(03-28-2023 03:36 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(03-28-2023 03:18 PM)oruvoice Wrote:  

(03-28-2023 03:13 PM)tigergreen Wrote:  

(03-28-2023 03:01 PM)oruvoice Wrote:  It's kinda funny to hear these loons talk about "responsible gun ownership". All you need to do is invest in trigger locks, gun safes, and automobile safes that are mounted in your car. The same folks that talk about "equity" for the disenfranchised tell you that you need to spend hundreds if not thousands of dollars to "properly" own a gun.

No one is forcing you to own a gun - you're choosing to. That is your right.

If you choose to do that, you need to be able to handle it responsibly when you're taking it out in public (and at home).

Thousands of dollars is laughable - you can get reputable safes for under $100.00 all day long. If you're spending that much on gun stuff, maybe you're just blowing your money....which again, is your right.

You can get reputable gun safes for under $100?

How do you tell me that you know nothing about gun safes without telling me you know nothing about gun safes?!?

And, we haven't even gotten into the mounted car safes that Elvis mentioned.

You can get a steel box and a steel cable to lock it to the seat rail, or you can bolt it down in the trunk, for less than $100.

If you want the custom boxes that integrate into the center console or replace the storage under the back seat of the truck you will spend more money, but you can get a simple lock box and a cable for less than $100.

And, that $100 item will hold my shotgun and rifle safely?

(03-28-2023 03:33 PM)oruvoice Wrote:  

(03-28-2023 03:29 PM)tigergreen Wrote:  

(03-28-2023 03:15 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(03-28-2023 12:33 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(03-28-2023 12:23 PM)tigergreen Wrote:  A lot of people on here seem to have a hard time understanding the difference between inconvenience and infringement.

Requiring gun owners to do a little more to protect guns they are choosing to own is not infringement on their right to own it.

The funny thing about guns is you hope to never use them if you are sane, but when you need one the necessity is immediate. So, the law negates the reason for ownership. And unfortunately only the honest, responsible, law abiding citizens are impinged by its observance. The criminal will have a weapon, it will not have a trigger lock, it will not be boxed, the magazine will not be stored separately, and it will be pointed at you.

No gun in a safe will protect you during a home invasion, nor is it safe from the criminals who will have a gun at your head, or your child's, or your spouse's forcing you to use the combination to open the safe so that both valuables and firearms may be stolen.

Common sense says if you can't have a gun immediately available for defense, then you have no need to own one. And this is where the disingenuous nature of the left rears its ugly head and is exposed. They want all people to be subservient to the only people who have arms, law enforcement and criminals. That makes everyone compliant with their tyranny and BS.

If you are talking about a standard combination safe?...I tend to agree.

I have 2 biometric safes in my home. One in the bedroom and one in the living area. I bought both on Amazon for 99 bucks a piece. Both myself and wife can access multiple firearms in less than a second of putting a finger on lighted button. I highly recommend these things. Very cheap investment for both safety and security.
I can't really think of a situation that could occur in which I would not have time enough to protect myself using them given I have a home security system also. It's possible...but highly unlikely. This is not meant to be argumentative. Just pointing out there really are options now to consider.

Watch it - oruvoice says those cost thousands of dollars, making it completely inequitable to acquire.

Once again, you show your lack of knowledge on the subject. If you want a little metal box that will hold one (maybe two) small pistols, then maybe $100. And you do realize that metal box is easier to steal than a laptop.

An actual, viable gun safe that holds more than one or two small pistols, that is securely mounted in your home, is upwards of $1,000. And, we haven't even discussed the cost of the mounted car safes. But by all means...keep on going. I'm enjoying watching your misguided self-assurance on a topic you know little/nothing about!

Exactly how many guns do you feel you need to take in your car?

This whole discussion about safes was pertaining to cars, since that's where we have a huge issue right now in regards to stolen guns.

(03-28-2023 03:35 PM)gdunn Wrote:  I don't know about y'all, but my glove box locks...

this is more distract from the real problem and blame the gun and gun owner bullshite.

a freaking loon did this crime and im pretty damn sure they did not steal the rifle from a glove box

FFS

(03-28-2023 03:33 PM)oruvoice Wrote:  

(03-28-2023 03:29 PM)tigergreen Wrote:  

(03-28-2023 03:15 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(03-28-2023 12:33 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(03-28-2023 12:23 PM)tigergreen Wrote:  A lot of people on here seem to have a hard time understanding the difference between inconvenience and infringement.

