The idea is to make the other fellow die protecting his.

As nearly as I can tell, the SOB needed killing.

(05-12-2023 10:59 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  As nearly as I can tell, the SOB needed killing.

Public service

(05-11-2023 03:41 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  You guys are consistent in your stance of "It's ok to murder whatever type of human I don't personally like", I'll give you that.

The left is pretty consistent in defending people who try to kidnap little girls, and punch old ladies. 2 of the many things this man has done.

(05-11-2023 06:24 PM)maximus Wrote:  Here Elvis, let me help....

I hope this dick reaps what he sows as well...
It should only happen to him, his family, or friends.... no one else should be impacted.

You make your bed... you wallow in it, my man. You're wishing it on yourself, im simply saying you and yours should only suffer, not normal people.

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I personally like my property more than I like a lot of people's lives.

If I could find the people that stole $50k worth of my equipment from me, I would shoot them in the face and sleep soundly that night if there were no legal repercussions for it.

I can have a little sympathy for someone stealing food to eat, but anything else, their lives aren't worth a thing to me.

(05-12-2023 12:59 PM)Eagleyed Wrote:  

(05-11-2023 03:41 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  You guys are consistent in your stance of "It's ok to murder whatever type of human I don't personally like", I'll give you that.

The left is pretty consistent in defending people who try to kidnap little girls, and punch old ladies. 2 of the many things this man has done.

The guy who choked him to death had no idea of any of that. None is relevant in court or in the decision to charge him.

It doesn’t matter what he did before, you don’t get to kill him for it like some kind of subway vigilante. If it isn’t self defense because you or someone else’s life is in danger then it’s manslaughter / murder.

If someone breaks into your house and you kill them right there it’s self defense. A reasonable person would think their life was in danger. If they break in, then run away when they figure out you are there, and you chase them outside and shoot them in the street that is murder / manslaughter. There is no “he deserved it” affirmative defense.

(05-12-2023 02:46 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(05-12-2023 12:59 PM)Eagleyed Wrote:  

(05-11-2023 03:41 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  You guys are consistent in your stance of "It's ok to murder whatever type of human I don't personally like", I'll give you that.

The left is pretty consistent in defending people who try to kidnap little girls, and punch old ladies. 2 of the many things this man has done.

The guy who choked him to death had no idea of any of that. None is relevant in court or in the decision to charge him.

It doesn’t matter what he did before, you don’t get to kill him for it like some kind of subway vigilante. If it isn’t self defense because you or someone else’s life is in danger then it’s manslaughter / murder.

If someone breaks into your house and you kill them right there it’s self defense. A reasonable person would think their life was in danger. If they break in, then run away when they figure out you are there, and you chase them outside and shoot them in the street that is murder / manslaughter. There is no “he deserved it” affirmative defense.

If this were a Black man that put a White man in a choke hold, you'd say absolutely nothing.

Faux outrage. Spare us.

(05-12-2023 02:51 PM)oruvoice Wrote:  

(05-12-2023 02:46 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(05-12-2023 12:59 PM)Eagleyed Wrote:  

(05-11-2023 03:41 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  You guys are consistent in your stance of "It's ok to murder whatever type of human I don't personally like", I'll give you that.

The left is pretty consistent in defending people who try to kidnap little girls, and punch old ladies. 2 of the many things this man has done.

The guy who choked him to death had no idea of any of that. None is relevant in court or in the decision to charge him.

It doesn’t matter what he did before, you don’t get to kill him for it like some kind of subway vigilante. If it isn’t self defense because you or someone else’s life is in danger then it’s manslaughter / murder.

If someone breaks into your house and you kill them right there it’s self defense. A reasonable person would think their life was in danger. If they break in, then run away when they figure out you are there, and you chase them outside and shoot them in the street that is murder / manslaughter. There is no “he deserved it” affirmative defense.

If this were a Black man that put a White man in a choke hold, you'd say absolutely nothing.

Faux outrage. Spare us.

Did trump endorse some Tarot card brand and I missed it? You certainly seem to think you can read minds.

Flip the race and Id say the same think. Manslaughter / Murder is Manslaughter / Murder.

