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John Bolton who was National Security Advisor ******* hates trump and he's stated very explicitly and publicly this is all BS. Never happened.

The reporters with this "unnamed DoD source" need to be subpoenas for their source and held in contempt if they don't give it up in a sealed document under the NSA.

This crap has to end.
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(02-05-2023 01:57 PM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  Biden lies about EVERYTHING. Posting this thread is like 3rd grade level trolling.

Wish that’s all it was but this ignorant lass believes it. Just as the liars know 50% will just because the liberal overlords tell them it happened. Then they will go straight to the TRUMP’S A LIAR bullchit.
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(02-05-2023 03:29 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  John Bolton who was National Security Advisor ******* hates trump and he's stated very explicitly and publicly this is all BS. Never happened.

The reporters with this "unnamed DoD source" need to be subpoenas for their source and held in contempt if they don't give it up in a sealed document under the NSA.

This crap has to end.

It will not end until idiots quit believing it. So yeah, it will never end.
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(02-05-2023 03:35 PM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  
(02-05-2023 03:29 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  John Bolton who was National Security Advisor ******* hates trump and he's stated very explicitly and publicly this is all BS. Never happened.

The reporters with this "unnamed DoD source" need to be subpoenas for their source and held in contempt if they don't give it up in a sealed document under the NSA.

This crap has to end.

It will not end until idiots quit believing it. So yeah, it will never end.
Does it really matter? Both sides lie through their teeth. Why should a President pay for the transgressions of our enemies?
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There Are Big Problems With Biden Team's Evolving Story About Prior Chinese Balloons


Quote:There’s a principle I may have mentioned before regarding smears about President Donald Trump.

It’s the 48-hour rule. Before you buy into whatever it is, wait 48 hours, because sure as God made little green apples, it starts to fall apart in the period.

The report began spreading on Saturday that supposedly Chinese balloons had incurred into American airspace three times during the Trump Administration. Now, this report came right as Joe Biden was getting a lot of backlash for being slow to react and it came without any real details, allegedly from an unnamed Biden defense official. But there were no details apart from that none of the incursions were on the order of magnitude of the one this week in terms of length of time over U.S. territory. As we reported, the Trump team including President Donald Trump quickly shot the report down.

Now there are more details of this story. According to a “senior administration official,” it’s apparently “U.S. intelligence, not the Biden administration” assessing that “PRC government surveillance balloons transited the continental U.S. briefly at least three times during the prior administration and once that we know of at the beginning of this administration, but never for this duration of time.”

The official said this is “part of a larger pattern.”

“These balloons are all part of a PRC fleet of balloons developed to conduct surveillance operations, which have also violated the sovereignty of other countries,” the official explained, adding that these activities are “often undertaken at the direction of the People’s Liberation Army.”

The official said that over the past several years, Chinese balloons have been spotted over countries across five continents, including in East Asia, South Asia, and Europe.

“Two things can be true at once: this happened and it wasn’t detected,” the official told Fox News Digital.

The prior incident under Biden happened about four months ago, when the balloon crashed near Hawaii, according to officials.

Now, let’s start with the fact that if the balloons weren’t detected, then how could one respond? If the story is true, that would seem to absolve the Trump team and explain why none of them heard of it.

Then that raises another question: how could they not be detected? Our military systems are supposed to pick stuff like that up and if they aren’t that raises even more questions. That could pose a danger to our national security if they’re able to just enter our airspace without detection. It would mean there’s a serious hole in our detection defense.

But the story has “evolved” — we heard it from the “unnamed senior official.” Now a “senior official” is claiming this came from “U.S. intelligence.” Were these the same 51 former IC officials who told us Hunter Biden’s laptop was Russian disinformation? But seriously, upon what are they basing this assessment? If the military didn’t detect it before, how are these IC folks “detecting” it now? Upon what are they basing their assessments? Are they claiming the military can’t pick up a slow-moving balloon?

