(03-28-2023 04:00 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  

(03-28-2023 03:56 PM)tigergreen Wrote:  

(03-28-2023 03:48 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  

(03-28-2023 03:27 PM)tigergreen Wrote:  

(03-28-2023 03:15 PM)gdunn Wrote:  Which means I'll choose how I secure it.. Not some idjit in DC or a message board.

Apparently some "responsible" gun owners think throwing it in the glove box & locking their car door is enough security, which is flat out incorrect.

If we care one bit about stopping the ridiculous number of gun crimes and mass shootings, we're simply going to have to do more than what is currently being done.
Gun safes & the like are just a tiny piece of the puzzle.

I don't lock guns in car safes for safety. I periodically lock them in car safes in trunk to keep sh!theads from stealing my stuff when I go someplace that I am unable to carry.

I have safes at home that I use but primarily just for convenient storage. I also have firearms that are not in them right now as I type this. One bird gun I need to clean when I get around to it. One Ruger 10-22 for skunks that pop up this time of year. And two handguns in kydex that are on nightstands when not in a waistband. One is mine. One is my wife's.

No kids in house. Just wife and I. You really think legislation for keeping firearms locked up should apply to everyone? Safes make sense in many situations and definitely if there are kids in the home but legislating locking up firearms is going to turn a lot of law abiding citizens into potential criminals overnight.

I think it should for people who are choosing to take guns with them and leave them in cars, 100%. Again, this is a tiny measure I think could help against gun crimes in addition to many other ideas.

My personal feelings on guns in the home are just that - I agree with you if kids are in the house, you need a safe. I wouldn't go as far as to say it needs to be a legislated requirement in the house, though.

How many gun crimes are committed by guns stolen from cars? I really don't know the number.

I know a lot of gun owners and I don't know one that has ever lost a gun to a car break in. Not saying it doesn't happen just seems odd to focus on that.

I do know of one LEO that had a shotgun and tactical bag stolen out of the trunk of his marked car in his driveway.

in 2010 24% of reported stolen guns were stolen from cars.

in 2020 it was over 50% were stolen from cars.

Now burglary was harder in 2020 with everyone at home all the time, but I don't think 2020 was an outlier and the trend was steadily going up

(03-28-2023 04:23 PM)tigergreen Wrote:  

(03-28-2023 04:02 PM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  These people doing these mass shootings are not doing them with guns stolen out of cars. They're buying them legally.

The stolen guns create a massive problem with gun crimes in this country.

In regards to mass shootings, you are correct that many times they are purchased legally, although there have been a LOT that stole guns from their parents or whomever. Posters on here have clung to one small suggestion out of a large list and that's how this has gotten derailed.

Stolen guns are mostly used to kill in the inner cities. That's where most guns are stolen. Duh.

Price of living in the ghetto. Sniff sniff.

(03-28-2023 04:29 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(03-28-2023 04:00 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  

(03-28-2023 03:56 PM)tigergreen Wrote:  

(03-28-2023 03:48 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  

(03-28-2023 03:27 PM)tigergreen Wrote:  Apparently some "responsible" gun owners think throwing it in the glove box & locking their car door is enough security, which is flat out incorrect.

If we care one bit about stopping the ridiculous number of gun crimes and mass shootings, we're simply going to have to do more than what is currently being done.
Gun safes & the like are just a tiny piece of the puzzle.

I don't lock guns in car safes for safety. I periodically lock them in car safes in trunk to keep sh!theads from stealing my stuff when I go someplace that I am unable to carry.

I have safes at home that I use but primarily just for convenient storage. I also have firearms that are not in them right now as I type this. One bird gun I need to clean when I get around to it. One Ruger 10-22 for skunks that pop up this time of year. And two handguns in kydex that are on nightstands when not in a waistband. One is mine. One is my wife's.

No kids in house. Just wife and I. You really think legislation for keeping firearms locked up should apply to everyone? Safes make sense in many situations and definitely if there are kids in the home but legislating locking up firearms is going to turn a lot of law abiding citizens into potential criminals overnight.

I think it should for people who are choosing to take guns with them and leave them in cars, 100%. Again, this is a tiny measure I think could help against gun crimes in addition to many other ideas.

My personal feelings on guns in the home are just that - I agree with you if kids are in the house, you need a safe. I wouldn't go as far as to say it needs to be a legislated requirement in the house, though.

How many gun crimes are committed by guns stolen from cars? I really don't know the number.

I know a lot of gun owners and I don't know one that has ever lost a gun to a car break in. Not saying it doesn't happen just seems odd to focus on that.

