(03-09-2023 07:37 AM)TripleA Wrote:  You're blaming Trump instead of Fauci? Really?

I am blaming Trump FOR Anthony Fauci.

You must not yet have had your coffee this morning, TripleA.

(03-09-2023 07:40 AM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  

(03-09-2023 07:37 AM)TripleA Wrote:  You're blaming Trump instead of Fauci? Really?

I am blaming Trump FOR Anthony Fauci.

You must not yet have had your coffee this morning, TripleA.

No, I read the edit, I just disagree with your premise. Go back and read my edit.

Who else did he have to depend on who was saying something different? At the time, he had no clue all the crap Fauci was pulling.

And even if he had listened to others who were bold enough to disagree with the premise of the lab leak, that wouldn't have mattered. It was the response that mattered, and at the time, the vaccine looked like a miracle. All the crap Fauci was pulling behind the scenes was unknown to almost everybody.

(03-09-2023 07:37 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(03-09-2023 07:23 AM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  

(03-08-2023 08:26 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(03-08-2023 06:48 PM)Bronco14 Wrote:  

(03-08-2023 06:43 PM)natibeast2.0 Wrote:  From the start, I was on the train of lockdowns themselves will likely cause more deaths and harm than the virus itself. It’s hard to quantify that but it’s become a more mainstream thought on just how bad locking down people was and the impact will last long into the future in every facet of peoples lives.
The “pandemic” handling was a failure on all fronts. Unlike the doc above I doing think those in charge had the best interest of people in decision making granted he only noted that in regards to gain of function.

Fauci ran the country for a year. Trump s/h fired his ass at least June of that year.

The problem was that all Trump had to rely on was bureaucrats like Fauci. The USA has no emergency response agency. FEMA isn't. NIH, CDC, and FDA aren't. There is no capacity to deal with something like COVID.

The bolded sentence is, at least to my recollection, flat-out incorrect.

There was not an single, unified narrative on the covid response until the moron Trump anointed Fauci and Birx to become the first, middle and last word on the subject:

—> Bronco14’s concern about covid being used to introduce mail-in ballots to the 2020 election is not an after-the-fact, hindsight comment. Many, and not just on this board, were warning of that reality in real time. Yet DJT was too arrogant, too susceptible to the mealy-mouthed flattery from Fauci and Birx and too fond of all of the repetitive “I Love Me” rallies he was treating himself to in front of his already committed supporters.

—> natibeast’s recognition of the dangers of lockdowns was not a solitary voice. LOTS of people were staying the same thing in real time. Yet Trump allowed those voices to be shut down as “science deniers”, even though the only science that his infinitesimal attention span considered was what was fed to him by Fauci.

—> We on this board, and on countless similar forums, had countless debates over herd immunity, over the constantly changing mask requirements, over the criminally selfish behavior of the teachers’ unions, etc. None of those open debates among the populace were ever given ANY credence by the Trump administration. He was having way too much enjoyment preening in front of press conferences, while his control of our nation’s response was handed over to a wormy little criminal like Fauci.

Now, three years later, the only mystery to me is why ANYONE is not equally furious about what Donald Trump allowed to happen to our nation on his watch.

You're blaming Trump instead of Fauci? Really?

Trump didn't fund gain-of-function research.. Trump didn't try to cover up the lab leak. Trump didn't shut down differing opinions. Trump didn't manufacture false studies. Trump didn't pay off researchers to back his animal theory and dis the lab leak theory. Fauci did.

I understand you hate Trump, but...

Your edit, TripleA, arrived after my post.

No, Trump didn’t do any of those things. Anthony Fauci did.

But how does that excuse Donald Trump from delegating our national policy to an evil little prick like Fauci?

I understand your love Trump, but …

(03-09-2023 07:46 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(03-09-2023 07:40 AM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  

(03-09-2023 07:37 AM)TripleA Wrote:  You're blaming Trump instead of Fauci? Really?

I am blaming Trump FOR Anthony Fauci.

