(01-14-2023 02:25 PM)unalions Wrote:  

(01-14-2023 01:29 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  

(01-14-2023 12:05 PM)unalions Wrote:  

(01-14-2023 11:01 AM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  You call it “negative Nancy”, I call it being logical and realistic. If WAC teams are trying to fracture the conference, that does concern Seattle and Grand Canyon. What if the NCAA says you can’t have just a football league? Will SFA and ACU leave? That effects basketball, doesn’t it?

Good luck. Hope it works out for you football schools. In my opinion, I don’t think it will. Solely because of money and schools like Southern Utah being far from “ready” for being FBS. And hiring the AD fired from Nevada, doesn’t prove they’re preparing for anything.

What’s Seattle preparing for? Anything?

I wouldn’t know. I am just a fan. I don’t work in the athletics department. How would I know unless they put something out? Did you know about the WAC/ASun plans before Pete Thamel put it out? No, you didn’t.

It has been discussed for weeks and even months in some forms on the ASUN forum, actually. Lions1983 had the scoop on that long before they was announced. The peanut gallery over there clowned on him as a liar and propagandist. Until the SFA coach, and the APSU AD, and then ESPN, and you saw all the news outlets pick it up. He then rightfully teased he was baking crow pies for all of them with free delivery! Lol.

But, back to the point, if that’s your stance on Seattle, what are you expecting from SUU?

I don’t know what to expect from SUU. I was shocked they left the Big Sky for the WAC. I could see why they would once the Texas 4 were coming with them though. I think “long-term” the WAC could have been successful, but once SHSU and NMSU left, forget about it.

I believe it’s in their best interest to remain with Utah Tech and UVU. I do not believe it’s in their best interest to move to FBS or play in a league with North Alabama, and vice versa. That seems dumb and/or desperate to me.

I hate that USC and UCLA joined the Big 10, but big time money is involved, so I can see why it happened. There will never be big time money involved with Southern Utah football, so I don’t really get it. Same for UNA. That’s not a slight to either school, or meant to be insulting.

(01-14-2023 02:19 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  

(01-14-2023 02:05 PM)CrimsonPhantom Wrote:  

(01-14-2023 01:54 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  

(01-14-2023 01:48 PM)TexanFan Wrote:  

(01-14-2023 01:44 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  What about the week before the SFA coach said it?

There was a week before he said it. I was just correcting your misstatement.

The SFA coach is a representative of the football league? He only speaks facts? Why would a normal, regular sports fan, believe what he says is more accurate than a national ESPN reporter?

I recall Seattle's Dollar spouting off expansion talk before it happened and before he was canned.

I don’t recall that. Same question remains, does that mean fans were “in the know”? Because Dollar said it? Since you remember, what did he say?

Verbatim, I don't remember. I just remember he started mentioning the WAC would expand when it became apparent he was going to get canned. As it it would some how save his job.

(01-09-2023 08:46 PM)Outsider Wrote:  

(01-09-2023 08:25 PM)Bobcat2013 Wrote:  [quote='Outsider' pid='18714188' dateline='1673312598']

Why would this potential new FBS conference "increase contracts" as you say? If the WACSUN schools brought that much value then wouldn't the WACSUN already have a decent linear TV deal?

That was already part of another discussion. Like I said, you are in the jealous/competition court. We get that.

Is it possible to summarize the argument, for those joining the discussion late? How is the WAC/ASUN going FBS going to put money in the pockets of Tuscaloosa and Troy etc?

EDIT: Or link to the argument?

(01-13-2023 08:29 AM)eku05 Wrote:  I'll say it again...

People continue to apply the standard of what would have to happen to be invited by and compete immediately with existing FBS schools. I get it, no one has done it this way before, so people have no way to mentally approach it except for the way they always have up until now.

So you're doing something different, and it shouldn't be measured against existing FBS schools. So what should it be measured against?

Quote:We're moving as a group, and while we don't know all of the specifics yet, here's a possible way schools might schedule when this happens...

-9 conference games (with ten teams we could play a full round robin for as long as it suits us)

-2 P5 "money" games (many of us already do this, EKU plays two P5s next year

I don't think you get 2 P5 money games. Very few G5s are able to do that.

Quote:The point is that these programs can grow together gradually. The pressure to try to somehow do all of your ramping up for FBS while still playing FCS isn't there to the same degree in this kind of scenario.