I do know of one LEO that had a shotgun and tactical bag stolen out of the trunk of his marked car in his driveway.

in 2010 24% of reported stolen guns were stolen from cars.

in 2020 it was over 50% were stolen from cars.

Now burglary was harder in 2020 with everyone at home all the time, but I don't think 2020 was an outlier and the trend was steadily going up

This is the stat told to me by a police officer as well. Just think of the other crimes that could be prevented without that large of a percentage of stolen guns on the streets.

@rath, years ago we also had a cop living next door to us who left his gun in his personal truck and got it stolen.

(03-28-2023 03:47 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(03-28-2023 03:33 PM)oruvoice Wrote:  

(03-28-2023 03:29 PM)tigergreen Wrote:  

(03-28-2023 03:15 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(03-28-2023 12:33 PM)JRsec Wrote:  The funny thing about guns is you hope to never use them if you are sane, but when you need one the necessity is immediate. So, the law negates the reason for ownership. And unfortunately only the honest, responsible, law abiding citizens are impinged by its observance. The criminal will have a weapon, it will not have a trigger lock, it will not be boxed, the magazine will not be stored separately, and it will be pointed at you.

No gun in a safe will protect you during a home invasion, nor is it safe from the criminals who will have a gun at your head, or your child's, or your spouse's forcing you to use the combination to open the safe so that both valuables and firearms may be stolen.

Common sense says if you can't have a gun immediately available for defense, then you have no need to own one. And this is where the disingenuous nature of the left rears its ugly head and is exposed. They want all people to be subservient to the only people who have arms, law enforcement and criminals. That makes everyone compliant with their tyranny and BS.

If you are talking about a standard combination safe?...I tend to agree.

I have 2 biometric safes in my home. One in the bedroom and one in the living area. I bought both on Amazon for 99 bucks a piece. Both myself and wife can access multiple firearms in less than a second of putting a finger on lighted button. I highly recommend these things. Very cheap investment for both safety and security.
I can't really think of a situation that could occur in which I would not have time enough to protect myself using them given I have a home security system also. It's possible...but highly unlikely. This is not meant to be argumentative. Just pointing out there really are options now to consider.

Watch it - oruvoice says those cost thousands of dollars, making it completely inequitable to acquire.

Once again, you show your lack of knowledge on the subject. If you want a little metal box that will hold one (maybe two) small pistols, then maybe $100. And you do realize that metal box is easier to steal than a laptop.

An actual, viable gun safe that holds more than one or two small pistols, that is securely mounted in your home, is upwards of $1,000. And, we haven't even discussed the cost of the mounted car safes. But by all means...keep on going. I'm enjoying watching your misguided self-assurance on a topic you know little/nothing about!

I mean if you want to get technical you seem to have a big gap in knowledge on the subject. What you are describing for $1000 isn't a safe. Gun safes aren't safes, they are residential security containers.

Actual UL listed TL-15 safes weigh about 3x what "Gun Safe" residential security containers weight and are rated for resistance to tools that is sized for 24 - 30 guns weighs about 2k pounds.

Residential storage laws in other countries are about limiting access to unauthorized access by people in the home who shouldn't have access and quick smash and grab burglars. Someone who is determined and has the time alone can defeat any RSC or even TL rated safe, the key thing is slowing the quick smash and grab robber down so they move on because they know the longer they stay the more likely they are to get caught.

$100 quick access pistol boxes and relatively inexpensive RSC's that aren't fire rated are effective in that goal.

Ah. I see. So, all the posts that you were saying "responsible" gun ownership and "safes", you actually just meant a little lock box. I'll just disregard all your posts touting "safes".

You do realize that smart people see right thru you, right?

(03-28-2023 04:34 PM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  

(03-28-2023 04:23 PM)tigergreen Wrote:  

(03-28-2023 04:02 PM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  These people doing these mass shootings are not doing them with guns stolen out of cars. They're buying them legally.

The stolen guns create a massive problem with gun crimes in this country.

In regards to mass shootings, you are correct that many times they are purchased legally, although there have been a LOT that stole guns from their parents or whomever. Posters on here have clung to one small suggestion out of a large list and that's how this has gotten derailed.

Stolen guns are mostly used to kill in the inner cities. That's where most guns are stolen. Duh.

Price of living in the ghetto. Sniff sniff.

Because getting out of the ghetto is so easy right? Your privilege is showing.

It is also important to note that gun theft is believed to be significantly underreported. Only 11 states and D.C. require gun owners to report a stolen weapon. Wonder why that is?

