three times the murder rate of NYC or SFO. You are the one who said leftist cities have higher crime rates. Higher than what? NYC and SFO aren’t higher than the murder rates of other cities in conservative states. Hell, their murder rate is less that the majority of southern states averages across the state.

You tried to say these cities have massive violent crime problems, my point is that they don’t have higher violent crime, they have lower violent crime that gets more media exposure.

It doesn’t matter if you think he’s a criminal because only long time criminals act like that. If you look in the states statutes for manslaughter you aren’t going to find a line that says “It’s OK as long as you thought he was a criminal”.

(05-12-2023 04:27 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(05-12-2023 03:55 PM)Eagleyed Wrote:  

(05-12-2023 03:34 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(05-12-2023 03:07 PM)Eagleyed Wrote:  

(05-12-2023 02:46 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  The guy who choked him to death had no idea of any of that. None is relevant in court or in the decision to charge him.

It doesn’t matter what he did before, you don’t get to kill him for it like some kind of subway vigilante. If it isn’t self defense because you or someone else’s life is in danger then it’s manslaughter / murder.

If someone breaks into your house and you kill them right there it’s self defense. A reasonable person would think their life was in danger. If they break in, then run away when they figure out you are there, and you chase them outside and shoot them in the street that is murder / manslaughter. There is no “he deserved it” affirmative defense.

Ah but here's the thing, this is what the left doesn't understand. If someone is acting like that on the Subway its because they are a criminal. An easy indication is the lack of care for others. It's why the left will forever be defending low life scum who after inspection turn out to be criminals. Just as all the other low life scum the leftists promote to sainthood turn out to be criminals.

It's why leftists cities have such high murder rates. They tell these criminals they can get away with by letting them off again and again then they kill someone. It's wonder the murder rate inside these leftist cities is so high.'

You will forever be defending the Neely's of this world who will forever be turning out to be criminals. We will forever not be surprised because we know people who act like that are always criminals who at any minute will go off and kill someone.

The murder rate is NYC is 5.2 per 100k, and SFO is 6.9 per 100k. Dallas is 16, Houston is 19.

Crime in NYC and SFO makes news, but happens at a much lower rate than other cities.

Hell, Salt Lake City is 7.5 per 100k so higher than NYC or SFO and still considered very low.

To your other point saying you can’t kill people on the subway for yelling is in no way defending their previous actions. You don’t get to decide someone deserved to die because after the fact it turned out they had a criminal record. The inability of people here to separate that is frightening.

Salt Lake city's Mayor is a lefty who thinks criminals will be reformed if they are let of the 40th time they will be good this time. So not sure what your point is. All the cities high crime rates, because they are all lefty run. The few cities that don't like Jacksonville have weird city/county rule where the mayor doesn't really have authority over how policing/prosecution is done in the city.

As for point number 2. I know he is a criminal because of his actions on the Subway. Only long time criminals act like that.

I also have previously in this thread said he shouldn't have died. But, you are going to throw someone with a non criminal record in prison in favor of a criminal. There is no telling when this guy could have suddenly produced a knife from somewhere and killed someone. Cause when you act like that, it's a lethal situation.

In the end this never should have happened because he should have been in a mental institution or jail. But, lefty policies made it where he was back on the streets after 40 arrests.

The Jacksonville murder rate is three times the murder rate of NYC or SFO. You are the one who said leftist cities have higher crime rates. Higher than what? NYC and SFO aren’t higher than the murder rates of other cities in conservative states. Hell, their murder rate is less that the majority of southern states averages across the state.

You tried to say these cities have massive violent crime problems, my point is that they don’t have higher violent crime, they have lower violent crime that gets more media exposure.

It doesn’t matter if you think he’s a criminal because only long time criminals act like that. If you look in the states statutes for manslaughter you aren’t going to find a line that says “It’s OK as long as you thought he was a criminal”.

Lower than small towns and the countryside where anyone acts like that I can guarantee he's not getting let off 40+ times.

There is no thought he was a criminal. His behavior right there was criminal. He was acting incredibly dangerous. People that act dangerous are. As can be seen by the fact that he punched an old lady and tried to kidnap a young girl.

I have no problem saying that I hope every leftist in this country, including the ones on this board, reap what they are sowing.