(05-12-2023 02:46 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(05-12-2023 12:59 PM)Eagleyed Wrote:  

(05-11-2023 03:41 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  You guys are consistent in your stance of "It's ok to murder whatever type of human I don't personally like", I'll give you that.

The left is pretty consistent in defending people who try to kidnap little girls, and punch old ladies. 2 of the many things this man has done.

The guy who choked him to death had no idea of any of that. None is relevant in court or in the decision to charge him.

It doesn’t matter what he did before, you don’t get to kill him for it like some kind of subway vigilante. If it isn’t self defense because you or someone else’s life is in danger then it’s manslaughter / murder.

If someone breaks into your house and you kill them right there it’s self defense. A reasonable person would think their life was in danger. If they break in, then run away when they figure out you are there, and you chase them outside and shoot them in the street that is murder / manslaughter. There is no “he deserved it” affirmative defense.

Do you know that 100%?

Second bold part: In Texas it isnt...

(05-12-2023 02:55 PM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  

(05-12-2023 02:46 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(05-12-2023 12:59 PM)Eagleyed Wrote:  

(05-11-2023 03:41 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  You guys are consistent in your stance of "It's ok to murder whatever type of human I don't personally like", I'll give you that.

The left is pretty consistent in defending people who try to kidnap little girls, and punch old ladies. 2 of the many things this man has done.

The guy who choked him to death had no idea of any of that. None is relevant in court or in the decision to charge him.

It doesn’t matter what he did before, you don’t get to kill him for it like some kind of subway vigilante. If it isn’t self defense because you or someone else’s life is in danger then it’s manslaughter / murder.

If someone breaks into your house and you kill them right there it’s self defense. A reasonable person would think their life was in danger. If they break in, then run away when they figure out you are there, and you chase them outside and shoot them in the street that is murder / manslaughter. There is no “he deserved it” affirmative defense.

Do you know that 100%?

Like the Trump rape trial he only has to be 50% right.

(05-12-2023 02:55 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(05-12-2023 02:51 PM)oruvoice Wrote:  

(05-12-2023 02:46 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(05-12-2023 12:59 PM)Eagleyed Wrote:  

(05-11-2023 03:41 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  You guys are consistent in your stance of "It's ok to murder whatever type of human I don't personally like", I'll give you that.

The left is pretty consistent in defending people who try to kidnap little girls, and punch old ladies. 2 of the many things this man has done.

The guy who choked him to death had no idea of any of that. None is relevant in court or in the decision to charge him.

It doesn’t matter what he did before, you don’t get to kill him for it like some kind of subway vigilante. If it isn’t self defense because you or someone else’s life is in danger then it’s manslaughter / murder.

If someone breaks into your house and you kill them right there it’s self defense. A reasonable person would think their life was in danger. If they break in, then run away when they figure out you are there, and you chase them outside and shoot them in the street that is murder / manslaughter. There is no “he deserved it” affirmative defense.

If this were a Black man that put a White man in a choke hold, you'd say absolutely nothing.

Faux outrage. Spare us.

Did trump endorse some Tarot card brand and I missed it? You certainly seem to think you can read minds.

Flip the race and Id say the same think. Manslaughter / Murder is Manslaughter / Murder.

Show me ONE thread where the killer was a lefty/minority and the victim was righty/caucasian that you've been so vociferous about.

I'll wait.

(05-12-2023 02:46 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(05-12-2023 12:59 PM)Eagleyed Wrote:  

(05-11-2023 03:41 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  You guys are consistent in your stance of "It's ok to murder whatever type of human I don't personally like", I'll give you that.

The left is pretty consistent in defending people who try to kidnap little girls, and punch old ladies. 2 of the many things this man has done.

The guy who choked him to death had no idea of any of that. None is relevant in court or in the decision to charge him.

It doesn’t matter what he did before, you don’t get to kill him for it like some kind of subway vigilante. If it isn’t self defense because you or someone else’s life is in danger then it’s manslaughter / murder.

If someone breaks into your house and you kill them right there it’s self defense. A reasonable person would think their life was in danger. If they break in, then run away when they figure out you are there, and you chase them outside and shoot them in the street that is murder / manslaughter. There is no “he deserved it” affirmative defense.