Have the government hand out free car gun safes and home locks like Obama phones.

If they weee smart they could gather up info like a registry when knuckleheads sign up for one.

(03-28-2023 04:44 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  Have the government hand out free car gun safes and home locks like Obama phones.

If they weee smart they could gather up info like a registry when knuckleheads sign up for one.

Sure, right after student loan forgiveness because it only affects some of the population like gun ownership or universal health care which would help all of the population

I never got my free Obama phone plan. Wonder when that arrives?

(03-28-2023 04:44 PM)Mr_XcentricK Wrote:  

(03-28-2023 04:34 PM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  

(03-28-2023 04:23 PM)tigergreen Wrote:  

(03-28-2023 04:02 PM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  These people doing these mass shootings are not doing them with guns stolen out of cars. They're buying them legally.

The stolen guns create a massive problem with gun crimes in this country.

In regards to mass shootings, you are correct that many times they are purchased legally, although there have been a LOT that stole guns from their parents or whomever. Posters on here have clung to one small suggestion out of a large list and that's how this has gotten derailed.

Stolen guns are mostly used to kill in the inner cities. That's where most guns are stolen. Duh.

Price of living in the ghetto. Sniff sniff.

Because getting out of the ghetto is so easy right? Your privilege is showing.

It is also important to note that gun theft is believed to be significantly underreported. Only 11 states and D.C. require gun owners to report a stolen weapon. Wonder why that is?

Privilege? Loololololol

The lib mantra. There are so many predictable lib horse$hit talking points who can keep up….

(03-28-2023 04:54 PM)450bench Wrote:  

(03-28-2023 04:44 PM)Mr_XcentricK Wrote:  

(03-28-2023 04:34 PM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  

(03-28-2023 04:23 PM)tigergreen Wrote:  

(03-28-2023 04:02 PM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  These people doing these mass shootings are not doing them with guns stolen out of cars. They're buying them legally.

The stolen guns create a massive problem with gun crimes in this country.

In regards to mass shootings, you are correct that many times they are purchased legally, although there have been a LOT that stole guns from their parents or whomever. Posters on here have clung to one small suggestion out of a large list and that's how this has gotten derailed.

Stolen guns are mostly used to kill in the inner cities. That's where most guns are stolen. Duh.

Price of living in the ghetto. Sniff sniff.

Because getting out of the ghetto is so easy right? Your privilege is showing.

It is also important to note that gun theft is believed to be significantly underreported. Only 11 states and D.C. require gun owners to report a stolen weapon. Wonder why that is?

Privilege? Loololololol

The lib mantra. There are so many predictable lib horse$hit talking points who can keep up….

Then please give us your 100% tired and true method for doing so?

(03-28-2023 02:47 PM)tigergreen Wrote:  

(03-28-2023 12:52 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(03-28-2023 12:23 PM)tigergreen Wrote:  

(03-28-2023 12:04 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(03-28-2023 09:41 AM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  I haven't proposed anything that infringes on the second amendment. Nothing about a gun storage law infringes on your right to buy or own a gun.

The second amendment is perhaps the most clearly and concisely written. When you understand the common use and meaning of words when it was written it is 100% crystal clear. The govt has no say in ownership of firearms by private citizens. Over the last 200 years that notion has been discarded on countless occasions, each more restrictive then before.

My opinion aside, the Supreme Court ruled that DC's requirements for weapons to be disassembled or bound with a trigger lock to be a violation of the second amendment. As usual, you are 100% incorrect that "nothing about gun storage law infringes on your right to buy or own a gun."

A lot of people on here seem to have a hard time understanding the difference between inconvenience and infringement.

Requiring gun owners to do a little more to protect guns they are choosing to own is not infringement on their right to own it.

Tell that to the Supreme Court. The "inconvenience" of a trigger lock, some other storage lock, or disassembly renders the firearm useless and does in fact infringe upon the second amendment.

I'm not saying taking reasonable precautions is a bad idea. My firearms are either out of reach of littles or concealed where only I can reach them.

You cannot infringe upon a law-abiding citizen's second amendment right for any reason, least of which should be the criminal acts of others.

None of these ideas are infringing on a law-abiding citizen's right to own a gun.

The right to keep (own) and bear (carry, and I would suggest this means use) arms is infringed if I can't carry my weapon.

Is a disassembled weapon still a weapon? During its time of disassembly the device is robbed of those properties which make it a weapon.

We need a stolen gun thread


Once again the filth miss the point.

A lunatic murdered kids and all they can think about are ways to limit gun owners freedoms.