You must not yet have had your coffee this morning, TripleA.

No, I read the edit, I just disagree with your premise. Go back and read my edit.

Who else did he have to depend on who was saying something different? At the time, he had no clue all the crap Fauci was pulling.

And even if he had listened to others who were bold enough to disagree with the premise of the lab leak, that wouldn't have mattered. It was the response that mattered, and at the time, the vaccine looked like a miracle. All the crap Fauci was pulling behind the scenes was unknown to almost everybody.

Bull. There were plenty of dissenting voices at that time. Including mine, and I know virtually nothing.

There were debates over the “Sweden” model. There were statements of outrage regarding “two weeks to flatten the curve” becoming indefinitely extended. There were plenty, including in gov’t, making lots of noise about the lab-leak origin of covid.

Yet PRESIDENT Trump ignored all of them.

(03-09-2023 07:40 AM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  

(03-09-2023 07:37 AM)TripleA Wrote:  You're blaming Trump instead of Fauci? Really?

I am blaming Trump FOR Anthony Fauci.

You must not yet have had your coffee this morning, TripleA.

owl #s has made a valid point arguing against this ... with covid, I'm in the camp he was between a rock and a hard one going into '20 ... and Ja!, like DeSantis and others, I pined he take the path of what many believed would be political suicide (there's no question they'd have fired back at him with all and every slur in their libtard arsenal)...

it's easy to say, "he chose poorly" after the fact ... however, nuts zongo and others called him out in real-time with a vengeance ... we knew it was a Yuge misstep on his part...

along with the genocide of fast tracking the 'jab that isn't a vax', we now have the residual impact of @>270EVsBlueBakedInn(25) ... (AM)

oh wellzy ... those cold hearted bastages we call libtards are some mean mothertruckers with time on their side ... and they know it!

(03-09-2023 07:51 AM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  

(03-09-2023 07:37 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(03-09-2023 07:23 AM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  

(03-08-2023 08:26 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(03-08-2023 06:48 PM)Bronco14 Wrote:  Fauci ran the country for a year. Trump s/h fired his ass at least June of that year.

The problem was that all Trump had to rely on was bureaucrats like Fauci. The USA has no emergency response agency. FEMA isn't. NIH, CDC, and FDA aren't. There is no capacity to deal with something like COVID.

The bolded sentence is, at least to my recollection, flat-out incorrect.

There was not an single, unified narrative on the covid response until the moron Trump anointed Fauci and Birx to become the first, middle and last word on the subject:

—> Bronco14’s concern about covid being used to introduce mail-in ballots to the 2020 election is not an after-the-fact, hindsight comment. Many, and not just on this board, were warning of that reality in real time. Yet DJT was too arrogant, too susceptible to the mealy-mouthed flattery from Fauci and Birx and too fond of all of the repetitive “I Love Me” rallies he was treating himself to in front of his already committed supporters.

—> natibeast’s recognition of the dangers of lockdowns was not a solitary voice. LOTS of people were staying the same thing in real time. Yet Trump allowed those voices to be shut down as “science deniers”, even though the only science that his infinitesimal attention span considered was what was fed to him by Fauci.

—> We on this board, and on countless similar forums, had countless debates over herd immunity, over the constantly changing mask requirements, over the criminally selfish behavior of the teachers’ unions, etc. None of those open debates among the populace were ever given ANY credence by the Trump administration. He was having way too much enjoyment preening in front of press conferences, while his control of our nation’s response was handed over to a wormy little criminal like Fauci.

Now, three years later, the only mystery to me is why ANYONE is not equally furious about what Donald Trump allowed to happen to our nation on his watch.

You're blaming Trump instead of Fauci? Really?

Trump didn't fund gain-of-function research.. Trump didn't try to cover up the lab leak. Trump didn't shut down differing opinions. Trump didn't manufacture false studies. Trump didn't pay off researchers to back his animal theory and dis the lab leak theory. Fauci did.

I understand you hate Trump, but...

Your edit, TripleA, arrived after my post.