Ah but here's the thing, this is what the left doesn't understand. If someone is acting like that on the Subway its because they are a criminal. An easy indication is the lack of care for others. It's why the left will forever be defending low life scum who after inspection turn out to be criminals. Just as all the other low life scum the leftists promote to sainthood turn out to be criminals.

It's why leftists cities have such high murder rates. They tell these criminals they can get away with by letting them off again and again then they kill someone. It's wonder the murder rate inside these leftist cities is so high.'

You will forever be defending the Neely's of this world who will forever be turning out to be criminals. We will forever not be surprised because we know people who act like that are always criminals who at any minute will go off and kill someone.

(05-12-2023 02:55 PM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  

(05-12-2023 02:46 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(05-12-2023 12:59 PM)Eagleyed Wrote:  

(05-11-2023 03:41 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  You guys are consistent in your stance of "It's ok to murder whatever type of human I don't personally like", I'll give you that.

The left is pretty consistent in defending people who try to kidnap little girls, and punch old ladies. 2 of the many things this man has done.

The guy who choked him to death had no idea of any of that. None is relevant in court or in the decision to charge him.

It doesn’t matter what he did before, you don’t get to kill him for it like some kind of subway vigilante. If it isn’t self defense because you or someone else’s life is in danger then it’s manslaughter / murder.

If someone breaks into your house and you kill them right there it’s self defense. A reasonable person would think their life was in danger. If they break in, then run away when they figure out you are there, and you chase them outside and shoot them in the street that is murder / manslaughter. There is no “he deserved it” affirmative defense.

Do you know that 100%?

Second bold part: In Texas it isnt...

Texas has a lot more free reign than any other state. You can shoot someone for stealing your lawnmower out of your garage in Texas. Not so anywhere else.

I hate that he was put in the position where he ultimately took this man's life, but the State of New York had FORTY attempts to do what was necessary and get the guy off the streets and they dropped the ball. I hope the marine's defense team points this out to the jury and they find him not guilty. (And there should be a provision at every level that allows for a not guilty verdict by reason of the government's negligence, but I know it's not going to happen.)

Basically, I'm gonna let the process play out. The truth will come to light and he will go free due to it being in the defense of others. I have faith it will.

(05-12-2023 02:55 PM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  

(05-12-2023 02:46 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(05-12-2023 12:59 PM)Eagleyed Wrote:  

(05-11-2023 03:41 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  You guys are consistent in your stance of "It's ok to murder whatever type of human I don't personally like", I'll give you that.

The left is pretty consistent in defending people who try to kidnap little girls, and punch old ladies. 2 of the many things this man has done.

The guy who choked him to death had no idea of any of that. None is relevant in court or in the decision to charge him.

It doesn’t matter what he did before, you don’t get to kill him for it like some kind of subway vigilante. If it isn’t self defense because you or someone else’s life is in danger then it’s manslaughter / murder.

If someone breaks into your house and you kill them right there it’s self defense. A reasonable person would think their life was in danger. If they break in, then run away when they figure out you are there, and you chase them outside and shoot them in the street that is murder / manslaughter. There is no “he deserved it” affirmative defense.

Do you know that 100%?

Second bold part: In Texas it isnt...

Do you know he didn’t?

What’s more likely, that he knew the name and criminal history of a man on the subway or that he had no idea?

(05-12-2023 03:09 PM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  

(05-12-2023 02:55 PM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  

(05-12-2023 02:46 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(05-12-2023 12:59 PM)Eagleyed Wrote:  

(05-11-2023 03:41 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  You guys are consistent in your stance of "It's ok to murder whatever type of human I don't personally like", I'll give you that.

The left is pretty consistent in defending people who try to kidnap little girls, and punch old ladies. 2 of the many things this man has done.

The guy who choked him to death had no idea of any of that. None is relevant in court or in the decision to charge him.

It doesn’t matter what he did before, you don’t get to kill him for it like some kind of subway vigilante. If it isn’t self defense because you or someone else’s life is in danger then it’s manslaughter / murder.

If someone breaks into your house and you kill them right there it’s self defense. A reasonable person would think their life was in danger. If they break in, then run away when they figure out you are there, and you chase them outside and shoot them in the street that is murder / manslaughter. There is no “he deserved it” affirmative defense.

