Quote:A stunning report in Wednesday’s Washington Post details the tensions between FBI agents and Justice Department attorneys over the August raid of former President Donald Trump’s Mar-a-Lago Florida home.

FBI officials were leery of the plan, and pleaded for a more measured approach, while DOJ prosecutors were hell-bent on a surprise incursion to search for classified documents:

Prosecutors argued that new evidence suggested Trump was knowingly concealing secret documents at his Palm Beach, Fla., home and urged the FBI to conduct a surprise raid at the property. But two senior FBI officials who would be in charge of leading the search resisted the plan as too combative and proposed instead to seek Trump’s permission to search his property, according to the four people, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to describe a sensitive investigation.

Conservatives were infuriated by the raid, arguing that it showed just how politically biased Attorney General Merrick Garland’s Justice Department had become. At least some top FBI officials apparently agreed.

In the end, the DOJ prevailed and Garland “personally approved” the August 8. 2022 raid where agents recovered over 100 classified documents. The question remains, however—was there a better way to get them back from Trump? FBI agents thought so:

On one side, federal prosecutors in the department’s national security division advocated aggressive ways to secure some of the country’s most closely guarded secrets, which they feared Trump was intentionally hiding at Mar-a-Lago; on the other, FBI agents in the Washington field office urged more caution with such a high-profile matter, recommending they take a cooperative rather than confrontational approach.

Interestingly, this story comes the day after FBI Director Christopher Wray admitted that his agency thinks the COVID virus came from the Wuhan lab:

While this is a solid report from the leftist WaPo, they couldn’t resist getting in a little dig at those who have questioned the Justice Department:

The FBI agents’ caution also was rooted in the fact that mistakes in prior probes of Hillary Clinton and Trump had proved damaging to the FBI, and the cases subjected the bureau to sustained public attacks from partisans, the people said. [Emphasis mine.]

What nonsense. The FBI was criticized by both sides during those debacles—Hillary almost had a coronary in 2016 over then-FBI Director James Comey’s handling of her illegal server which contained classified information. Yet her home was never raided, and she never faced charges. It doesn’t take a partisan to point out that there seem to be two systems of justice at play here.

The tensions between prosecutors and FBI agents simmered all summer and came to a head in a meeting about a week before the raid

Steven M. D’Antuono, then the head of the FBI Washington field office, which was running the investigation, was adamant the FBI should not do a surprise search, according to the people.

D’Antuono said he would agree to lead such a raid only if he were ordered to, according to two of the people.

But Jay Bratt, the prosecutor leading the department’s counterespionage work, wasn’t swayed:

Tempers ran high in the meeting. Bratt raised his voice at times and stressed to the FBI agents that the time for trusting Trump and his lawyer was over, some of the people said.

As we all know, the FBI’s concerns fell on deaf ears, and the raid went ahead as planned. The fact that there was such internal division within the DOJ shows that the surprise offensive was always politicized and heavy-handed. Merrick Garland has repeatedly shown in his term that he values politics over justice, and he will continue to act that way till he’s called to account.

Happily, he’s facing the music Wednesday

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oh yippee ... blame one to save face...

fk 'em all...

this show is past the point of lunacy for nuts zongo to give two fks anymore...

y'all have at it...

fk this bs...

Gin drinker loses on merit again.

More of the “tell us what we don’t know” BS…. actions they denied for months / years and now admit are true.

All being leaked now to turn everyone’s attention away from Hunter’s Laptop and Joe’s War in the Ukraine. (How long before we find out our unconditional support of Ukraine is being done because they have evidence our president and Congress ( both parties) don’t want released.)

The Washington Elites are using Ukraine to wash their money and it’s going to be the American people who going to be left paying the bill with our tax dollars and most certainly our blood in the near future.

some day Tanq will realize his TDS put him on the wrong side of this......

(03-01-2023 06:07 PM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  Gin drinker loses on merit again.

But,but it's the DOJ

(03-01-2023 06:46 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  some day Tanq will realize his TDS put him on the wrong side of this......

That mofo has waaaay more than TDS issues

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(03-01-2023 06:46 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  some day Tanq will realize his TDS put him on the wrong side of this......

He will be along shortly and tell us how wrong we are and we just don't understand.

(03-01-2023 06:46 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  some day Tanq will realize his TDS put him on the wrong side of this......

Tanq is among the smartest posters on this sight. He fully realizes how wrong this was at every level: starting with the sniveling archives functionaries, to the corrupt prosecutors in the Garland D.o.J., to the D.C.-based hit squad in the Wray FBI, to the rubber-stamp “judge” more than happy to sign off on a politically motivated warrant, to the lickspittle national media running interference regarding the whole mess.

Realizing he has been wrong is not the issue. Admitting it is something entirely different.

