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Have they said yet where it got the guns? Surely if these were legally purchased and there was a background check something would have come up. I'm trying to figure out how any sick POS could call an unarmed child killer a martyr but nothing surprises me anymore. May thee burn in Hades.
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(03-28-2023 01:11 PM)mlb Wrote:  
(03-28-2023 12:31 PM)bearcat65 Wrote:  What about the fetus that's far enough along that can survive outside the womb? It's not a conflation but rather a stark example of the left's hypocrisy and selective outrage.

Very few are aborted at that point. I don't think abortion should be a version of birth control, but there are plenty of scenarios where it should be an option. Again, it is a false equivalency.

No it's not a false equivalency. It's selective outrage.
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(03-28-2023 12:47 PM)Claw Wrote:  
(03-28-2023 12:23 PM)tigergreen Wrote:  
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(03-28-2023 09:41 AM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  I haven't proposed anything that infringes on the second amendment. Nothing about a gun storage law infringes on your right to buy or own a gun.

The second amendment is perhaps the most clearly and concisely written. When you understand the common use and meaning of words when it was written it is 100% crystal clear. The govt has no say in ownership of firearms by private citizens. Over the last 200 years that notion has been discarded on countless occasions, each more restrictive then before.

My opinion aside, the Supreme Court ruled that DC's requirements for weapons to be disassembled or bound with a trigger lock to be a violation of the second amendment. As usual, you are 100% incorrect that "nothing about gun storage law infringes on your right to buy or own a gun."


A lot of people on here seem to have a hard time understanding the difference between inconvenience and infringement.

Requiring gun owners to do a little more to protect guns they are choosing to own is not infringement on their right to own it.

Any requirement like you are envisioning is a defacto tax. You can have a gun, but, you have to have to buy a lock box, a trigger lock, a car safe, and so on. It's just another tax, and if you pass that kind of law, you can bet your ass the spouses of Democratic lawmakers will own the companies selling the "approved" devices.

We have had taxes on gun ownership for a long time.

Want to buy a gun? Have to pay $10 for the background check.
Suppressor? $200 tax stamp.
Rifle with a barrel shorter than 16in? $200 tax stamp.
Machine Gun? Costs somewhere between a nice Swiss watch and a new midsize sedan because of artificial supply limits, plus a $200 tax stamp.

The majority opinion on Heller says specifically it isn’t a default ban on all gun control, and a wide range of gun control laws remain presumptively lawful including laws that (1) prohibit carrying concealed weapons, (2) prohibit gun possession by felons or the mentally retarded, (3) prohibit carrying firearms in sensitive places such as schools and government buildings, (4) impose “conditions and qualifications on the commercial sale of arms,” (5) prohibit “dangerous and unusual weapons,” and (6) regulate firearm storage to prevent accidents.
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(03-28-2023 01:16 PM)HCJag Wrote:  Have they said yet where it got the guns? Surely if these were legally purchased and there was a background check something would have come up. I'm trying to figure out how any sick POS could call an unarmed child killer a martyr but nothing surprises me anymore. May thee burn in Hades.

According to the press conference today they owned 7 guns all purchased legally in the local Nashville area. Shooter was under going psychiatric care and parents believed the shooter had only one purchased one gun and sold it.
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(03-28-2023 01:11 PM)mlb Wrote:  
(03-28-2023 12:31 PM)bearcat65 Wrote:  What about the fetus that's far enough along that can survive outside the womb? It's not a conflation but rather a stark example of the left's hypocrisy and selective outrage.

Very few are aborted at that point. I don't think abortion should be a version of birth control, but there are plenty of scenarios where it should be an option. Again, it is a false equivalency.

And "very few" school shootings happen. I guarantee you that there are WAY more viable babies murdered than there are people killed in school shootings every year.

"if it saves just one life"

And NO BABY can survive outside the womb w/o an adult. One of my good friends just had a child at 23 weeks.
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(03-28-2023 01:17 PM)bearcat65 Wrote:  
(03-28-2023 01:11 PM)mlb Wrote:  Very few are aborted at that point. I don't think abortion should be a version of birth control, but there are plenty of scenarios where it should be an option. Again, it is a false equivalency.