Requiring gun owners to do a little more to protect guns they are choosing to own is not infringement on their right to own it.

The funny thing about guns is you hope to never use them if you are sane, but when you need one the necessity is immediate. So, the law negates the reason for ownership. And unfortunately only the honest, responsible, law abiding citizens are impinged by its observance. The criminal will have a weapon, it will not have a trigger lock, it will not be boxed, the magazine will not be stored separately, and it will be pointed at you.

No gun in a safe will protect you during a home invasion, nor is it safe from the criminals who will have a gun at your head, or your child's, or your spouse's forcing you to use the combination to open the safe so that both valuables and firearms may be stolen.

Common sense says if you can't have a gun immediately available for defense, then you have no need to own one. And this is where the disingenuous nature of the left rears its ugly head and is exposed. They want all people to be subservient to the only people who have arms, law enforcement and criminals. That makes everyone compliant with their tyranny and BS.

If you are talking about a standard combination safe?...I tend to agree.

I have 2 biometric safes in my home. One in the bedroom and one in the living area. I bought both on Amazon for 99 bucks a piece. Both myself and wife can access multiple firearms in less than a second of putting a finger on lighted button. I highly recommend these things. Very cheap investment for both safety and security.
I can't really think of a situation that could occur in which I would not have time enough to protect myself using them given I have a home security system also. It's possible...but highly unlikely. This is not meant to be argumentative. Just pointing out there really are options now to consider.

Watch it - oruvoice says those cost thousands of dollars, making it completely inequitable to acquire.

Once again, you show your lack of knowledge on the subject. If you want a little metal box that will hold one (maybe two) small pistols, then maybe $100. And you do realize that metal box is easier to steal than a laptop.

An actual, viable gun safe that holds more than one or two small pistols, that is securely mounted in your home, is upwards of $1,000. And, we haven't even discussed the cost of the mounted car safes. But by all means...keep on going. I'm enjoying watching your misguided self-assurance on a topic you know little/nothing about!

We are talking storing of a loaded firearm for protection..not firearm storage for lots of weapons. A large gun safe is expensive as you state. I have one of those also for shotguns and rifles. I would not go to the gun safe if my home security alarm sounded. I would use the biometric safe. I can access it in much faster.

(03-28-2023 03:38 PM)tigergreen Wrote:  

(03-28-2023 03:33 PM)oruvoice Wrote:  

(03-28-2023 03:29 PM)tigergreen Wrote:  

(03-28-2023 03:15 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(03-28-2023 12:33 PM)JRsec Wrote:  The funny thing about guns is you hope to never use them if you are sane, but when you need one the necessity is immediate. So, the law negates the reason for ownership. And unfortunately only the honest, responsible, law abiding citizens are impinged by its observance. The criminal will have a weapon, it will not have a trigger lock, it will not be boxed, the magazine will not be stored separately, and it will be pointed at you.

No gun in a safe will protect you during a home invasion, nor is it safe from the criminals who will have a gun at your head, or your child's, or your spouse's forcing you to use the combination to open the safe so that both valuables and firearms may be stolen.

Common sense says if you can't have a gun immediately available for defense, then you have no need to own one. And this is where the disingenuous nature of the left rears its ugly head and is exposed. They want all people to be subservient to the only people who have arms, law enforcement and criminals. That makes everyone compliant with their tyranny and BS.

If you are talking about a standard combination safe?...I tend to agree.

I have 2 biometric safes in my home. One in the bedroom and one in the living area. I bought both on Amazon for 99 bucks a piece. Both myself and wife can access multiple firearms in less than a second of putting a finger on lighted button. I highly recommend these things. Very cheap investment for both safety and security.
I can't really think of a situation that could occur in which I would not have time enough to protect myself using them given I have a home security system also. It's possible...but highly unlikely. This is not meant to be argumentative. Just pointing out there really are options now to consider.

Watch it - oruvoice says those cost thousands of dollars, making it completely inequitable to acquire.

Once again, you show your lack of knowledge on the subject. If you want a little metal box that will hold one (maybe two) small pistols, then maybe $100. And you do realize that metal box is easier to steal than a laptop.