So how and why do you think that the existing FBS schools, and the NCAA as a whole, are going to accept you as an FBS conference, if you're open about not really ready to be an FBS conference, but you think you might be a big-boy FBS conference in ten years? It sounds like the strategy is "fake it till you make it", which is really a strategy that you're not supposed to announce.

(01-14-2023 08:21 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(01-09-2023 08:46 PM)Outsider Wrote:  

(01-09-2023 08:25 PM)Bobcat2013 Wrote:  [quote='Outsider' pid='18714188' dateline='1673312598']

Why would this potential new FBS conference "increase contracts" as you say? If the WACSUN schools brought that much value then wouldn't the WACSUN already have a decent linear TV deal?

That was already part of another discussion. Like I said, you are in the jealous/competition court. We get that.

Is it possible to summarize the argument, for those joining the discussion late? How is the WAC/ASUN going FBS going to put money in the pockets of Tuscaloosa and Troy etc?

EDIT: Or link to the argument?

(01-13-2023 08:29 AM)eku05 Wrote:  I'll say it again...

People continue to apply the standard of what would have to happen to be invited by and compete immediately with existing FBS schools. I get it, no one has done it this way before, so people have no way to mentally approach it except for the way they always have up until now.

So you're doing something different, and it shouldn't be measured against existing FBS schools. So what should it be measured against?

Quote:We're moving as a group, and while we don't know all of the specifics yet, here's a possible way schools might schedule when this happens...

-9 conference games (with ten teams we could play a full round robin for as long as it suits us)

-2 P5 "money" games (many of us already do this, EKU plays two P5s next year

I don't think you get 2 P5 money games. Very few G5s are able to do that.

Quote:The point is that these programs can grow together gradually. The pressure to try to somehow do all of your ramping up for FBS while still playing FCS isn't there to the same degree in this kind of scenario.

So how and why do you think that the existing FBS schools, and the NCAA as a whole, are going to accept you as an FBS conference, if you're open about not really ready to be an FBS conference, but you think you might be a big-boy FBS conference in ten years? It sounds like the strategy is "fake it till you make it", which is really a strategy that you're not supposed to announce.

And why do you think the way you do? Are you an insider on all the ins and outs of what can and cannot be accomplished? Are you smarter than guys like Luck?


It’s one thing to come on here and spew your opinions but quite another that we accept your logic as facts!

I’m sure you were skeptical that Liberty could just declare themselves FBS without a Conference as well. How has that worked out?

Seems to me many think they are the judge and jury and have but a scant knowledge of how things actually really work.

(01-15-2023 12:19 PM)BlueDragon Wrote:  I’m sure you were skeptical that Liberty could just declare themselves FBS without a Conference as well. How has that worked out?

Seems to me many think they are the judge and jury and have but a scant knowledge of how things actually really work.

Bingo!! You win.

I’m just gonna repost this over and over on here and other CSNbbs forums in the months to come. Lol.

(01-15-2023 12:30 PM)unalions Wrote:  

(01-15-2023 12:19 PM)BlueDragon Wrote:  I’m sure you were skeptical that Liberty could just declare themselves FBS without a Conference as well. How has that worked out?

Seems to me many think they are the judge and jury and have but a scant knowledge of how things actually really work.

Bingo!! You win.

I’m just gonna repost this over and over on here and other CSNbbs forums in the months to come. Lol.

Which WAC/ASun school has the religious “issues” and money that Liberty does? I will wait

(01-15-2023 12:34 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  

(01-15-2023 12:30 PM)unalions Wrote:  

(01-15-2023 12:19 PM)BlueDragon Wrote:  I’m sure you were skeptical that Liberty could just declare themselves FBS without a Conference as well. How has that worked out?

Seems to me many think they are the judge and jury and have but a scant knowledge of how things actually really work.

Bingo!! You win.

I’m just gonna repost this over and over on here and other CSNbbs forums in the months to come. Lol.

Which WAC/ASun school has the religious “issues” and money that Liberty does? I will wait

Lol. Bless your heart. Remind me again of ANY goal that Seattle is working toward.

But, you’re right on about the money, Liberty sells a ton of questionable online courses to pour millions into facilities and budget. That can’t be replicated at most schools. Maybe GCU.

So glad the Flames are CUSA-bound. That’s their “problem” to deal with now.

(01-15-2023 12:53 PM)unalions Wrote:  

(01-15-2023 12:34 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  

(01-15-2023 12:30 PM)unalions Wrote:  

(01-15-2023 12:19 PM)BlueDragon Wrote:  I’m sure you were skeptical that Liberty could just declare themselves FBS without a Conference as well. How has that worked out?