We need to secure rhe damn schools and put lunatics in asylums. If yoy cut your pecker off you are a lunatic. If you think pumping up with T shots and having a doctor see some grotesque appendage on you ****** makes you are a damn lunatic .

It.is.not about.guns

Dammit to hell

Enough bullshite

Same filth same nonsense

(03-28-2023 03:27 PM)tigergreen Wrote:  

(03-28-2023 03:15 PM)gdunn Wrote:  

(03-28-2023 03:13 PM)tigergreen Wrote:  

(03-28-2023 03:01 PM)oruvoice Wrote:  It's kinda funny to hear these loons talk about "responsible gun ownership". All you need to do is invest in trigger locks, gun safes, and automobile safes that are mounted in your car. The same folks that talk about "equity" for the disenfranchised tell you that you need to spend hundreds if not thousands of dollars to "properly" own a gun.

No one is forcing you to own a gun - you're choosing to. That is your right.

If you choose to do that, you need to be able to handle it responsibly when you're taking it out in public (and at home).

Thousands of dollars is laughable - you can get reputable safes for under $100.00 all day long. If you're spending that much on gun stuff, maybe you're just blowing your money....which again, is your right.

Which means I'll choose how I secure it.. Not some idjit in DC or a message board.

Apparently some "responsible" gun owners think throwing it in the glove box & locking their car door is enough security, which is flat out incorrect.

If we care one bit about stopping the ridiculous number of gun crimes and mass shootings, we're simply going to have to do more than what is currently being done.
Gun safes & the like are just a tiny piece of the puzzle.

My gun wouldn't be left in my car for someone to steal (a crime by the way) if I was able to carry my gun into the bank, post office, government building, etc.

And me carrying in any place which restricts carry would not result in increased crime. I'm an honest citizen who does not commit crimes with my weapon. You haven't seen me on the news for using my gun while I was in a grocery store, restaurant, department store, etc, and you wouldn't see me on the news for using my gun in a post office, bank, etc.

It's called being an honest, law-abiding citizen. We're not the ones you have to worry about. In fact, you should be thankful we're out there.

Remember the lady who was almost kidnapped recently in Germantown? Remember the guy with a gun who came to her aid?

When I see a woman walking thru a parking lot, I'm keeping an eye out for her safety. Nothing's going to happen to her while I'm there.

Who knows, you may have had somebody similarly watching your back and never even knew it.

(03-28-2023 04:39 PM)tigergreen Wrote:  

(03-28-2023 04:29 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(03-28-2023 04:00 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  

(03-28-2023 03:56 PM)tigergreen Wrote:  

(03-28-2023 03:48 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  I don't lock guns in car safes for safety. I periodically lock them in car safes in trunk to keep sh!theads from stealing my stuff when I go someplace that I am unable to carry.

I have safes at home that I use but primarily just for convenient storage. I also have firearms that are not in them right now as I type this. One bird gun I need to clean when I get around to it. One Ruger 10-22 for skunks that pop up this time of year. And two handguns in kydex that are on nightstands when not in a waistband. One is mine. One is my wife's.

No kids in house. Just wife and I. You really think legislation for keeping firearms locked up should apply to everyone? Safes make sense in many situations and definitely if there are kids in the home but legislating locking up firearms is going to turn a lot of law abiding citizens into potential criminals overnight.

I think it should for people who are choosing to take guns with them and leave them in cars, 100%. Again, this is a tiny measure I think could help against gun crimes in addition to many other ideas.

My personal feelings on guns in the home are just that - I agree with you if kids are in the house, you need a safe. I wouldn't go as far as to say it needs to be a legislated requirement in the house, though.

How many gun crimes are committed by guns stolen from cars? I really don't know the number.

I know a lot of gun owners and I don't know one that has ever lost a gun to a car break in. Not saying it doesn't happen just seems odd to focus on that.

I do know of one LEO that had a shotgun and tactical bag stolen out of the trunk of his marked car in his driveway.

in 2010 24% of reported stolen guns were stolen from cars.

in 2020 it was over 50% were stolen from cars.

Now burglary was harder in 2020 with everyone at home all the time, but I don't think 2020 was an outlier and the trend was steadily going up

This is the stat told to me by a police officer as well. Just think of the other crimes that could be prevented without that large of a percentage of stolen guns on the streets.

@rath, years ago we also had a cop living next door to us who left his gun in his personal truck and got it stolen.

Honestly, now that I think about it, I bet the majority of guns stolen from cars probably belonged to a convicted felon who isn't supposed to have a gun in the first place.