The number of people saying they never heard of such a thing now has more people — virtually every major Trump person said they were never apprised of such a thing. I reported on Trump, Secretary of Defense Mark Esper, and National Security Adviser John Bolton.

Add to that the intelligence people, two former Directors of National Intelligence Ric Grenell and John Ratcliffe.

Former acting Director of National Intelligence Ric Grenell, who led the intelligence community at the onset of COVID, told Fox News Digital that he did “one of the biggest intelligence deep dives on China, their spying and the origins of COVID” during his tenure.

“It never came up,” he said. “If a balloon had come up, we would have known. Someone in the intelligence community would have known, and it would have bubbled up to me to brief the president.”

And former Director of National Intelligence John Ratcliffe, who lead ODNI after Grenell and through the end of the Trump administration, also refuted the claim.

“It’s not true. I can refute it,” Ratcliffe said on “Sunday Morning Futures.” “The American people can refute it for themselves. Do you remember during the Trump administration, when photographers on the ground and commercial airline pilots were talking about a spy balloon over the United States that people could look up and see, even with the naked eye, and that a media that hated Donald Trump wasn’t reporting?”

He added: “I don’t remember that either, because it didn’t happen.”

Add to that National Security Adviser Robert O’Brien, Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense for East Asia Heino Klinck, and acting Defense Secretary Chris Miller, who had previously served as director of the National Counterterrorism Center.

So if the former intel people are saying they were not told, how are these alleged “IC people” making this judgment now?

So I think it’s safe to say something in this story smells, but members of Congress need to pursue what’s going on here, is there a real danger that is not being detected or is it just the Biden team trying to gaslight us all again?
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(02-05-2023 03:39 PM)Mr_XcentricK Wrote:  
(02-05-2023 03:35 PM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  
(02-05-2023 03:29 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  John Bolton who was National Security Advisor ******* hates trump and he's stated very explicitly and publicly this is all BS. Never happened.

The reporters with this "unnamed DoD source" need to be subpoenas for their source and held in contempt if they don't give it up in a sealed document under the NSA.

This crap has to end.

It will not end until idiots quit believing it. So yeah, it will never end.
Does it really matter? Both sides lie through their teeth. Why should a President pay for the transgressions of our enemies?

A strong America first president gains respect and honor by thwarting the aggression of our enemies. It’s really that simple.
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(02-05-2023 03:27 PM)Mr_XcentricK Wrote:  We may have the most technologically advanced / deadliest military on the planet but it does not make us immune to “obsolete” technologies. Enemies that have been successful in attacking us have do so with technology and/or strategies our advanced defense systems are not designed to protect against. This was not a failure of the current or former President. This was a failure of our intelligence and defense systems

Not really. Our military was well aware of the balloon long before it entered our air space and we have the ability to destroy it anytime we wish. Furthermore----it appears likely we also have the ability to neutralize it using an electronic warfare suite. Frankly, I dont see it as a good look for either nation. It kinda makes China look like a technological joke having to resort to Palestinian level technology to try to get a decent picture of US installations---where as we would just use a satellite. On the other hand---we look kinda weak for tolerating the obvious intrusion into our skies.
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If those balloons went undetected, as mentioned in several articles, then how is it known now? And what does "briefly" traversed the continental US even mean? The Florida keys? With all the reports we get of strange sightings in the sky, if any balloon had traversed any measurable area of the country during the previous admin then someone would have reported it. And if it had been reported by intelligence, I'm sure some of the previous officials (Bolton) wouldn't hesitate to speak up. After the public reaction over this embarrassment the Biden admin is as usual trying to deflect as much as he can to the usual target. It's nauseating.

But, but Trump...

We're heading in a bad direction, the clock is winding and imbeciles on all sides are in charge. Tighten your seatbelts.
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House Oversight should send a subpoena to those journalists tomorrow. Have them show up and assert a right. Or fail to show and file criminal charges for obstruction.

Get to the bottom of who tells them to run with these unnamed sources propaganda pieces that are only in the news cycle for 48 hours for a reason.
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Sounds like the Biden*administration is backpeddling hard on the Trump balloon statement. Now they are saying they didnt know the balloons had flew over the US until Trump was out of office.