Seems to me many think they are the judge and jury and have but a scant knowledge of how things actually really work.

Bingo!! You win.

I’m just gonna repost this over and over on here and other CSNbbs forums in the months to come. Lol.

Which WAC/ASun school has the religious “issues” and money that Liberty does? I will wait

Lol. Bless your heart. Remind me again of ANY goal that Seattle is working toward.

But, you’re right on about the money, Liberty sells a ton of questionable online courses to pour millions into facilities and budget. That can’t be replicated at most schools. Maybe GCU.

So glad the Flames are CUSA-bound. That’s their “problem” to deal with now.

What exactly is UNA working on? How old is your football stadium? How old is your basketball arena?

Oh I forgot, you’re “working on” joining other schools to hopefully join FBS, but would be okay with not being real FBS members, and not taking CFP money, because we know we’re going to suck for 15 years anyway. Great project!

(01-15-2023 01:13 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  

(01-15-2023 12:53 PM)unalions Wrote:  

(01-15-2023 12:34 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  

(01-15-2023 12:30 PM)unalions Wrote:  

(01-15-2023 12:19 PM)BlueDragon Wrote:  I’m sure you were skeptical that Liberty could just declare themselves FBS without a Conference as well. How has that worked out?

Seems to me many think they are the judge and jury and have but a scant knowledge of how things actually really work.

Bingo!! You win.

I’m just gonna repost this over and over on here and other CSNbbs forums in the months to come. Lol.

Which WAC/ASun school has the religious “issues” and money that Liberty does? I will wait

Lol. Bless your heart. Remind me again of ANY goal that Seattle is working toward.

But, you’re right on about the money, Liberty sells a ton of questionable online courses to pour millions into facilities and budget. That can’t be replicated at most schools. Maybe GCU.

So glad the Flames are CUSA-bound. That’s their “problem” to deal with now.

What exactly is UNA working on? How old is your football stadium? How old is your basketball arena?

Oh I forgot, you’re “working on” joining other schools to hopefully join FBS, but would be okay with not being real FBS members, and not taking CFP money, because we know we’re going to suck for 15 years anyway. Great project!

Why doesn't Seattle have football, the main sport college fans care about?

(01-15-2023 01:20 PM)unalions Wrote:  

(01-15-2023 01:13 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  

(01-15-2023 12:53 PM)unalions Wrote:  

(01-15-2023 12:34 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  

(01-15-2023 12:30 PM)unalions Wrote:  Bingo!! You win.

I’m just gonna repost this over and over on here and other CSNbbs forums in the months to come. Lol.

Which WAC/ASun school has the religious “issues” and money that Liberty does? I will wait

Lol. Bless your heart. Remind me again of ANY goal that Seattle is working toward.

But, you’re right on about the money, Liberty sells a ton of questionable online courses to pour millions into facilities and budget. That can’t be replicated at most schools. Maybe GCU.

So glad the Flames are CUSA-bound. That’s their “problem” to deal with now.

What exactly is UNA working on? How old is your football stadium? How old is your basketball arena?

Oh I forgot, you’re “working on” joining other schools to hopefully join FBS, but would be okay with not being real FBS members, and not taking CFP money, because we know we’re going to suck for 15 years anyway. Great project!

Why doesn't Seattle have football, the main sport college fans care about?

You’re not going to tell me what UNA is working on or the age of your athletics facilities?

(01-15-2023 01:28 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  

(01-15-2023 01:20 PM)unalions Wrote:  

(01-15-2023 01:13 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  

(01-15-2023 12:53 PM)unalions Wrote:  

(01-15-2023 12:34 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  Which WAC/ASun school has the religious “issues” and money that Liberty does? I will wait

Lol. Bless your heart. Remind me again of ANY goal that Seattle is working toward.

But, you’re right on about the money, Liberty sells a ton of questionable online courses to pour millions into facilities and budget. That can’t be replicated at most schools. Maybe GCU.

So glad the Flames are CUSA-bound. That’s their “problem” to deal with now.

What exactly is UNA working on? How old is your football stadium? How old is your basketball arena?

Oh I forgot, you’re “working on” joining other schools to hopefully join FBS, but would be okay with not being real FBS members, and not taking CFP money, because we know we’re going to suck for 15 years anyway. Great project!

Why doesn't Seattle have football, the main sport college fans care about?