An actual, viable gun safe that holds more than one or two small pistols, that is securely mounted in your home, is upwards of $1,000. And, we haven't even discussed the cost of the mounted car safes. But by all means...keep on going. I'm enjoying watching your misguided self-assurance on a topic you know little/nothing about!

Exactly how many guns do you feel you need to take in your car?

As many as i want.

This whole discussion about safes was pertaining to cars, since that's where we have a huge issue right now.

there is no huge issue where i live. maybe move where people arent damn thugs breaking into cars.

(03-28-2023 03:40 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(03-28-2023 03:33 PM)oruvoice Wrote:  

(03-28-2023 03:29 PM)tigergreen Wrote:  

(03-28-2023 03:15 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(03-28-2023 12:33 PM)JRsec Wrote:  The funny thing about guns is you hope to never use them if you are sane, but when you need one the necessity is immediate. So, the law negates the reason for ownership. And unfortunately only the honest, responsible, law abiding citizens are impinged by its observance. The criminal will have a weapon, it will not have a trigger lock, it will not be boxed, the magazine will not be stored separately, and it will be pointed at you.

No gun in a safe will protect you during a home invasion, nor is it safe from the criminals who will have a gun at your head, or your child's, or your spouse's forcing you to use the combination to open the safe so that both valuables and firearms may be stolen.

Common sense says if you can't have a gun immediately available for defense, then you have no need to own one. And this is where the disingenuous nature of the left rears its ugly head and is exposed. They want all people to be subservient to the only people who have arms, law enforcement and criminals. That makes everyone compliant with their tyranny and BS.

If you are talking about a standard combination safe?...I tend to agree.

I have 2 biometric safes in my home. One in the bedroom and one in the living area. I bought both on Amazon for 99 bucks a piece. Both myself and wife can access multiple firearms in less than a second of putting a finger on lighted button. I highly recommend these things. Very cheap investment for both safety and security.
I can't really think of a situation that could occur in which I would not have time enough to protect myself using them given I have a home security system also. It's possible...but highly unlikely. This is not meant to be argumentative. Just pointing out there really are options now to consider.

Watch it - oruvoice says those cost thousands of dollars, making it completely inequitable to acquire.

Once again, you show your lack of knowledge on the subject. If you want a little metal box that will hold one (maybe two) small pistols, then maybe $100. And you do realize that metal box is easier to steal than a laptop.

An actual, viable gun safe that holds more than one or two small pistols, that is securely mounted in your home, is upwards of $1,000. And, we haven't even discussed the cost of the mounted car safes. But by all means...keep on going. I'm enjoying watching your misguided self-assurance on a topic you know little/nothing about!

We are talking storing of a loaded firearm for protection..not firearm storage for lots of weapons. A large gun safe is expensive as you state. I have one of those also for shotguns and rifles. I would not go to the gun safe if my home security alarm sounded. I would use the biometric safe. I can access it in much faster.

i got a gun safe with 4 generations of family guns. no one has ever been murdered with any of them

its called a closet.

(03-28-2023 03:38 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(03-28-2023 03:35 PM)gdunn Wrote:  I don't know about y'all, but my glove box locks...

this is more distract from the real problem and blame the gun and gun owner bullshite.

a freaking loon did this crime and im pretty damn sure they did not steal the rifle from a glove box

FFS

Nope.. Appears that they were not mentally stable and the family wasn't paying attention and the perp was buying them without their knowledge.. At some point if a person is mentally unstable you would think that there'd be fail safes in the background checks..

If only the DEMOCRATS would do something when they control all parts of the government...

(03-28-2023 03:40 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(03-28-2023 03:38 PM)tigergreen Wrote:  

(03-28-2023 03:33 PM)oruvoice Wrote:  

(03-28-2023 03:29 PM)tigergreen Wrote:  

(03-28-2023 03:15 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  If you are talking about a standard combination safe?...I tend to agree.

I have 2 biometric safes in my home. One in the bedroom and one in the living area. I bought both on Amazon for 99 bucks a piece. Both myself and wife can access multiple firearms in less than a second of putting a finger on lighted button. I highly recommend these things. Very cheap investment for both safety and security.
I can't really think of a situation that could occur in which I would not have time enough to protect myself using them given I have a home security system also. It's possible...but highly unlikely. This is not meant to be argumentative. Just pointing out there really are options now to consider.