No, Trump didn’t do any of those things. Anthony Fauci did.

But how does that excuse Donald Trump from delegating our national policy to an evil little prick like Fauci?

I understand your love Trump, but …

I don't love Trump. I didn't vote for him the first time, only the second, b/c I already knew Biden was a babbling idiot, and corrupt. I can't stand Trump. But it doesn't make me blame him for Fauci.

(03-09-2023 07:55 AM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  

(03-09-2023 07:46 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(03-09-2023 07:40 AM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  

(03-09-2023 07:37 AM)TripleA Wrote:  You're blaming Trump instead of Fauci? Really?

I am blaming Trump FOR Anthony Fauci.

You must not yet have had your coffee this morning, TripleA.

No, I read the edit, I just disagree with your premise. Go back and read my edit.

Who else did he have to depend on who was saying something different? At the time, he had no clue all the crap Fauci was pulling.

And even if he had listened to others who were bold enough to disagree with the premise of the lab leak, that wouldn't have mattered. It was the response that mattered, and at the time, the vaccine looked like a miracle. All the crap Fauci was pulling behind the scenes was unknown to almost everybody.

Bull. There were plenty of dissenting voices at that time. Including mine, and I know virtually nothing.

There were debates over the “Sweden” model. There were statements of outrage regarding “two weeks to flatten the curve” becoming indefinitely extended. There were plenty, including in gov’t, making lots of noise about the lab-leak origin of covid.

Yet PRESIDENT Trump ignored all of them.

Trump believed the lab leak. But what was anybody going to do about it at the time? That wasn't the crisis. The crisis was we needed a solution to the virus. I think Trump did what any reasonable person would do, fast-track a vaccine.

All that other stuff was just smoke around the real issue of getting a long term solution. As it turns out, the vaccine was BS, but no damn body knew THAT at the time.

And all this other stuff about Fauci came out after Trump was out of office.

AM's TDS is strong as always. The reasonableness of his character is very often overshadowed but it.

Fauci was there long before Trump and if Trump had fired him the political repercussions for him would have been massive, which was, of course, always Trump's top priority.

Please tell me AM that your well being, political or otherwise, is not YOUR top priority.

I am no Trump fan either, but this covid BS was not on him.

(03-09-2023 08:01 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(03-09-2023 07:55 AM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  

(03-09-2023 07:46 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(03-09-2023 07:40 AM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  

(03-09-2023 07:37 AM)TripleA Wrote:  You're blaming Trump instead of Fauci? Really?

I am blaming Trump FOR Anthony Fauci.

You must not yet have had your coffee this morning, TripleA.

No, I read the edit, I just disagree with your premise. Go back and read my edit.

Who else did he have to depend on who was saying something different? At the time, he had no clue all the crap Fauci was pulling.

And even if he had listened to others who were bold enough to disagree with the premise of the lab leak, that wouldn't have mattered. It was the response that mattered, and at the time, the vaccine looked like a miracle. All the crap Fauci was pulling behind the scenes was unknown to almost everybody.

Bull. There were plenty of dissenting voices at that time. Including mine, and I know virtually nothing.

There were debates over the “Sweden” model. There were statements of outrage regarding “two weeks to flatten the curve” becoming indefinitely extended. There were plenty, including in gov’t, making lots of noise about the lab-leak origin of covid.

Yet PRESIDENT Trump ignored all of them.

Trump believed the lab leak. But what was anybody going to do about it at the time? That wasn't the crisis. The crisis was we needed a solution to the virus. I think Trump did what any reasonable person would do, fast-track a vaccine.

All that other stuff was just smoke around the real issue of getting a long term solution. As it turns out, the vaccine was BS, but no damn body knew THAT at the time.

And all this other stuff about Fauci came out after Trump was out of office.

there's a difference between "knowing" and knowing bs when you see it...

and no, not any reasonable person should ever pine for 'fast tracking a vax' ... that goes against any common sense approach to a problem like this ... however, it was the path of least political resistance to tout such ... that's where/why he screwed the pooch on trusting Fraudci ... his better move was to call upon experts in the field to help him develop a long term plan/solution w/o shutting down the friggin' economy...

it's all in the board archives if you want to dig it up...