I hope they are the ONLY ones injured and killed by the criminal rot and decay they support and vote for. I hope no normal people are impacted.

The BLM DA perp walked this young man. Despicable piece of **** scum.

Elvis, once this young man goes through the Kyle Rittenhouse treatment and every person on that subway car testifies in his defense.... and he is freed, I expect apologies for your idiotic posts.

BUT... if you happen upon a subway car or are walking down a street in a leftist shithole city and are attacked and beat to an inch of your life.... dont come here looking for sympathy from me, because you deserved every last bit of it.

Peace


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(05-12-2023 04:32 PM)Eagleyed Wrote:  

(05-12-2023 04:27 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(05-12-2023 03:55 PM)Eagleyed Wrote:  

(05-12-2023 03:34 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(05-12-2023 03:07 PM)Eagleyed Wrote:  Ah but here's the thing, this is what the left doesn't understand. If someone is acting like that on the Subway its because they are a criminal. An easy indication is the lack of care for others. It's why the left will forever be defending low life scum who after inspection turn out to be criminals. Just as all the other low life scum the leftists promote to sainthood turn out to be criminals.

It's why leftists cities have such high murder rates. They tell these criminals they can get away with by letting them off again and again then they kill someone. It's wonder the murder rate inside these leftist cities is so high.'

You will forever be defending the Neely's of this world who will forever be turning out to be criminals. We will forever not be surprised because we know people who act like that are always criminals who at any minute will go off and kill someone.

The murder rate is NYC is 5.2 per 100k, and SFO is 6.9 per 100k. Dallas is 16, Houston is 19.

Crime in NYC and SFO makes news, but happens at a much lower rate than other cities.

Hell, Salt Lake City is 7.5 per 100k so higher than NYC or SFO and still considered very low.

To your other point saying you can’t kill people on the subway for yelling is in no way defending their previous actions. You don’t get to decide someone deserved to die because after the fact it turned out they had a criminal record. The inability of people here to separate that is frightening.

Salt Lake city's Mayor is a lefty who thinks criminals will be reformed if they are let of the 40th time they will be good this time. So not sure what your point is. All the cities high crime rates, because they are all lefty run. The few cities that don't like Jacksonville have weird city/county rule where the mayor doesn't really have authority over how policing/prosecution is done in the city.

As for point number 2. I know he is a criminal because of his actions on the Subway. Only long time criminals act like that.

I also have previously in this thread said he shouldn't have died. But, you are going to throw someone with a non criminal record in prison in favor of a criminal. There is no telling when this guy could have suddenly produced a knife from somewhere and killed someone. Cause when you act like that, it's a lethal situation.

In the end this never should have happened because he should have been in a mental institution or jail. But, lefty policies made it where he was back on the streets after 40 arrests.

The Jacksonville murder rate is three times the murder rate of NYC or SFO. You are the one who said leftist cities have higher crime rates. Higher than what? NYC and SFO aren’t higher than the murder rates of other cities in conservative states. Hell, their murder rate is less that the majority of southern states averages across the state.

You tried to say these cities have massive violent crime problems, my point is that they don’t have higher violent crime, they have lower violent crime that gets more media exposure.

It doesn’t matter if you think he’s a criminal because only long time criminals act like that. If you look in the states statutes for manslaughter you aren’t going to find a line that says “It’s OK as long as you thought he was a criminal”.

Lower than small towns and the countryside where anyone acts like that I can guarantee he's not getting let off 40+ times.

There is no thought he was a criminal. His behavior right there was criminal. He was acting incredibly dangerous. People that act dangerous are. As can be seen by the fact that he punched an old lady and tried to kidnap a young girl.

So your thought process here is the only reason that NYC has slightly higher Murder rate than Mayberry (while still being lower than the majority of southern states averages) is politics and has nothing to do with population density.

(05-12-2023 06:53 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  So your thought process here is the only reason that NYC has slightly higher Murder rate than Mayberry (while still being lower than the majority of southern states averages) is politics and has nothing to do with population density.

The murder by year clearly shows that it's not population density and is indeed politics. Rudy Giuliani changed the catch and release policy of minor crimes and made it where you go to jail for breaking a window. The results were incredible. The murder rate quickly dropped to just 20% of what it was.

This proved that if you stop small crimes like this thug on the subway you stop big crime like murders as well.