Do you know that 100%?

Second bold part: In Texas it isnt...

Texas has a lot more free reign than any other state. You can shoot someone for stealing your lawnmower out of your garage in Texas. Not so anywhere else.

Probably old cattle rustling laws that are still on the books.

Their castle doctrine / stand your ground is pretty normal. It’s this part that is way different :

“Texas Penal Code Section 9.421 states a person can use deadly force to protect tangible, movable property from another’s imminent commission of theft during the nighttime or to prevent another who is fleeing immediately after committing theft during the nighttime and is escaping with property if the person reasonably believes the land or property cannot be protected or recovered by any other means“

So in the scenario I put where in 49 states if someone breaks into your house and you chase them down and shoot them while they are running away you go to jail. In Texas if they actually have your property, or you have the reasonable suspicion they have your property, you would get off.

(05-12-2023 03:13 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(05-12-2023 02:55 PM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  

(05-12-2023 02:46 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(05-12-2023 12:59 PM)Eagleyed Wrote:  

(05-11-2023 03:41 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  You guys are consistent in your stance of "It's ok to murder whatever type of human I don't personally like", I'll give you that.

The left is pretty consistent in defending people who try to kidnap little girls, and punch old ladies. 2 of the many things this man has done.

The guy who choked him to death had no idea of any of that. None is relevant in court or in the decision to charge him.

It doesn’t matter what he did before, you don’t get to kill him for it like some kind of subway vigilante. If it isn’t self defense because you or someone else’s life is in danger then it’s manslaughter / murder.

If someone breaks into your house and you kill them right there it’s self defense. A reasonable person would think their life was in danger. If they break in, then run away when they figure out you are there, and you chase them outside and shoot them in the street that is murder / manslaughter. There is no “he deserved it” affirmative defense.

Do you know that 100%?

Second bold part: In Texas it isnt...

Do you know he didn’t?

What’s more likely, that he knew the name and criminal history of a man on the subway or that he had no idea?

42 arrests... more than likely he knew who he was and his past.

(05-12-2023 03:07 PM)Eagleyed Wrote:  

(05-12-2023 02:46 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(05-12-2023 12:59 PM)Eagleyed Wrote:  

(05-11-2023 03:41 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  You guys are consistent in your stance of "It's ok to murder whatever type of human I don't personally like", I'll give you that.

The left is pretty consistent in defending people who try to kidnap little girls, and punch old ladies. 2 of the many things this man has done.

The guy who choked him to death had no idea of any of that. None is relevant in court or in the decision to charge him.

It doesn’t matter what he did before, you don’t get to kill him for it like some kind of subway vigilante. If it isn’t self defense because you or someone else’s life is in danger then it’s manslaughter / murder.

If someone breaks into your house and you kill them right there it’s self defense. A reasonable person would think their life was in danger. If they break in, then run away when they figure out you are there, and you chase them outside and shoot them in the street that is murder / manslaughter. There is no “he deserved it” affirmative defense.

Ah but here's the thing, this is what the left doesn't understand. If someone is acting like that on the Subway its because they are a criminal. An easy indication is the lack of care for others. It's why the left will forever be defending low life scum who after inspection turn out to be criminals. Just as all the other low life scum the leftists promote to sainthood turn out to be criminals.

It's why leftists cities have such high murder rates. They tell these criminals they can get away with by letting them off again and again then they kill someone. It's wonder the murder rate inside these leftist cities is so high.'

You will forever be defending the Neely's of this world who will forever be turning out to be criminals. We will forever not be surprised because we know people who act like that are always criminals who at any minute will go off and kill someone.

The murder rate is NYC is 5.2 per 100k, and SFO is 6.9 per 100k. Dallas is 16, Houston is 19.

Crime in NYC and SFO makes news, but happens at a much lower rate than other cities.

Hell, Salt Lake City is 7.5 per 100k so higher than NYC or SFO and still considered very low.

To your other point saying you can’t kill people on the subway for yelling is in no way defending their previous actions. You don’t get to decide someone deserved to die because after the fact it turned out they had a criminal record. The inability of people here to separate that is frightening.