(03-09-2023 08:05 AM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  AM's TDS is strong as always. The reasonableness of his character is very often overshadowed but it.

Fauci was there long before Trump and if Trump had fired him the political repercussions for him would have been massive, which was, of course, always Trump's top priority.

Please tell me AM that your well being, political or otherwise, is not YOUR top priority.

I am no Trump fan either, but this covid BS was not on him.

#fireFraudci ... yeah, nuts zongo came with that right out of the gate, too....

(03-09-2023 07:37 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(03-09-2023 07:23 AM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  

(03-08-2023 08:26 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(03-08-2023 06:48 PM)Bronco14 Wrote:  

(03-08-2023 06:43 PM)natibeast2.0 Wrote:  From the start, I was on the train of lockdowns themselves will likely cause more deaths and harm than the virus itself. It’s hard to quantify that but it’s become a more mainstream thought on just how bad locking down people was and the impact will last long into the future in every facet of peoples lives.
The “pandemic” handling was a failure on all fronts. Unlike the doc above I doing think those in charge had the best interest of people in decision making granted he only noted that in regards to gain of function.

Fauci ran the country for a year. Trump s/h fired his ass at least June of that year.

The problem was that all Trump had to rely on was bureaucrats like Fauci. The USA has no emergency response agency. FEMA isn't. NIH, CDC, and FDA aren't. There is no capacity to deal with something like COVID.

The bolded sentence is, at least to my recollection, flat-out incorrect.

There was not an single, unified narrative on the covid response until the moron Trump anointed Fauci and Birx to become the first, middle and last word on the subject:

—> Bronco14’s concern about covid being used to introduce mail-in ballots to the 2020 election is not an after-the-fact, hindsight comment. Many, and not just on this board, were warning of that reality in real time. Yet DJT was too arrogant, too susceptible to the mealy-mouthed flattery from Fauci and Birx and too fond of all of the repetitive “I Love Me” rallies he was treating himself to in front of his already committed supporters.

—> natibeast’s recognition of the dangers of lockdowns was not a solitary voice. LOTS of people were staying the same thing in real time. Yet Trump allowed those voices to be shut down as “science deniers”, even though the only science that his infinitesimal attention span considered was what was fed to him by Fauci.

—> We on this board, and on countless similar forums, had countless debates over herd immunity, over the constantly changing mask requirements, over the criminally selfish behavior of the teachers’ unions, etc. None of those open debates among the populace were ever given ANY credence by the Trump administration. He was having way too much enjoyment preening in front of press conferences, while his control of our nation’s response was handed over to a wormy little criminal like Fauci.

Now, three years later, the only mystery to me is why ANYONE is not equally furious about what Donald Trump allowed to happen to our nation on his watch.

You're blaming Trump instead of Fauci? Really?

Trump didn't fund gain-of-function research.. Trump didn't try to cover up the lab leak. Trump didn't shut down differing opinions. Trump didn't manufacture false studies. Trump didn't pay off researchers to back his animal theory and dis the lab leak theory. Fauci did.

I understand you hate Trump, but...

Lockdowns were a state by state issue. We all know how poorly Cali’s were causing a legit migration out of the state. My state of Ohio was in the middle and a lot of people didn’t listen but bars, restaurants, churches, etc. were shut down type of thing. I went to Florida for 12 days in November of the initial year and it was as if Covid wasn’t a thing in Tampa/Sarasota/Siesta Key area. Everything was open and packed. I remember the first day me and my buds walking into a restaurant/bar and we had mask on out of courtesy for others and some older folk at a table in the front going rip that **** off if y’all want. Haha we didn’t wear them the rest of the trip.

Here’s my thoughts regarding Trump on the issue:
- The citizens wanted a vax/jab ASAP which he enacted policies to get one as quickly as possible. He always made it known it was your choice to get it or not. Good with that he gave both sides on that issue what they wanted.