Watch it - oruvoice says those cost thousands of dollars, making it completely inequitable to acquire.

Once again, you show your lack of knowledge on the subject. If you want a little metal box that will hold one (maybe two) small pistols, then maybe $100. And you do realize that metal box is easier to steal than a laptop.

An actual, viable gun safe that holds more than one or two small pistols, that is securely mounted in your home, is upwards of $1,000. And, we haven't even discussed the cost of the mounted car safes. But by all means...keep on going. I'm enjoying watching your misguided self-assurance on a topic you know little/nothing about!

Exactly how many guns do you feel you need to take in your car?

As many as i want.

This whole discussion about safes was pertaining to cars, since that's where we have a huge issue right now.

there is no huge issue where i live. maybe move where people arent damn thugs breaking into cars.

Bingo! No further response required.

(03-28-2023 03:42 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(03-28-2023 03:40 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(03-28-2023 03:33 PM)oruvoice Wrote:  

(03-28-2023 03:29 PM)tigergreen Wrote:  

(03-28-2023 03:15 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  If you are talking about a standard combination safe?...I tend to agree.

I have 2 biometric safes in my home. One in the bedroom and one in the living area. I bought both on Amazon for 99 bucks a piece. Both myself and wife can access multiple firearms in less than a second of putting a finger on lighted button. I highly recommend these things. Very cheap investment for both safety and security.
I can't really think of a situation that could occur in which I would not have time enough to protect myself using them given I have a home security system also. It's possible...but highly unlikely. This is not meant to be argumentative. Just pointing out there really are options now to consider.

Watch it - oruvoice says those cost thousands of dollars, making it completely inequitable to acquire.

Once again, you show your lack of knowledge on the subject. If you want a little metal box that will hold one (maybe two) small pistols, then maybe $100. And you do realize that metal box is easier to steal than a laptop.

An actual, viable gun safe that holds more than one or two small pistols, that is securely mounted in your home, is upwards of $1,000. And, we haven't even discussed the cost of the mounted car safes. But by all means...keep on going. I'm enjoying watching your misguided self-assurance on a topic you know little/nothing about!

We are talking storing of a loaded firearm for protection..not firearm storage for lots of weapons. A large gun safe is expensive as you state. I have one of those also for shotguns and rifles. I would not go to the gun safe if my home security alarm sounded. I would use the biometric safe. I can access it in much faster.

i got a gun safe with 4 generations of family guns. no one has ever been murdered with any of them

its called a closet.

I was the same for a long time. I bought one for more than just firearm storage.

(03-28-2023 03:21 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  Her family said she was under treatment from a doctor for an emotional disorder.

Go figure.

Back on topic, what entails an emotional disorder? Anxiety? Depression? Bipolar disorder or schizophrenia?

Where do you draw the line of where a person shouldn't be able to purchase a gun if they have no prior record?

(03-28-2023 03:33 PM)oruvoice Wrote:  

(03-28-2023 03:29 PM)tigergreen Wrote:  

(03-28-2023 03:15 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(03-28-2023 12:33 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(03-28-2023 12:23 PM)tigergreen Wrote:  A lot of people on here seem to have a hard time understanding the difference between inconvenience and infringement.

Requiring gun owners to do a little more to protect guns they are choosing to own is not infringement on their right to own it.

The funny thing about guns is you hope to never use them if you are sane, but when you need one the necessity is immediate. So, the law negates the reason for ownership. And unfortunately only the honest, responsible, law abiding citizens are impinged by its observance. The criminal will have a weapon, it will not have a trigger lock, it will not be boxed, the magazine will not be stored separately, and it will be pointed at you.

No gun in a safe will protect you during a home invasion, nor is it safe from the criminals who will have a gun at your head, or your child's, or your spouse's forcing you to use the combination to open the safe so that both valuables and firearms may be stolen.

Common sense says if you can't have a gun immediately available for defense, then you have no need to own one. And this is where the disingenuous nature of the left rears its ugly head and is exposed. They want all people to be subservient to the only people who have arms, law enforcement and criminals. That makes everyone compliant with their tyranny and BS.

If you are talking about a standard combination safe?...I tend to agree.