(05-12-2023 03:32 PM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  

(05-12-2023 03:13 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(05-12-2023 02:55 PM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  

(05-12-2023 02:46 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(05-12-2023 12:59 PM)Eagleyed Wrote:  The left is pretty consistent in defending people who try to kidnap little girls, and punch old ladies. 2 of the many things this man has done.

The guy who choked him to death had no idea of any of that. None is relevant in court or in the decision to charge him.

It doesn’t matter what he did before, you don’t get to kill him for it like some kind of subway vigilante. If it isn’t self defense because you or someone else’s life is in danger then it’s manslaughter / murder.

If someone breaks into your house and you kill them right there it’s self defense. A reasonable person would think their life was in danger. If they break in, then run away when they figure out you are there, and you chase them outside and shoot them in the street that is murder / manslaughter. There is no “he deserved it” affirmative defense.

Do you know that 100%?

Second bold part: In Texas it isnt...

Do you know he didn’t?

What’s more likely, that he knew the name and criminal history of a man on the subway or that he had no idea?

42 arrests... more than likely he knew who he was and his past.

Yes I’m sure it’s likely that in a city of, checks notes, 8.46 million million people, that he knew the name and criminal record of a random guy on the train. No, that’s crazy.

I knew the faces of the people from my stop, but had no idea of the names and criminal records.

(05-12-2023 03:34 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(05-12-2023 03:07 PM)Eagleyed Wrote:  

(05-12-2023 02:46 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(05-12-2023 12:59 PM)Eagleyed Wrote:  

(05-11-2023 03:41 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  You guys are consistent in your stance of "It's ok to murder whatever type of human I don't personally like", I'll give you that.

The left is pretty consistent in defending people who try to kidnap little girls, and punch old ladies. 2 of the many things this man has done.

The guy who choked him to death had no idea of any of that. None is relevant in court or in the decision to charge him.

It doesn’t matter what he did before, you don’t get to kill him for it like some kind of subway vigilante. If it isn’t self defense because you or someone else’s life is in danger then it’s manslaughter / murder.

If someone breaks into your house and you kill them right there it’s self defense. A reasonable person would think their life was in danger. If they break in, then run away when they figure out you are there, and you chase them outside and shoot them in the street that is murder / manslaughter. There is no “he deserved it” affirmative defense.

Ah but here's the thing, this is what the left doesn't understand. If someone is acting like that on the Subway its because they are a criminal. An easy indication is the lack of care for others. It's why the left will forever be defending low life scum who after inspection turn out to be criminals. Just as all the other low life scum the leftists promote to sainthood turn out to be criminals.

It's why leftists cities have such high murder rates. They tell these criminals they can get away with by letting them off again and again then they kill someone. It's wonder the murder rate inside these leftist cities is so high.'

You will forever be defending the Neely's of this world who will forever be turning out to be criminals. We will forever not be surprised because we know people who act like that are always criminals who at any minute will go off and kill someone.

The murder rate is NYC is 5.2 per 100k, and SFO is 6.9 per 100k. Dallas is 16, Houston is 19.

Crime in NYC and SFO makes news, but happens at a much lower rate than other cities.

Hell, Salt Lake City is 7.5 per 100k so higher than NYC or SFO and still considered very low.

To your other point saying you can’t kill people on the subway for yelling is in no way defending their previous actions. You don’t get to decide someone deserved to die because after the fact it turned out they had a criminal record. The inability of people here to separate that is frightening.

Salt Lake city's Mayor is a lefty who thinks criminals will be reformed if they are let of the 40th time they will be good this time. So not sure what your point is. All the cities high crime rates, because they are all lefty run. The few cities that don't like Jacksonville have weird city/county rule where the mayor doesn't really have authority over how policing/prosecution is done in the city.

As for point number 2. I know he is a criminal because of his actions on the Subway. Only long time criminals act like that.

I also have previously in this thread said he shouldn't have died. But, you are going to throw someone with a non criminal record in prison in favor of a criminal. There is no telling when this guy could have suddenly produced a knife from somewhere and killed someone. Cause when you act like that, it's a lethal situation.

In the end this never should have happened because he should have been in a mental institution or jail. But, lefty policies made it where he was back on the streets after 40 arrests.