No it's not a false equivalency. It's selective outrage.

By all means, you are welcome to that viewpoint. That being said, I've lost a friend because of her pregnancy. She was talked out of the abortion, even though her doctor told her she would probably die if she didn't have the abortion. Instead both her and the baby died.

Obviously, that isn't the norm, but there are most certainly scenarios where an abortion should be an option.
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(03-28-2023 01:11 PM)mlb Wrote:  
(03-28-2023 12:31 PM)bearcat65 Wrote:  What about the fetus that's far enough along that can survive outside the womb? It's not a conflation but rather a stark example of the left's hypocrisy and selective outrage.

Very few are aborted at that point. I don't think abortion should be a version of birth control, but there are plenty of scenarios where it should be an option. Again, it is a false equivalency.

Some of the blues states are working on legislation to change that. They intend to allow abortion all the way up to delivery.

I even saw an article about one state, Washington I think, which plans to become an Abortion Sanctuary state and will allow any female of any age to get an abortion in their state without parental consent.
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Most countries don’t need armed security in their schools. Most countries don’t need to modify their schools to secure the front entrance. Most countries don’t need to install hardened classroom doors so teachers can lock down their classroom.

The problem we are dealing with is mostly an American one.
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Most countries have populations that are subservient to the government solely because their weapons were confiscated or not allowed to be sold by merchants. They are at the whims of the government those governments do whatever they want with no repercussions of any kind. If we didn't have the 2nd amendment this country would be just as bad as they are. We'd be slaves to the government with no recourse in case they went overboard in their edicts. You know like it happens in China, Cuba, Venezuela, NK, etc, and another etc.

The only thing that is keeping us from being a socialist/communist country is that there are more gun owners than people in the military and that's saying a lot as most of the military would probably be on the common folks side in a civil war...and the government knows this. What is the common discourse of the Demoncraptic party? "Take away the right to own a weapon, screw the 2nd amendment." They know that this is the most important item in securing a totalitarian government, to take away the means for the public to overthrow a despotic regime. The writers of the Constitution knew this and that's why the right to ownership of a gun was put into it.

If you think that you'd be exempted from laws that would come from this type of government you're sadly mistaken. Just ask the people in Cuba who fought for Castro and now rue that day. Or better yet in Venezuela where they're coming to the US in unimagined numbers. They thought Socialism was the way, they found out differently. You should open your eyes, you're asleep at the wheel.
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(03-28-2023 01:21 PM)mlb Wrote:  
(03-28-2023 01:17 PM)bearcat65 Wrote:  
(03-28-2023 01:11 PM)mlb Wrote:  Very few are aborted at that point. I don't think abortion should be a version of birth control, but there are plenty of scenarios where it should be an option. Again, it is a false equivalency.

No it's not a false equivalency. It's selective outrage.

By all means, you are welcome to that viewpoint. That being said, I've lost a friend because of her pregnancy. She was talked out of the abortion, even though her doctor told her she would probably die if she didn't have the abortion. Instead both her and the baby died.

Obviously, that isn't the norm, but there are most certainly scenarios where an abortion should be an option.

I'm sorry for the loss and I do not oppose abortion in the rare cases where that is the issue nor do I oppose it immediately following rape. That being said there are many on the left who champion it up to late term and those same people will call for gun control for the sake of children's lives. That is why I don't think this is a false equivalency but rather hypocrisy and selective outrage.
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(03-28-2023 10:44 AM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  
(03-28-2023 10:25 AM)gdunn Wrote:  
(03-28-2023 10:01 AM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  
(03-28-2023 09:46 AM)gdunn Wrote:  
(03-28-2023 09:41 AM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  I haven't proposed anything that infringes on the second amendment. Nothing about a gun storage law infringes on your right to buy or own a gun.

I'm simply looking at real ways to stop the flow of guns to criminals. Stolen guns is a massive source of illegal guns. If we secure the legal guns and slow the flow of stolen guns to criminals then as criminals are arrested and their guns seized then the number of guns in the hands of criminals is reduced.

So my gun is secured.. Locked safe and all.. Someone breaks into my house and somehow hauls my safe away (it's happened).. They break into the safe and commit a crime with one of my guns.. I'm responsible?