Now New York city is implementing the same catch and release soft on criminals policies as before. And low and behold the murder rate is rising.

(05-12-2023 06:53 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(05-12-2023 04:32 PM)Eagleyed Wrote:  

(05-12-2023 04:27 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(05-12-2023 03:55 PM)Eagleyed Wrote:  

(05-12-2023 03:34 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  The murder rate is NYC is 5.2 per 100k, and SFO is 6.9 per 100k. Dallas is 16, Houston is 19.

Crime in NYC and SFO makes news, but happens at a much lower rate than other cities.

Hell, Salt Lake City is 7.5 per 100k so higher than NYC or SFO and still considered very low.

To your other point saying you can’t kill people on the subway for yelling is in no way defending their previous actions. You don’t get to decide someone deserved to die because after the fact it turned out they had a criminal record. The inability of people here to separate that is frightening.

Salt Lake city's Mayor is a lefty who thinks criminals will be reformed if they are let of the 40th time they will be good this time. So not sure what your point is. All the cities high crime rates, because they are all lefty run. The few cities that don't like Jacksonville have weird city/county rule where the mayor doesn't really have authority over how policing/prosecution is done in the city.

As for point number 2. I know he is a criminal because of his actions on the Subway. Only long time criminals act like that.

I also have previously in this thread said he shouldn't have died. But, you are going to throw someone with a non criminal record in prison in favor of a criminal. There is no telling when this guy could have suddenly produced a knife from somewhere and killed someone. Cause when you act like that, it's a lethal situation.

In the end this never should have happened because he should have been in a mental institution or jail. But, lefty policies made it where he was back on the streets after 40 arrests.

The Jacksonville murder rate is three times the murder rate of NYC or SFO. You are the one who said leftist cities have higher crime rates. Higher than what? NYC and SFO aren’t higher than the murder rates of other cities in conservative states. Hell, their murder rate is less that the majority of southern states averages across the state.

You tried to say these cities have massive violent crime problems, my point is that they don’t have higher violent crime, they have lower violent crime that gets more media exposure.

It doesn’t matter if you think he’s a criminal because only long time criminals act like that. If you look in the states statutes for manslaughter you aren’t going to find a line that says “It’s OK as long as you thought he was a criminal”.

Lower than small towns and the countryside where anyone acts like that I can guarantee he's not getting let off 40+ times.

There is no thought he was a criminal. His behavior right there was criminal. He was acting incredibly dangerous. People that act dangerous are. As can be seen by the fact that he punched an old lady and tried to kidnap a young girl.

So your thought process here is the only reason that NYC has slightly higher Murder rate than Mayberry (while still being lower than the majority of southern states averages) is politics and has nothing to do with population density.

Can you please elaborate on violent crime stats?

Because I honestly think you're a ******* idiot and don't understand, but please elaborate.

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Just like this... you dumb leftist ******* think nothing is happening....

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(05-12-2023 09:52 PM)maximus Wrote:  

(05-12-2023 06:53 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(05-12-2023 04:32 PM)Eagleyed Wrote:  

(05-12-2023 04:27 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(05-12-2023 03:55 PM)Eagleyed Wrote:  Salt Lake city's Mayor is a lefty who thinks criminals will be reformed if they are let of the 40th time they will be good this time. So not sure what your point is. All the cities high crime rates, because they are all lefty run. The few cities that don't like Jacksonville have weird city/county rule where the mayor doesn't really have authority over how policing/prosecution is done in the city.

As for point number 2. I know he is a criminal because of his actions on the Subway. Only long time criminals act like that.

I also have previously in this thread said he shouldn't have died. But, you are going to throw someone with a non criminal record in prison in favor of a criminal. There is no telling when this guy could have suddenly produced a knife from somewhere and killed someone. Cause when you act like that, it's a lethal situation.

In the end this never should have happened because he should have been in a mental institution or jail. But, lefty policies made it where he was back on the streets after 40 arrests.

The Jacksonville murder rate is three times the murder rate of NYC or SFO. You are the one who said leftist cities have higher crime rates. Higher than what? NYC and SFO aren’t higher than the murder rates of other cities in conservative states. Hell, their murder rate is less that the majority of southern states averages across the state.

You tried to say these cities have massive violent crime problems, my point is that they don’t have higher violent crime, they have lower violent crime that gets more media exposure.