- The money printing (at least for a single person with my income) did not need $1200 checks or whatever they were. They should have been for those laid off, under a certain income which varies dependent on single or dependents. Hated that and think it boosted inflation. Biden did the same thing though.

- He was not for lockdowns. Unfortunately governors have their own say state by state which is the way it should be but a bunch of them were donk brains or were well aware this was their one chance to get Trump out of office a la mail in.

- Trump was caught in the middle of doing what he thought was right and the “experts” opinion and was too focused on 2020 election.

By the way AM, accusing people of loving Trump just because they don't hate him like you do is VERY disingenuous.

(03-09-2023 08:13 AM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  By the way AM, accusing people of loving Trump just because they don't hate him like you do is VERY disingenuous.

he and tanq are quite passionate in their hatred that is DJT ... hell, I wouldn't buy the guy a beer if we we're at da bah ... however, I don't have to like one to appreciate developing a superior strategy vs. the political status quo ... the sum is always > individual

it's why #henceDJT --->>> #DJTexperiment was necessary ... now we really know what the masses are up against...

(03-09-2023 08:13 AM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  By the way AM, accusing people of loving Trump just because they don't hate him like you do is VERY disingenuous.

It was in response to TripleA’s dismissive response stating (or maybe just implying) that my points are invalid because I hate Trump.

Much as I dislike (not hate) him, I voted for him in 2022.

(03-09-2023 08:25 AM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  

(03-09-2023 08:13 AM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  By the way AM, accusing people of loving Trump just because they don't hate him like you do is VERY disingenuous.

It was in response to TripleA’s dismissive response stating (or maybe just implying) that my points are invalid because I hate Trump.

Much as I dislike (not hate) him, I voted for him in 2022.

I have little use for him either, but also voted for him in '22. Not only was I WAY better off financially than before his administration, voting for Biden felt like voting for Satan.

Plus watching Trump make leftist's heads explode was always HIGHLY entertaining.

Sadly, this is a heavy workday for me. So I cannot play tanq’s role of hitting back every volley sent my way.

Let me just say, if you cannot see Trump’s utter failure on covid, then you really have little basis for criticizing ANY other public figure for their wrong choices over the past several years.

He was between a rock and a hard place. He had no political cover. The media would have crucified him if he didn’t go along.

B.S!!!!! He was the PRESIDENT. He asked for the job. He said that he was not beholden to others.

He completely failed us.

(03-09-2023 08:30 AM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  

(03-09-2023 08:25 AM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  

(03-09-2023 08:13 AM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  By the way AM, accusing people of loving Trump just because they don't hate him like you do is VERY disingenuous.

It was in response to TripleA’s dismissive response stating (or maybe just implying) that my points are invalid because I hate Trump.

Much as I dislike (not hate) him, I voted for him in 2022.

I have little use for him either, but also voted for him in '22. Not only was I WAY better off financially than before his administration, voting for Biden felt like voting for Satan.

Plus watching Trump make leftist's heads explode was always HIGHLY entertaining.

Correction: 2020, not 2022. For both of us.

Our entire government failed us, hardly just Trump.

And PLEASE never compare yourself to that buffoon tanq. You're (mostly) ok AM.

(03-09-2023 08:32 AM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  Sadly, this is a heavy workday for me. So I cannot play tanq’s role of hitting back every volley sent my way.

Let me just say, if you cannot see Trump’s utter failure on covid, then you really have little basis for criticizing ANY other public figure for their wrong choices over the past several years.

He was between a rock and a hard place. He had no political cover. The media would have crucified him if he didn’t go along.

B.S!!!!! He was the PRESIDENT. He asked for the job. He said that he was not beholden to others.

He completely failed us.

lol ... you're right ... it IS time to go hit the field ...

I'm not arguing that Trump didn't fail us, he most certainly did as far as covid. I'm just saying it was a massive failure all the way around AND Fauci should be hanging from an oak tree.