I have 2 biometric safes in my home. One in the bedroom and one in the living area. I bought both on Amazon for 99 bucks a piece. Both myself and wife can access multiple firearms in less than a second of putting a finger on lighted button. I highly recommend these things. Very cheap investment for both safety and security.
I can't really think of a situation that could occur in which I would not have time enough to protect myself using them given I have a home security system also. It's possible...but highly unlikely. This is not meant to be argumentative. Just pointing out there really are options now to consider.

Watch it - oruvoice says those cost thousands of dollars, making it completely inequitable to acquire.

Once again, you show your lack of knowledge on the subject. If you want a little metal box that will hold one (maybe two) small pistols, then maybe $100. And you do realize that metal box is easier to steal than a laptop.

An actual, viable gun safe that holds more than one or two small pistols, that is securely mounted in your home, is upwards of $1,000. And, we haven't even discussed the cost of the mounted car safes. But by all means...keep on going. I'm enjoying watching your misguided self-assurance on a topic you know little/nothing about!

I mean if you want to get technical you seem to have a big gap in knowledge on the subject. What you are describing for $1000 isn't a safe. Gun safes aren't safes, they are residential security containers.

Actual UL listed TL-15 safes weigh about 3x what "Gun Safe" residential security containers weight and are rated for resistance to tools that is sized for 24 - 30 guns weighs about 2k pounds.

Residential storage laws in other countries are about limiting access to unauthorized access by people in the home who shouldn't have access and quick smash and grab burglars. Someone who is determined and has the time alone can defeat any RSC or even TL rated safe, the key thing is slowing the quick smash and grab robber down so they move on because they know the longer they stay the more likely they are to get caught.

$100 quick access pistol boxes and relatively inexpensive RSC's that aren't fire rated are effective in that goal.

(03-28-2023 03:43 PM)oruvoice Wrote:  

(03-28-2023 03:40 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(03-28-2023 03:38 PM)tigergreen Wrote:  

(03-28-2023 03:33 PM)oruvoice Wrote:  

(03-28-2023 03:29 PM)tigergreen Wrote:  Watch it - oruvoice says those cost thousands of dollars, making it completely inequitable to acquire.

Once again, you show your lack of knowledge on the subject. If you want a little metal box that will hold one (maybe two) small pistols, then maybe $100. And you do realize that metal box is easier to steal than a laptop.

An actual, viable gun safe that holds more than one or two small pistols, that is securely mounted in your home, is upwards of $1,000. And, we haven't even discussed the cost of the mounted car safes. But by all means...keep on going. I'm enjoying watching your misguided self-assurance on a topic you know little/nothing about!

Exactly how many guns do you feel you need to take in your car?

As many as i want.

This whole discussion about safes was pertaining to cars, since that's where we have a huge issue right now.

there is no huge issue where i live. maybe move where people arent damn thugs breaking into cars.

Bingo! No further response required.

I'm not the one who needs a gun with me at all times as some weird security blanket when there's "no huge issue" where he lives.

(03-28-2023 03:27 PM)tigergreen Wrote:  

(03-28-2023 03:15 PM)gdunn Wrote:  

(03-28-2023 03:13 PM)tigergreen Wrote:  

(03-28-2023 03:01 PM)oruvoice Wrote:  It's kinda funny to hear these loons talk about "responsible gun ownership". All you need to do is invest in trigger locks, gun safes, and automobile safes that are mounted in your car. The same folks that talk about "equity" for the disenfranchised tell you that you need to spend hundreds if not thousands of dollars to "properly" own a gun.

No one is forcing you to own a gun - you're choosing to. That is your right.

If you choose to do that, you need to be able to handle it responsibly when you're taking it out in public (and at home).

Thousands of dollars is laughable - you can get reputable safes for under $100.00 all day long. If you're spending that much on gun stuff, maybe you're just blowing your money....which again, is your right.

Which means I'll choose how I secure it.. Not some idjit in DC or a message board.

Apparently some "responsible" gun owners think throwing it in the glove box & locking their car door is enough security, which is flat out incorrect.

If we care one bit about stopping the ridiculous number of gun crimes and mass shootings, we're simply going to have to do more than what is currently being done.
Gun safes & the like are just a tiny piece of the puzzle.

I don't lock guns in car safes for safety. I periodically lock them in car safes in trunk to keep sh!theads from stealing my stuff when I go someplace that I am unable to carry.