(03-01-2023 07:05 PM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  

(03-01-2023 06:46 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  some day Tanq will realize his TDS put him on the wrong side of this......

Tanq is among the smartest posters on this sight. He fully realizes how wrong this was at every level: starting with the sniveling archives functionaries, to the corrupt prosecutors in the Garland D.o.J., to the D.C.-based hit squad in the Wray FBI, to the rubber-stamp “judge” more than happy to sign off on a politically motivated warrant, to the lickspittle national media running interference regarding the whole mess.

Realizing he has been wrong is not the issue. Admitting it is something entirely different.

It wouldn't surprise me to see one day where the left demonizes twelve step programs as racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic, islamophobic, transphobic, etc.

(03-01-2023 06:46 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  some day Tanq will realize his TDS put him on the wrong side of this......

No he won't.

(03-01-2023 06:46 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  some day Tanq will realize his TDS put him on the wrong side of this......

I don't know. TDS seems to cause permanent brain damage.

I haven't seen anyone recovered. Just with milder symptoms.

(03-01-2023 05:51 PM)CrimsonPhantom Wrote:  

Quote:A stunning report in Wednesday’s Washington Post details the tensions between FBI agents and Justice Department attorneys over the August raid of former President Donald Trump’s Mar-a-Lago Florida home.

FBI officials were leery of the plan, and pleaded for a more measured approach, while DOJ prosecutors were hell-bent on a surprise incursion to search for classified documents:

Prosecutors argued that new evidence suggested Trump was knowingly concealing secret documents at his Palm Beach, Fla., home and urged the FBI to conduct a surprise raid at the property. But two senior FBI officials who would be in charge of leading the search resisted the plan as too combative and proposed instead to seek Trump’s permission to search his property, according to the four people, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to describe a sensitive investigation.

Conservatives were infuriated by the raid, arguing that it showed just how politically biased Attorney General Merrick Garland’s Justice Department had become. At least some top FBI officials apparently agreed.

In the end, the DOJ prevailed and Garland “personally approved” the August 8. 2022 raid where agents recovered over 100 classified documents. The question remains, however—was there a better way to get them back from Trump? FBI agents thought so:

On one side, federal prosecutors in the department’s national security division advocated aggressive ways to secure some of the country’s most closely guarded secrets, which they feared Trump was intentionally hiding at Mar-a-Lago; on the other, FBI agents in the Washington field office urged more caution with such a high-profile matter, recommending they take a cooperative rather than confrontational approach.

Interestingly, this story comes the day after FBI Director Christopher Wray admitted that his agency thinks the COVID virus came from the Wuhan lab:

While this is a solid report from the leftist WaPo, they couldn’t resist getting in a little dig at those who have questioned the Justice Department:

The FBI agents’ caution also was rooted in the fact that mistakes in prior probes of Hillary Clinton and Trump had proved damaging to the FBI, and the cases subjected the bureau to sustained public attacks from partisans, the people said. [Emphasis mine.]

What nonsense. The FBI was criticized by both sides during those debacles—Hillary almost had a coronary in 2016 over then-FBI Director James Comey’s handling of her illegal server which contained classified information. Yet her home was never raided, and she never faced charges. It doesn’t take a partisan to point out that there seem to be two systems of justice at play here.

The tensions between prosecutors and FBI agents simmered all summer and came to a head in a meeting about a week before the raid

Steven M. D’Antuono, then the head of the FBI Washington field office, which was running the investigation, was adamant the FBI should not do a surprise search, according to the people.

D’Antuono said he would agree to lead such a raid only if he were ordered to, according to two of the people.

But Jay Bratt, the prosecutor leading the department’s counterespionage work, wasn’t swayed:

Tempers ran high in the meeting. Bratt raised his voice at times and stressed to the FBI agents that the time for trusting Trump and his lawyer was over, some of the people said.

As we all know, the FBI’s concerns fell on deaf ears, and the raid went ahead as planned. The fact that there was such internal division within the DOJ shows that the surprise offensive was always politicized and heavy-handed. Merrick Garland has repeatedly shown in his term that he values politics over justice, and he will continue to act that way till he’s called to account.

Happily, he’s facing the music Wednesday

Link

Too late for the FBI to "save their reputation". That said---the long journey back from the dark side starts with a single step.

(03-01-2023 09:26 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(03-01-2023 06:46 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  some day Tanq will realize his TDS put him on the wrong side of this......

I don't know. TDS seems to cause permanent brain damage.

I haven't seen anyone recovered. Just with milder symptoms.

I laughed

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(03-01-2023 07:05 PM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  

(03-01-2023 06:46 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  some day Tanq will realize his TDS put him on the wrong side of this......