It doesn’t matter if you think he’s a criminal because only long time criminals act like that. If you look in the states statutes for manslaughter you aren’t going to find a line that says “It’s OK as long as you thought he was a criminal”.

Lower than small towns and the countryside where anyone acts like that I can guarantee he's not getting let off 40+ times.

There is no thought he was a criminal. His behavior right there was criminal. He was acting incredibly dangerous. People that act dangerous are. As can be seen by the fact that he punched an old lady and tried to kidnap a young girl.

So your thought process here is the only reason that NYC has slightly higher Murder rate than Mayberry (while still being lower than the majority of southern states averages) is politics and has nothing to do with population density.

Can you please elaborate on violent crime stats?

Because I honestly think you're a ******* idiot and don't understand, but please elaborate.

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Here are the states that have a higher murder rate than NYC :

Mississippi
Louisiana
Alabama
Missouri
Arkansas
South Carolina
Tennessee
Maryland
Illinois
New Mexico
Georgia
Delaware
Indiana
Kentucky
Ohio
Oklahoma’s
Michigan
North Carolina
Pennsylvania
Florida
Texas
Arizona
Alaska
Nevada
Kansas
West Virginia
Montana
South Dakota
Virginia
California
Wisconsin
Colorado

Murder rate per 100k still means New York has MANY MANY more murders than Mississippi. It's nothing but a convenient line of BS for people like you.

"Lies, damned lies, and statistics"

(05-13-2023 08:43 AM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(05-12-2023 09:52 PM)maximus Wrote:  

(05-12-2023 06:53 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(05-12-2023 04:32 PM)Eagleyed Wrote:  

(05-12-2023 04:27 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  The Jacksonville murder rate is three times the murder rate of NYC or SFO. You are the one who said leftist cities have higher crime rates. Higher than what? NYC and SFO aren’t higher than the murder rates of other cities in conservative states. Hell, their murder rate is less that the majority of southern states averages across the state.

You tried to say these cities have massive violent crime problems, my point is that they don’t have higher violent crime, they have lower violent crime that gets more media exposure.

It doesn’t matter if you think he’s a criminal because only long time criminals act like that. If you look in the states statutes for manslaughter you aren’t going to find a line that says “It’s OK as long as you thought he was a criminal”.

Lower than small towns and the countryside where anyone acts like that I can guarantee he's not getting let off 40+ times.

There is no thought he was a criminal. His behavior right there was criminal. He was acting incredibly dangerous. People that act dangerous are. As can be seen by the fact that he punched an old lady and tried to kidnap a young girl.

So your thought process here is the only reason that NYC has slightly higher Murder rate than Mayberry (while still being lower than the majority of southern states averages) is politics and has nothing to do with population density.

Can you please elaborate on violent crime stats?

Because I honestly think you're a ******* idiot and don't understand, but please elaborate.

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Here are the states that have a higher murder rate than NYC :

Mississippi
Louisiana
Alabama
Missouri
Arkansas
South Carolina
Tennessee
Maryland
Illinois
New Mexico
Georgia
Delaware
Indiana
Kentucky
Ohio
Oklahoma’s
Michigan
North Carolina
Pennsylvania
Florida
Texas
Arizona
Alaska
Nevada
Kansas
West Virginia
Montana
South Dakota
Virginia
California
Wisconsin
Colorado

According to an article written by Time magazine...NYC was among many metro cities that either had incomplete data or failed to report this data to the FBI in 2021. I have no idea how one could come to such data without being dishonest about the numbers. Im going to have to call fabrics on this.

(05-13-2023 09:06 AM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  Murder rate per 100k still means New York has MANY MANY more murders than Mississippi. It's nothing but a convenient line of BS for people like you.

"Lies, damned lies, and statistics"

NYC had 485 murders in 2021.

Mississippi had 656.

(05-13-2023 10:36 AM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(05-13-2023 09:06 AM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  Murder rate per 100k still means New York has MANY MANY more murders than Mississippi. It's nothing but a convenient line of BS for people like you.

"Lies, damned lies, and statistics"

NYC had 485 murders in 2021.

Mississippi had 656.

You really believe that? Wow.