I have safes at home that I use but primarily just for convenient storage. I also have firearms that are not in them right now as I type this. One bird gun I need to clean when I get around to it. One Ruger 10-22 for skunks that pop up this time of year. And two handguns in kydex that are on nightstands when not in a waistband. One is mine. One is my wife's.

No kids in house. Just wife and I. You really think legislation for keeping firearms locked up should apply to everyone? Safes make sense in many situations and definitely if there are kids in the home but legislating locking up firearms is going to turn a lot of law abiding citizens into potential criminals overnight.

the only time my car was ever broken into was in front of browning on the campus of memphis state.

the frickin moron stole a radio out of my car, used my tools, left the tools and didnt see the shotgun i had under a blanket in the back seat.

so if your car is getting broken into, i get it.

move.

(03-28-2023 03:45 PM)tigergreen Wrote:  

(03-28-2023 03:21 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  Her family said she was under treatment from a doctor for an emotional disorder.

Go figure.

Back on topic, what entails an emotional disorder? Anxiety? Depression? Bipolar disorder or schizophrenia?

Where do you draw the line of where a person shouldn't be able to purchase a gun if they have no prior record?

That rule already exists. If they have every been adjudicated as mentally ill, or any other appropriate terminology, they are prohibited legally from purchasing a firearm. The computer background check that is required however, is only as good as its data entry, and only as current as that data entry. There's the hole in the system.

What the law cannot protect against is an undiagnosed and never adjudicated individual who seeks to do the same. They'll get the gun, unless family or teachers or someone with direct knowledge and oversight of them request a ruling on their competency.

(03-28-2023 03:37 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(03-28-2023 03:36 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(03-28-2023 03:18 PM)oruvoice Wrote:  

(03-28-2023 03:13 PM)tigergreen Wrote:  

(03-28-2023 03:01 PM)oruvoice Wrote:  It's kinda funny to hear these loons talk about "responsible gun ownership". All you need to do is invest in trigger locks, gun safes, and automobile safes that are mounted in your car. The same folks that talk about "equity" for the disenfranchised tell you that you need to spend hundreds if not thousands of dollars to "properly" own a gun.

No one is forcing you to own a gun - you're choosing to. That is your right.

If you choose to do that, you need to be able to handle it responsibly when you're taking it out in public (and at home).

Thousands of dollars is laughable - you can get reputable safes for under $100.00 all day long. If you're spending that much on gun stuff, maybe you're just blowing your money....which again, is your right.

You can get reputable gun safes for under $100?

How do you tell me that you know nothing about gun safes without telling me you know nothing about gun safes?!?

And, we haven't even gotten into the mounted car safes that Elvis mentioned.

You can get a steel box and a steel cable to lock it to the seat rail, or you can bolt it down in the trunk, for less than $100.

If you want the custom boxes that integrate into the center console or replace the storage under the back seat of the truck you will spend more money, but you can get a simple lock box and a cable for less than $100.

oh frick off telling other people what to do. i am so sick of this shite. go get your 12 booster

Piss off, we were having a conversation.

(03-28-2023 03:47 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(03-28-2023 03:33 PM)oruvoice Wrote:  

(03-28-2023 03:29 PM)tigergreen Wrote:  

(03-28-2023 03:15 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(03-28-2023 12:33 PM)JRsec Wrote:  The funny thing about guns is you hope to never use them if you are sane, but when you need one the necessity is immediate. So, the law negates the reason for ownership. And unfortunately only the honest, responsible, law abiding citizens are impinged by its observance. The criminal will have a weapon, it will not have a trigger lock, it will not be boxed, the magazine will not be stored separately, and it will be pointed at you.

No gun in a safe will protect you during a home invasion, nor is it safe from the criminals who will have a gun at your head, or your child's, or your spouse's forcing you to use the combination to open the safe so that both valuables and firearms may be stolen.

Common sense says if you can't have a gun immediately available for defense, then you have no need to own one. And this is where the disingenuous nature of the left rears its ugly head and is exposed. They want all people to be subservient to the only people who have arms, law enforcement and criminals. That makes everyone compliant with their tyranny and BS.

If you are talking about a standard combination safe?...I tend to agree.

I have 2 biometric safes in my home. One in the bedroom and one in the living area. I bought both on Amazon for 99 bucks a piece. Both myself and wife can access multiple firearms in less than a second of putting a finger on lighted button. I highly recommend these things. Very cheap investment for both safety and security.
I can't really think of a situation that could occur in which I would not have time enough to protect myself using them given I have a home security system also. It's possible...but highly unlikely. This is not meant to be argumentative. Just pointing out there really are options now to consider.

