The president with the highest IQ ever recorded claims that the reports that Chinese spy balloons traversed US airspace at least three times during his administration are all false. He claims if any balloon would have appeared he would have "immediately shot it down".... probably by him using a big and beautiful gun. But to the point, someone is lying here. The current administration or the Orange Rambo.
(02-05-2023 12:16 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote: The president with the highest IQ ever recorded claims that the reports that Chinese spy balloons traversed US airspace at least three times during his administration are all false. He claims if any balloon would have appeared he would have "immediately shot it down".... probably by him using a big and beautiful gun. But to the point, someone is lying here. The current administration or the Orange Rambo.
Well---given that the Biden Administration story has already changed just since the balloon story erupted (originally, the information given was that the military wanted to shoot it down and Biden said no)---Im guessing the Trump stuff is either entirely false or seriously misleading (ie---the balloons traversed some US territory somewhere but never entered the continental US).
(This post was last modified: 02-05-2023 12:26 PM by Attackcoog.)
Well, seeing as we were first alerted to the existence of this balloon by civilians, if there had been 3 here during Trump admin I assume they would have made the news unless they just briefly touched northern Alaska or something.
Quote:Joe Biden has been getting a lot of backlash for taking so long to react to the Chinese spy balloon floating over our military installations and letting it traverse our country for a week.
As I noted there are some questions about the timeline that they have given. The balloon entered our airspace over Alaskan waters on Jan. 28 but White House Press Secretary Karine Jean-Pierre claimed that Biden was “briefed on Tuesday” [Jan. 31]. So they didn’t react until it was already over the continental United States, re-entering from Canada around Idaho on Jan. 31. That certainly needs to be answered more fully as to why it even took that long to seemingly have any reaction at all.
But now, seemingly in reaction to the criticism of Biden from those on the right, there’s a report from an unnamed Pentagon official who claims that three balloons made it into U.S. airspace during the Trump years. There’s also a report of another one entering during Biden’s time. But none of those were comparable for how long this balloon was over the U.S.
Now there are problems with this: unnamed source, no description of alleged “incursions” where or how long, or anything like that. Plus nothing was as long or as obvious as the incursion this week.
Those claims are being seriously shot down by the Trump team including President Donald Trump and multiple Trump officials.
Trump’s Secretary of Defense Mark Esper says that he was “surprised” by such a report. He said he was never told about any Chinese spy balloons when he was secretary between July 2019 and November 2020, “I don’t ever recall somebody coming into my office or reading anything that the Chinese had a surveillance balloon above the United States.” “I would remember that for sure,” Esper said.
Former National Security Adviser John Bolton (who would sell Trump down the river in a red hot minute if he could) said it didn’t happen, he had never heard of any such thing under his tenure.
“I don’t know of any balloon flights by any power over the United States during my tenure, and I’d never heard of any of that occurring before I joined in 2018,” Bolton said. “I haven’t heard of anything that occurred after I left either.”
Bolton said that if the Biden administration has “specific examples, they need to tell Congress.”
Trump scotched the rumor completely and hit back at the Biden team for disinformation.
“This never happened. It would have never happened,” Trump told Fox News Digital on Sunday morning, adding that Beijing “respected us greatly” under his leadership.
“It never happened with us under the Trump administration and if it did, we would have shot it down immediately,” Trump said. “It’s disinformation.”
Trump said the Biden administration is spreading this because “they look so bad, as usual.”
“They are incompetent,” he said.
If this is seriously being put out there to try to cover for Biden, not only is that shameful but once again, it shows more problems in departments and agencies that should be objective — not just places like the FBI, but the Pentagon as well. Moreover, if this had happened under Trump, I’m betting it would have been leaked long before now to attack him if he was at all weak on the subject. But now we’re back to the “unnamed sources” trying to smear Trump to help Biden.
That sounds pretty accurate. If there really were Chinese Spy Balloons over the US during the Trump years---that would have been as embarrassing for Trump as it was for Biden----which means it would have leaked and it would have been used by Democrats to score political points in an instant. I mean--its not like it would be hard to get a lefty news crew to start filming a balloon crossing the continental US so CNN can use pictures of the "Trump balloon security failure" while they track its progress in the corner of their screen all day. The fact there was no such coverage or attacks from Congress over "balloon intrusions" tells me there was no such balloon incidents during the Trump Administration. Add in that Trump and Trump Administration folks are publicly denying such claims on the record tells me this is the type of typical "unnamed source" false claim that generates most of the unreliable content that has made the term "fake news" stick in the American lexicon.
(This post was last modified: 02-05-2023 02:05 PM by Attackcoog.)
(02-05-2023 12:37 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote: Not MAGAt approved.
(**Provides real point by point rebuttals along with actual details**)
The Department of Defense corroborates everything this guy says including Biden's initial order Wednesday to shoot down the balloon *and* the fact that Chinese spy balloons violated US territory at least three times under Trump. That last statement from the Department of Defense comes around the 11th or 12th paragraph for those of you too lazy to read the whole thing..... aka most of you.
(02-05-2023 12:16 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote: The president with the highest IQ ever recorded claims that the reports that Chinese spy balloons traversed US airspace at least three times during his administration are all false. He claims if any balloon would have appeared he would have "immediately shot it down".... probably by him using a big and beautiful gun. But to the point, someone is lying here. The current administration or the Orange Rambo.
Well---given that the Biden Administration story has already changed just since the balloon story erupted (originally, the information given was that the military wanted to shoot it down and Biden said no)---Im guessing the Trump stuff is either entirely false or seriously misleading (ie---the balloons traversed some US territory somewhere but never entered the continental US).
Well according to Obama, those territories are actually states. After all, there are 57 states in the US.
(02-05-2023 12:37 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote: Not MAGAt approved.
(**Provides real point by point rebuttals along with actual details**)
The Department of Defense corroborates everything this guy says including Biden's initial order Wednesday to shoot down the balloon *and* the fact that Chinese spy balloons violated US territory at least three times under Trump. That last statement from the Department of Defense comes around the 11th or 12th paragraph for those of you too lazy to read the whole thing..... aka most of you.
Apparently---you didnt read it either. Notice it says----the balloons crossed "into the US" (which could include simply entering into Hawaii, Guam, Alaska, and any number of territories) during Trump---as opposed to this yahoo claiming it said there was a violation of the contiguous mainland US. Also---NOBODY from the defense department is actually quoted---even as an unnamed source---as saying Chinese spy balloons crossed the continental US under Trump. They say it happened "a few times in recent years". Its very possible that IF Chinese balloons previously entered the US mainland air space---it happened under Obama. Then there is this---
It's also unclear if balloons spotted during the Trump administration were shot down. A Pentagon spokesperson did not respond to a request for comment.
For all we know, under Trump they were quietly shot down.
(This post was last modified: 02-05-2023 03:17 PM by Attackcoog.)
We may have the most technologically advanced / deadliest military on the planet but it does not make us immune to “obsolete” technologies. Enemies that have been successful in attacking us have do so with technology and/or strategies our advanced defense systems are not designed to protect against. This was not a failure of the current or former President. This was a failure of our intelligence and defense systems