No, because you stored you firearm in a safe manner.

So let's play devil advocate...

My car is broken into.. Gun was stolen.. Used in a crime..

I claim it was secured in a handgun safe...

Who's going to know if that was the truth or not?

When you report stolen gun there would be a police report taken in person. No more of these lazy phone police reports.

If you tell the cop it was stored in a secured container, there would be evidence that they opened the container, cut the cable, ripped the container out.

What if they took the cable with them. This is stupid. We can do this all day.
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(03-28-2023 01:38 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  Most countries don’t need armed security in their schools. Most countries don’t need to modify their schools to secure the front entrance. Most countries don’t need to install hardened classroom doors so teachers can lock down their classroom.

The problem we are dealing with is mostly an American one.

Most countries have populations that are subservient to the government solely because their weapons were confiscated or not allowed to be sold by merchants. They are at the whims of the government those governments do whatever they want with no repercussions of any kind. If we didn't have the 2nd amendment this country would be just as bad as they are. We'd be slaves to the government with no recourse in case they went overboard in their edicts. You know like it happens in China, Cuba, Venezuela, NK, etc, and another etc.

The only thing that is keeping us from being a socialist/communist country is that there are more gun owners than people in the military and that's saying a lot as most of the military would probably be on the common folks side in a civil war...and the government knows this. What is the common discourse of the Demoncraptic party? "Take away the right to own a weapon, screw the 2nd amendment." They know that this is the most important item in securing a totalitarian government, to take away the means for the public to overthrow a despotic regime. The writers of the Constitution knew this and that's why the right to ownership of a gun was put into it.

If you think that you'd be exempted from laws that would come from this type of government you're sadly mistaken. Just ask the people in Cuba who fought for Castro and now rue that day. Or better yet in Venezuela where they're coming to the US in unimagined numbers. They thought Socialism was the way, they found out differently. You should open your eyes, you're asleep at the wheel.
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Most countries don't have entire towns killed by drug cartel members either. We don't have that problem.

Most countries don't have Muslims rampantly killing Christians, but several African nations do. We don't have that problem here.

Most countries don't have Muslims attacking and killing Hindus, but India does. We don't have that problem here.

What do we have here? We have people killing children. Why? Because all of the adults are armed and drug cartels can't do whatever they want. All of the Christians are armed and Muslims can't simply kill them. All of the Hindus are armed, and they aren't available to slaughter.

Gun ownership stops the rampant killing of adults because the adults are armed. That's why children are targets here. They are the only people defenseless.
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(03-28-2023 01:44 PM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  
(03-28-2023 10:44 AM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  
(03-28-2023 10:25 AM)gdunn Wrote:  
(03-28-2023 10:01 AM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  
(03-28-2023 09:46 AM)gdunn Wrote:  So my gun is secured.. Locked safe and all.. Someone breaks into my house and somehow hauls my safe away (it's happened).. They break into the safe and commit a crime with one of my guns.. I'm responsible?

No, because you stored you firearm in a safe manner.

So let's play devil advocate...

My car is broken into.. Gun was stolen.. Used in a crime..

I claim it was secured in a handgun safe...

Who's going to know if that was the truth or not?

When you report stolen gun there would be a police report taken in person. No more of these lazy phone police reports.

If you tell the cop it was stored in a secured container, there would be evidence that they opened the container, cut the cable, ripped the container out.

What if they took the cable with them. This is stupid. We can do this all day.

Kind a hard to get a police report when the libturds defunded the police.
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(03-28-2023 11:20 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  So..It looks like the first group to be banned from buying guns are those that can't figure out what sex they are.

Co-sign
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(03-28-2023 10:44 AM)Todor Wrote:  Meanwhile, even 3rd world countries are laughing at the fact that we have virtually unlimited money, yet this is the best we can come up with. We will destroy ourselves before any outside threats have a chance. Who will we blame then?

Actually, we will destroy ourselves because of outside influences in our society. You probably being one of them.
We allow China and communist Russia to infiltrate our media, Hollywood, our educational system, the social media platforms, and lastly, but not least of all our very Congress. Until we decide to become a patriotic and self-aware country again we will continue to decline. Interestingly, that is exactly what make America great again actually means.