Dudes just keep digging that hole.

Republicans in the house should subpoena them and ask them to explain what the hell they are talking about under oath.
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(02-05-2023 07:19 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  Sounds like the Biden*administration is backpeddling hard on the Trump balloon statement. Now they are saying they didnt know the balloons had flew over the US until Trump was out of office.

Dudes just keep digging that hole.

Republicans in the house should subpoena them and ask them to explain what the hell they are talking about under oath.

Quote:On Sunday, however, one senior administration official told the outlet that “U.S. intelligence, not the Biden administration” assesses that “PRC government surveillance balloons transited the continental U.S. briefly at least three times during the prior administration and once that we know of at the beginning of this administration, but never for this duration of time.”

They added that “this information was discovered after the [Trump] administration left,” and that the balloons “went undetected,” explaining that the surveillance balloons are believed to be “part of a larger pattern.”

“These balloons are all part of a PRC fleet of balloons developed to conduct surveillance operations, which have also violated the sovereignty of other countries,” the official explained, adding that these activities are “often undertaken at the direction of the People’s Liberation Army.”

“Two things can be true at once: this happened and it wasn’t detected,” the official said.

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Given their track record, I wouldn't believe any "intelligence official" on anything. Citing them as a source says to me that you have not been paying attention.
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(02-05-2023 07:24 PM)CrimsonPhantom Wrote:  
(02-05-2023 07:19 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  Sounds like the Biden*administration is backpeddling hard on the Trump balloon statement. Now they are saying they didnt know the balloons had flew over the US until Trump was out of office.

Dudes just keep digging that hole.

Republicans in the house should subpoena them and ask them to explain what the hell they are talking about under oath.

Quote:On Sunday, however, one senior administration official told the outlet that “U.S. intelligence, not the Biden administration” assesses that “PRC government surveillance balloons transited the continental U.S. briefly at least three times during the prior administration and once that we know of at the beginning of this administration, but never for this duration of time.”

They added that “this information was discovered after the [Trump] administration left,” and that the balloons “went undetected,” explaining that the surveillance balloons are believed to be “part of a larger pattern.”

“These balloons are all part of a PRC fleet of balloons developed to conduct surveillance operations, which have also violated the sovereignty of other countries,” the official explained, adding that these activities are “often undertaken at the direction of the People’s Liberation Army.”

“Two things can be true at once: this happened and it wasn’t detected,” the official said.

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so their source is James Clapper?
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(02-05-2023 03:27 PM)Mr_XcentricK Wrote:  We may have the most technologically advanced / deadliest military on the planet but it does not make us immune to “obsolete” technologies. Enemies that have been successful in attacking us have do so with technology and/or strategies our advanced defense systems are not designed to protect against. This was not a failure of the current or former President. This was a failure of our intelligence and defense systems

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(02-05-2023 03:29 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  John Bolton who was National Security Advisor ******* hates trump and he's stated very explicitly and publicly this is all BS. Never happened.

The reporters with this "unnamed DoD source" need to be subpoenas for their source and held in contempt if they don't give it up in a sealed document under the NSA.

This crap has to end.

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(02-05-2023 12:16 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  The president with the highest IQ ever recorded claims that the reports that Chinese spy balloons traversed US airspace at least three times during his administration are all false. He claims if any balloon would have appeared he would have "immediately shot it down".... probably by him using a big and beautiful gun. But to the point, someone is lying here. The current administration or the Orange Rambo.

https://www.businessinsider.com/conserva...ump-2023-2

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(02-05-2023 08:01 PM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  
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(02-05-2023 08:21 PM)b2b Wrote:  
(02-05-2023 08:01 PM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  
(02-05-2023 03:18 PM)maximus Wrote:  
(02-05-2023 01:57 PM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  Biden lies about EVERYTHING. Posting this thread is like 3rd grade level trolling.
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