Sure, there are instances where somebody accidently left their gun in the car overnight and it just so happens that somebody breaks into their car that very night. What are the odds of that happening? I know it does happen but I would bet that's the minority of vehicle-related gun thefts.

Chances are, the idiots getting guns stolen out of cars are criminals themselves.

(03-28-2023 05:28 PM)CrimsonPhantom Wrote:  

And that sums up the hive mind responses in this thread

(03-28-2023 05:08 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  

(03-28-2023 02:47 PM)tigergreen Wrote:  

(03-28-2023 12:52 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(03-28-2023 12:23 PM)tigergreen Wrote:  

(03-28-2023 12:04 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  The second amendment is perhaps the most clearly and concisely written. When you understand the common use and meaning of words when it was written it is 100% crystal clear. The govt has no say in ownership of firearms by private citizens. Over the last 200 years that notion has been discarded on countless occasions, each more restrictive then before.

My opinion aside, the Supreme Court ruled that DC's requirements for weapons to be disassembled or bound with a trigger lock to be a violation of the second amendment. As usual, you are 100% incorrect that "nothing about gun storage law infringes on your right to buy or own a gun."

A lot of people on here seem to have a hard time understanding the difference between inconvenience and infringement.

Requiring gun owners to do a little more to protect guns they are choosing to own is not infringement on their right to own it.

Tell that to the Supreme Court. The "inconvenience" of a trigger lock, some other storage lock, or disassembly renders the firearm useless and does in fact infringe upon the second amendment.

I'm not saying taking reasonable precautions is a bad idea. My firearms are either out of reach of littles or concealed where only I can reach them.

You cannot infringe upon a law-abiding citizen's second amendment right for any reason, least of which should be the criminal acts of others.

None of these ideas are infringing on a law-abiding citizen's right to own a gun.

The right to keep (own) and bear (carry, and I would suggest this means use) arms is infringed if I can't carry my weapon.

Is a disassembled weapon still a weapon? During its time of disassembly the device is robbed of those properties which make it a weapon.

Never said don’t carry it,

We said if you aren’t carrying it lock it up, vs I think someone earlier said it was their right to leave a gun on the back seat of their car if they wanted.

(03-28-2023 02:56 PM)hburg Wrote:  Seems like the Trans domestic terror group has declared war...Who knows if the Biden admin will supply them with weapons to use like what is done overseas (okay being a little seditious here, but given the outright disdain they have for America, you never know).

'Trans Rights...Or Else' T-shirt removed from Amazon store

(03-28-2023 05:32 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  

(03-28-2023 04:39 PM)tigergreen Wrote:  

(03-28-2023 04:29 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(03-28-2023 04:00 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  

(03-28-2023 03:56 PM)tigergreen Wrote:  I think it should for people who are choosing to take guns with them and leave them in cars, 100%. Again, this is a tiny measure I think could help against gun crimes in addition to many other ideas.

My personal feelings on guns in the home are just that - I agree with you if kids are in the house, you need a safe. I wouldn't go as far as to say it needs to be a legislated requirement in the house, though.

How many gun crimes are committed by guns stolen from cars? I really don't know the number.

I know a lot of gun owners and I don't know one that has ever lost a gun to a car break in. Not saying it doesn't happen just seems odd to focus on that.

I do know of one LEO that had a shotgun and tactical bag stolen out of the trunk of his marked car in his driveway.

in 2010 24% of reported stolen guns were stolen from cars.

in 2020 it was over 50% were stolen from cars.

Now burglary was harder in 2020 with everyone at home all the time, but I don't think 2020 was an outlier and the trend was steadily going up

This is the stat told to me by a police officer as well. Just think of the other crimes that could be prevented without that large of a percentage of stolen guns on the streets.

@rath, years ago we also had a cop living next door to us who left his gun in his personal truck and got it stolen.

Honestly, now that I think about it, I bet the majority of guns stolen from cars probably belonged to a convicted felon who isn't supposed to have a gun in the first place.

Sure, there are instances where somebody accidently left their gun in the car overnight and it just so happens that somebody breaks into their car that very night. What are the odds of that happening? I know it does happen but I would bet that's the minority of vehicle-related gun thefts.

Chances are, the idiots getting guns stolen out of cars are criminals themselves.

Three guns for criminals in one parking lot.

https://www.localmemphis.com/article/new...ec249e1d8#

You do realize that if a criminal gets a gun stolen from a car they aren’t reporting it? So with the hundreds of thousands of guns being stolen from cars they are from law abiding citizens because they are reported.