That process started a very long time ago, 1940's and 50's, long before China rose up out of their rice paddies. We allowed our attention to be diverted and here we are.

Joe McCarthy was right.
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"olliebaba Wrote:
Most countries don’t need armed security in their schools. Most countries don’t need to modify their schools to secure the front entrance. Most countries don’t need to install hardened classroom doors so teachers can lock down their classroom.

The problem we are dealing with is mostly an American one."

I didn't post that, the crazy one did.
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(03-28-2023 11:33 AM)shere khan Wrote:  
(03-28-2023 11:20 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  So..It looks like the first group to be banned from buying guns are those that can't figure out what sex they are.

This is the sad part honestly. We have a culture that lost the shooter somewhere along the way through the celebration of mental illness. Then we lost the lives of the people just trying to live their best lives.

We live in a very sick culture and depraved society.

Every one of the people could have been saved.

Honestly, I blame prog filth for cultivating this complete dysfunctional lunacy. Like with everything else, the prog filth blame the wrong thing, the gun.

We had a long thread about freaks wanting to remove, of all things, a religious text from schools. These same freaks encourage mental illness and self mutilation while wanting to take away a critical tool used in self defense.

The world is upside-down.

And to a person they look at us like we are the ones not thinking straight, like we're the genetic abnormalities. You've seen their faces, their looks, how they look down on us like we are scum. It makes me want to knock the smirks off their faces.figuratively speaking of course
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I think this thread has ran it's course...

There's no real solutions by anyone, even if there are the jacklegs in DC ain't going to do anything because they haven't yet, and the longer we go the dumber the arguments get..
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EXCLUSIVE: Nashville mass school shooter Audrey Hale was rejected by her Christian parents who 'couldn't accept' she was gay and trans - as cops reveal she also planned to shoot relatives


Quote:Twisted school shooter Audrey Hale was at odds with her devout Christian parents because they 'couldn't accept' she was gay and transgender, DailyMail.com can exclusively reveal.

Church coordinator Norma, 61, and her husband Ronald, 64, refused to let Hale - who had recently adopted the name Aiden and used he/him pronouns - dress as a man in their home.

The 28-year-old loner would instead wait until she left their $700,000 Nashville property to change outfits, according to a well-placed source.

'You only see what you want to see. Their religion does not allow them to accept homosexuality,' the source told DailyMail.com.

'She was Audrey at home but when she left the house she changed clothes. They did know about it, they just didn't accept it.'

Neighbors in the tree-lined suburban street where the family lived for three decades said they were clueless about Hale's apparent transition and remembered her as a 'skater, tomboy type.'

'She introduced herself about a year and a half ago as Audrey,' said one.

'I treated her like a female and she didn't correct me. She seemed artistic, quiet, and well-mannered.'

Police now say Hale planned to carry out more attacks - including against her own family.

'We've talked to the father and the mother. We searched the home and found two more weapons there and some more maps, pertaining to thinking about some other incidents.

'We strongly believe there were going to be some other targets, including family members, and one of the malls here in Nashville and it just did not happen,' Chief John Drake told CBS this morning.

Posing sweetly with a bow in her hair, Audrey Hale was the picture of innocence in her eight-year-old yearbook photo from The Covenant School.

Twenty years later, after being rejected by her Christian family when she came out to them as gay, Hale had turned into a killer.

Yesterday, she murdered three innocent children and three staff members at the very school where her photo was taken as a child.

It's unclear why she targeted that facility.

Police also say she planned to attack a mall and family members, but she was shot dead at Covenant before she could murder any more.

There is still little known about how Hale transformed from a the 'sweet' girl described by neighbors, to a murderous shooter with two rifles and a handgun, who penned a killing manifesto and even drew a cartoon about how she planned to attack.

Police say she was being treated for an 'emotional disorder', and that her parents believed she no longer had any weapons.

They knew that at one time she had one firearm, but thought she had sold it.

In reality, Audrey was stockpiling her arsenal. She visited five different stores, buying a total of seven weapons.
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