Tanq is among the smartest posters on this sight. He fully realizes how wrong this was at every level: starting with the sniveling archives functionaries, to the corrupt prosecutors in the Garland D.o.J., to the D.C.-based hit squad in the Wray FBI, to the rubber-stamp “judge” more than happy to sign off on a politically motivated warrant, to the lickspittle national media running interference regarding the whole mess.

Realizing he has been wrong is not the issue. Admitting it is something entirely different.

Stupid smart people are the most dangerous.

(03-01-2023 06:58 PM)maximus Wrote:  

(03-01-2023 06:46 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  some day Tanq will realize his TDS put him on the wrong side of this......

That mofo has waaaay more than TDS issues

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Yeah he does, bordering on unhinged. There are times he seems rational enough and then he acts like he's been drinking and all that pent up aggression comes pouring out in some rant or another.

(03-01-2023 11:19 PM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  

(03-01-2023 07:05 PM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  

(03-01-2023 06:46 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  some day Tanq will realize his TDS put him on the wrong side of this......

Tanq is among the smartest posters on this sight. He fully realizes how wrong this was at every level: starting with the sniveling archives functionaries, to the corrupt prosecutors in the Garland D.o.J., to the D.C.-based hit squad in the Wray FBI, to the rubber-stamp “judge” more than happy to sign off on a politically motivated warrant, to the lickspittle national media running interference regarding the whole mess.

Realizing he has been wrong is not the issue. Admitting it is something entirely different.

Stupid smart people are the most dangerous.

Post of the year so far.

He (Tanq) may or may not, but I will.... and note that although I know him personally and have for decades... we are at polar opposites on a few significant issues... particularly when it comes to Trump.... and the following is my impression only... nothing he has said nor agreed with.

Tanq is absolutely a gentleman and he doesn't tolerate liars and cheats... and long before he ran for President, Tanq had fairly close action (in a bad way) with Trump and his organization. He wants 'our side' to be better than this... apparently even if it puts us at a disadvantage. I disagree, but I understand his position and I wish it were possible. That's not failing to admit it... its simply using a personal moral compass rather than a negotiated one.

He is an extremely intelligent and informed individual and a conservative... but he is an old-school Texas gentleman... and not remotely a liberal democrat like some of you seem to feel.... and I think this forum is well served by not being an echo chamber. We don't have enough reasonable liberals to strike a match in here... so a conservative with a very different viewpoint can still add some value and perspective...

JMO

(03-02-2023 09:55 AM)Hambone10 Wrote:  He (Tanq) may or may not, but I will.... and note that although I know him personally and have for decades... we are at polar opposites on a few significant issues... particularly when it comes to Trump.... and the following is my impression only... nothing he has said nor agreed with.

Tanq is absolutely a gentleman and he doesn't tolerate liars and cheats... and long before he ran for President, Tanq had fairly close action (in a bad way) with Trump and his organization. He wants 'our side' to be better than this... apparently even if it puts us at a disadvantage. I disagree, but I understand his position and I wish it were possible. That's not failing to admit it... its simply using a personal moral compass rather than a negotiated one.

He is an extremely intelligent and informed individual and a conservative... but he is an old-school Texas gentleman... and not remotely a liberal democrat like some of you seem to feel.... and I think this forum is well served by not being an echo chamber. We don't have enough reasonable liberals to strike a match in here... so a conservative with a very different viewpoint can still add some value and perspective...

JMO

The feel I get from Tanq is he likes to look for an argument and will argue from sun up to sun down to scratch that itch. No matter the subject.

(03-02-2023 10:07 AM)gdunn Wrote:  

(03-02-2023 09:55 AM)Hambone10 Wrote:  He (Tanq) may or may not, but I will.... and note that although I know him personally and have for decades... we are at polar opposites on a few significant issues... particularly when it comes to Trump.... and the following is my impression only... nothing he has said nor agreed with.

Tanq is absolutely a gentleman and he doesn't tolerate liars and cheats... and long before he ran for President, Tanq had fairly close action (in a bad way) with Trump and his organization. He wants 'our side' to be better than this... apparently even if it puts us at a disadvantage. I disagree, but I understand his position and I wish it were possible. That's not failing to admit it... its simply using a personal moral compass rather than a negotiated one.

He is an extremely intelligent and informed individual and a conservative... but he is an old-school Texas gentleman... and not remotely a liberal democrat like some of you seem to feel.... and I think this forum is well served by not being an echo chamber. We don't have enough reasonable liberals to strike a match in here... so a conservative with a very different viewpoint can still add some value and perspective...

JMO

The feel I get from Tanq is he likes to look for an argument and will argue from sun up to sun down to scratch that itch. No matter the subject.

And he will give you a 10,000 word reply to something you didn't say just so he can fire whatever bullet he has in the chamber.