Watch it - oruvoice says those cost thousands of dollars, making it completely inequitable to acquire.

Once again, you show your lack of knowledge on the subject. If you want a little metal box that will hold one (maybe two) small pistols, then maybe $100. And you do realize that metal box is easier to steal than a laptop.

An actual, viable gun safe that holds more than one or two small pistols, that is securely mounted in your home, is upwards of $1,000. And, we haven't even discussed the cost of the mounted car safes. But by all means...keep on going. I'm enjoying watching your misguided self-assurance on a topic you know little/nothing about!

I mean if you want to get technical you seem to have a big gap in knowledge on the subject. What you are describing for $1000 isn't a safe. Gun safes aren't safes, they are residential security containers.

Actual UL listed TL-15 safes weigh about 3x what "Gun Safe" residential security containers weight and are rated for resistance to tools that is sized for 24 - 30 guns weighs about 2k pounds.

Residential storage laws in other countries are about limiting access to unauthorized access by people in the home who shouldn't have access and quick smash and grab burglars. Someone who is determined and has the time alone can defeat any RSC or even TL rated safe, the key thing is slowing the quick smash and grab robber down so they move on because they know the longer they stay the more likely they are to get caught.

$100 quick access pistol boxes and relatively inexpensive RSC's that aren't fire rated are effective in that goal.

I think we're all done here with the "costs thousands of dollars" nonsense.

Gun safes in cars my azz.
Ridiculous

(03-28-2023 03:48 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  

(03-28-2023 03:27 PM)tigergreen Wrote:  

(03-28-2023 03:15 PM)gdunn Wrote:  

(03-28-2023 03:13 PM)tigergreen Wrote:  

(03-28-2023 03:01 PM)oruvoice Wrote:  It's kinda funny to hear these loons talk about "responsible gun ownership". All you need to do is invest in trigger locks, gun safes, and automobile safes that are mounted in your car. The same folks that talk about "equity" for the disenfranchised tell you that you need to spend hundreds if not thousands of dollars to "properly" own a gun.

No one is forcing you to own a gun - you're choosing to. That is your right.

If you choose to do that, you need to be able to handle it responsibly when you're taking it out in public (and at home).

Thousands of dollars is laughable - you can get reputable safes for under $100.00 all day long. If you're spending that much on gun stuff, maybe you're just blowing your money....which again, is your right.

Which means I'll choose how I secure it.. Not some idjit in DC or a message board.

Apparently some "responsible" gun owners think throwing it in the glove box & locking their car door is enough security, which is flat out incorrect.

If we care one bit about stopping the ridiculous number of gun crimes and mass shootings, we're simply going to have to do more than what is currently being done.
Gun safes & the like are just a tiny piece of the puzzle.

I don't lock guns in car safes for safety. I periodically lock them in car safes in trunk to keep sh!theads from stealing my stuff when I go someplace that I am unable to carry.

I have safes at home that I use but primarily just for convenient storage. I also have firearms that are not in them right now as I type this. One bird gun I need to clean when I get around to it. One Ruger 10-22 for skunks that pop up this time of year. And two handguns in kydex that are on nightstands when not in a waistband. One is mine. One is my wife's.

No kids in house. Just wife and I. You really think legislation for keeping firearms locked up should apply to everyone? Safes make sense in many situations and definitely if there are kids in the home but legislating locking up firearms is going to turn a lot of law abiding citizens into potential criminals overnight.

I think it should for people who are choosing to take guns with them and leave them in cars, 100%. Again, this is a tiny measure I think could help against gun crimes in addition to many other ideas.

My personal feelings on guns in the home are just that - I agree with you if kids are in the house, you need a safe. I wouldn't go as far as to say it needs to be a legislated requirement in the house, though.

Heck, I took a shotgun or two and a deer rifle to school in my car almost every day. And a bunch of us would go hunting right after school. And we never had even a threat of a shooting at school. Probably nobody would have dared because a bunch of us would have run out and gotten our guns and killed anybody who tried.

It's a different world today.

One question for those who favor gun control laws. Exactly WTF would any of the laws you favor have done to prevent Nashville or any other recent school or mass shooting?