(05-13-2023 09:21 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(05-13-2023 08:43 AM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(05-12-2023 09:52 PM)maximus Wrote:  

(05-12-2023 06:53 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(05-12-2023 04:32 PM)Eagleyed Wrote:  Lower than small towns and the countryside where anyone acts like that I can guarantee he's not getting let off 40+ times.

There is no thought he was a criminal. His behavior right there was criminal. He was acting incredibly dangerous. People that act dangerous are. As can be seen by the fact that he punched an old lady and tried to kidnap a young girl.

So your thought process here is the only reason that NYC has slightly higher Murder rate than Mayberry (while still being lower than the majority of southern states averages) is politics and has nothing to do with population density.

Can you please elaborate on violent crime stats?

Because I honestly think you're a ******* idiot and don't understand, but please elaborate.

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Here are the states that have a higher murder rate than NYC :

Mississippi
Louisiana
Alabama
Missouri
Arkansas
South Carolina
Tennessee
Maryland
Illinois
New Mexico
Georgia
Delaware
Indiana
Kentucky
Ohio
Oklahoma’s
Michigan
North Carolina
Pennsylvania
Florida
Texas
Arizona
Alaska
Nevada
Kansas
West Virginia
Montana
South Dakota
Virginia
California
Wisconsin
Colorado

According to an article written by Time magazine...NYC was among many metro cities that either had incomplete data or failed to report this data to the FBI in 2021. I have no idea how one could come to such data without being dishonest about the numbers. Im going to have to call fabrics on this.

The NYC data is directly reported by NYPD, the state data is from death certs.

Reporting to FBI uniform crime stats is voluntary, reporting death certificates is mandatory.

More proof of the old adage "lies, damn lies, and statistics".

Let's get to the real facts - total deaths by murder in each state. Not "death rate per 100,000" or other mathematical effort to hide the raw numbers of US citizens that were killed by other people.

The CDC site below lays out the truth. Check the far right hand column DEATHS in the table show in the site. That shows the raw numbers of people who were murdered in each individual US state.

The DEATH RATE number is just BULLS HIT to gloss over the severity in the more populated cities in those states. The latest data is from 2021, which is reflected below,

Here are the top ten states (total murdered citizens):
CA (2495)
TX (2391)
IL (1487)
FL (1468)
GA (1206)
PN (1101)
OH (1020)
NC (991)
LA (943)
NY (918)

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/sosma...micide.htm

(05-13-2023 11:07 AM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(05-13-2023 09:21 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(05-13-2023 08:43 AM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(05-12-2023 09:52 PM)maximus Wrote:  

(05-12-2023 06:53 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  So your thought process here is the only reason that NYC has slightly higher Murder rate than Mayberry (while still being lower than the majority of southern states averages) is politics and has nothing to do with population density.

Can you please elaborate on violent crime stats?

Because I honestly think you're a ******* idiot and don't understand, but please elaborate.

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Here are the states that have a higher murder rate than NYC :

Mississippi
Louisiana
Alabama
Missouri
Arkansas
South Carolina
Tennessee
Maryland
Illinois
New Mexico
Georgia
Delaware
Indiana
Kentucky
Ohio
Oklahoma’s
Michigan
North Carolina
Pennsylvania
Florida
Texas
Arizona
Alaska
Nevada
Kansas
West Virginia
Montana
South Dakota
Virginia
California
Wisconsin
Colorado

According to an article written by Time magazine...NYC was among many metro cities that either had incomplete data or failed to report this data to the FBI in 2021. I have no idea how one could come to such data without being dishonest about the numbers. Im going to have to call fabrics on this.

The NYC data is directly reported by NYPD, the state data is from death certs.

Reporting to FBI uniform crime stats is voluntary, reporting death certificates is mandatory.

Move there

(05-13-2023 11:50 AM)shere khan Wrote:  

(05-13-2023 11:07 AM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(05-13-2023 09:21 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(05-13-2023 08:43 AM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(05-12-2023 09:52 PM)maximus Wrote:  Can you please elaborate on violent crime stats?

Because I honestly think you're a ******* idiot and don't understand, but please elaborate.