You’re not going to tell me what UNA is working on or the age of your athletics facilities?

(01-14-2023 01:29 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  I wouldn’t know. I am just a fan. I don’t work in the athletics department. How would I know unless they put something out?

(01-15-2023 12:19 PM)BlueDragon Wrote:  

(01-14-2023 08:21 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(01-09-2023 08:46 PM)Outsider Wrote:  

(01-09-2023 08:25 PM)Bobcat2013 Wrote:  

(01-09-2023 08:03 PM)Outsider Wrote:  Why would this potential new FBS conference "increase contracts" as you say? If the WACSUN schools brought that much value then wouldn't the WACSUN already have a decent linear TV deal?

That was already part of another discussion. Like I said, you are in the jealous/competition court. We get that.

Is it possible to summarize the argument, for those joining the discussion late? How is the WAC/ASUN going FBS going to put money in the pockets of Tuscaloosa and Troy etc?

EDIT: Or link to the argument?

(01-13-2023 08:29 AM)eku05 Wrote:  I'll say it again...

People continue to apply the standard of what would have to happen to be invited by and compete immediately with existing FBS schools. I get it, no one has done it this way before, so people have no way to mentally approach it except for the way they always have up until now.

So you're doing something different, and it shouldn't be measured against existing FBS schools. So what should it be measured against?

Quote:We're moving as a group, and while we don't know all of the specifics yet, here's a possible way schools might schedule when this happens...

-9 conference games (with ten teams we could play a full round robin for as long as it suits us)

-2 P5 "money" games (many of us already do this, EKU plays two P5s next year

I don't think you get 2 P5 money games. Very few G5s are able to do that.

Quote:The point is that these programs can grow together gradually. The pressure to try to somehow do all of your ramping up for FBS while still playing FCS isn't there to the same degree in this kind of scenario.

So how and why do you think that the existing FBS schools, and the NCAA as a whole, are going to accept you as an FBS conference, if you're open about not really ready to be an FBS conference, but you think you might be a big-boy FBS conference in ten years? It sounds like the strategy is "fake it till you make it", which is really a strategy that you're not supposed to announce.

And why do you think the way you do?

Quote:Are you an insider on all the ins and outs of what can and cannot be accomplished? Are you smarter than guys like Luck?

It’s one thing to come on here and spew your opinions but quite another that we accept your logic as facts!

I’m sure you were skeptical that Liberty could just declare themselves FBS without a Conference as well. How has that worked out?

Seems to me many think they are the judge and jury and have but a scant knowledge of how things actually really work.

OK, I asked how this is supposed to work, and I get told that I'm not as smart as the guys running the operation, so I should basically shut up.

That's not terribly convincing.

You asked what I said in the past?
Liberty was a special case.

I googled what I've said about Liberty going FBS in the past.
2012, I thought they pretty much had to call the WAC, when the WAC was still in their 2 year waiver period.
https://caa.csnbbs.com/printthread.php?t...921&page=1

I can't confirm that I posted that Liberty had a good chance at a waiver, because they had a solid case that they were blackballed because Jerry Falwell-style Christianity is looked down upon in academia, and then-CUSA and then-Sun Belt administrators weren't very diplomatic about it.

(01-15-2023 01:28 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  

(01-15-2023 01:20 PM)unalions Wrote:  

(01-15-2023 01:13 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  

(01-15-2023 12:53 PM)unalions Wrote:  

(01-15-2023 12:34 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  Which WAC/ASun school has the religious “issues” and money that Liberty does? I will wait

Lol. Bless your heart. Remind me again of ANY goal that Seattle is working toward.

But, you’re right on about the money, Liberty sells a ton of questionable online courses to pour millions into facilities and budget. That can’t be replicated at most schools. Maybe GCU.

So glad the Flames are CUSA-bound. That’s their “problem” to deal with now.

What exactly is UNA working on? How old is your football stadium? How old is your basketball arena?

Oh I forgot, you’re “working on” joining other schools to hopefully join FBS, but would be okay with not being real FBS members, and not taking CFP money, because we know we’re going to suck for 15 years anyway. Great project!

Why doesn't Seattle have football, the main sport college fans care about?

You’re not going to tell me what UNA is working on or the age of your athletics facilities?

(01-14-2023 08:21 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(01-09-2023 08:46 PM)Outsider Wrote:  

(01-09-2023 08:25 PM)Bobcat2013 Wrote:  [quote='Outsider' pid='18714188' dateline='1673312598']

Why would this potential new FBS conference "increase contracts" as you say? If the WACSUN schools brought that much value then wouldn't the WACSUN already have a decent linear TV deal?