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Here are the states that have a higher murder rate than NYC :

Mississippi
Louisiana
Alabama
Missouri
Arkansas
South Carolina
Tennessee
Maryland
Illinois
New Mexico
Georgia
Delaware
Indiana
Kentucky
Ohio
Oklahoma’s
Michigan
North Carolina
Pennsylvania
Florida
Texas
Arizona
Alaska
Nevada
Kansas
West Virginia
Montana
South Dakota
Virginia
California
Wisconsin
Colorado

According to an article written by Time magazine...NYC was among many metro cities that either had incomplete data or failed to report this data to the FBI in 2021. I have no idea how one could come to such data without being dishonest about the numbers. Im going to have to call fabrics on this.

The NYC data is directly reported by NYPD, the state data is from death certs.

Reporting to FBI uniform crime stats is voluntary, reporting death certificates is mandatory.

Move there

I've lived in NYC for about 1.5 years early in my career. I go back about 4 times a year. I'm not scared of the big bad big city like a lot of yall.

I haven't lived in San Francisco, but worked out of an office in the south bay for two years so know the area pretty well.

(05-13-2023 12:01 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  I've lived in NYC for about 1.5 years early in my career. I go back about 4 times a year. I'm not scared of the big bad big city like a lot of yall.

I haven't lived in San Francisco, but worked out of an office in the south bay for two years so know the area pretty well.

Who is scared of NYC? Not me but that is not the reason I have no desire to go there. It's a sh!thole. Period. Been there many times and see no reason to subject myself to it.

(05-13-2023 11:49 AM)boss man Wrote:  More proof of the old adage "lies, damn lies, and statistics".

Let's get to the real facts - total deaths by murder in each state. Not "death rate per 100,000" or other mathematical effort to hide the raw numbers of US citizens that were killed by other people.

The CDC site below lays out the truth. Check the far right hand column DEATHS in the table show in the site. That shows the raw numbers of people who were murdered in each individual US state.

The DEATH RATE number is just BULLS HIT to gloss over the severity in the more populated cities in those states. The latest data is from 2021, which is reflected below,

Here are the top ten states (total murdered citizens):
CA (2495)
TX (2391)
IL (1487)
FL (1468)
GA (1206)
PN (1101)
OH (1020)
NC (991)
LA (943)
NY (918)

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/sosma...micide.htm

OH my God. You mean to tell me that more people in one area means more deaths? Next your going to tell us how low traffic fatalities were in the 1800s.

If you don't understand that rate per 100k is how to compare the rate of something across two populations of different sizes there is no hope for you.

There are also some interesting ones here. Georgia has about 1.7M more people than NYC but has almost 3x the murders.. Louisiana has half the population and double the murders of NYC.

You're just not the sharpest crayon in the box are you Elvis....

(05-13-2023 09:21 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(05-13-2023 08:43 AM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(05-12-2023 09:52 PM)maximus Wrote:  

(05-12-2023 06:53 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(05-12-2023 04:32 PM)Eagleyed Wrote:  Lower than small towns and the countryside where anyone acts like that I can guarantee he's not getting let off 40+ times.

There is no thought he was a criminal. His behavior right there was criminal. He was acting incredibly dangerous. People that act dangerous are. As can be seen by the fact that he punched an old lady and tried to kidnap a young girl.

So your thought process here is the only reason that NYC has slightly higher Murder rate than Mayberry (while still being lower than the majority of southern states averages) is politics and has nothing to do with population density.

Can you please elaborate on violent crime stats?

Because I honestly think you're a ******* idiot and don't understand, but please elaborate.

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Here are the states that have a higher murder rate than NYC :

Mississippi
Louisiana
Alabama
Missouri
Arkansas
South Carolina
Tennessee
Maryland
Illinois
New Mexico
Georgia
Delaware
Indiana
Kentucky
Ohio
Oklahoma’s
Michigan
North Carolina
Pennsylvania
Florida
Texas
Arizona
Alaska
Nevada
Kansas
West Virginia
Montana
South Dakota
Virginia
California
Wisconsin
Colorado

According to an article written by Time magazine...NYC was among many metro cities that either had incomplete data or failed to report this data to the FBI in 2021. I have no idea how one could come to such data without being dishonest about the numbers. Im going to have to call fabrics on this.

It was either New York state and Califa that didn't report, or specifically NYC and LA/SFO that didn't report, I don't recall which it was.

But yes, these places in some form did not report their year end stats to the FBI or whomever. And of course it was just ignored, no one tried to compel them to that I am aware of.