That was already part of another discussion. Like I said, you are in the jealous/competition court. We get that.

Is it possible to summarize the argument, for those joining the discussion late? How is the WAC/ASUN going FBS going to put money in the pockets of Tuscaloosa and Troy etc?

EDIT: Or link to the argument?

(01-13-2023 08:29 AM)eku05 Wrote:  I'll say it again...

People continue to apply the standard of what would have to happen to be invited by and compete immediately with existing FBS schools. I get it, no one has done it this way before, so people have no way to mentally approach it except for the way they always have up until now.

So you're doing something different, and it shouldn't be measured against existing FBS schools. So what should it be measured against?

Quote:We're moving as a group, and while we don't know all of the specifics yet, here's a possible way schools might schedule when this happens...

-9 conference games (with ten teams we could play a full round robin for as long as it suits us)

-2 P5 "money" games (many of us already do this, EKU plays two P5s next year

I don't think you get 2 P5 money games. Very few G5s are able to do that.

Quote:The point is that these programs can grow together gradually. The pressure to try to somehow do all of your ramping up for FBS while still playing FCS isn't there to the same degree in this kind of scenario.

So how and why do you think that the existing FBS schools, and the NCAA as a whole, are going to accept you as an FBS conference, if you're open about not really ready to be an FBS conference, but you think you might be a big-boy FBS conference in ten years? It sounds like the strategy is "fake it till you make it", which is really a strategy that you're not supposed to announce.

The added value of a new league began to be brought up on page 5 and 6 of this same discussion. It wasn't brought up by me.

(01-15-2023 12:30 PM)unalions Wrote:  

(01-15-2023 12:19 PM)BlueDragon Wrote:  I’m sure you were skeptical that Liberty could just declare themselves FBS without a Conference as well. How has that worked out?

Seems to me many think they are the judge and jury and have but a scant knowledge of how things actually really work.

Bingo!! You win.

I’m just gonna repost this over and over on here and other CSNbbs forums in the months to come. Lol.

If you do at the very least you will have come to the understanding that you yourself are NOT the final say on what decisions are made and are NOT made by the NCAA.

(01-15-2023 02:44 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(01-15-2023 12:19 PM)BlueDragon Wrote:  

(01-14-2023 08:21 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(01-09-2023 08:46 PM)Outsider Wrote:  

(01-09-2023 08:25 PM)Bobcat2013 Wrote:  That was already part of another discussion. Like I said, you are in the jealous/competition court. We get that.

Is it possible to summarize the argument, for those joining the discussion late? How is the WAC/ASUN going FBS going to put money in the pockets of Tuscaloosa and Troy etc?

EDIT: Or link to the argument?

(01-13-2023 08:29 AM)eku05 Wrote:  I'll say it again...

People continue to apply the standard of what would have to happen to be invited by and compete immediately with existing FBS schools. I get it, no one has done it this way before, so people have no way to mentally approach it except for the way they always have up until now.

So you're doing something different, and it shouldn't be measured against existing FBS schools. So what should it be measured against?

Quote:We're moving as a group, and while we don't know all of the specifics yet, here's a possible way schools might schedule when this happens...

-9 conference games (with ten teams we could play a full round robin for as long as it suits us)

-2 P5 "money" games (many of us already do this, EKU plays two P5s next year

I don't think you get 2 P5 money games. Very few G5s are able to do that.

Quote:The point is that these programs can grow together gradually. The pressure to try to somehow do all of your ramping up for FBS while still playing FCS isn't there to the same degree in this kind of scenario.

So how and why do you think that the existing FBS schools, and the NCAA as a whole, are going to accept you as an FBS conference, if you're open about not really ready to be an FBS conference, but you think you might be a big-boy FBS conference in ten years? It sounds like the strategy is "fake it till you make it", which is really a strategy that you're not supposed to announce.

And why do you think the way you do?

Quote:Are you an insider on all the ins and outs of what can and cannot be accomplished? Are you smarter than guys like Luck?

It’s one thing to come on here and spew your opinions but quite another that we accept your logic as facts!

I’m sure you were skeptical that Liberty could just declare themselves FBS without a Conference as well. How has that worked out?

Seems to me many think they are the judge and jury and have but a scant knowledge of how things actually really work.

OK, I asked how this is supposed to work, and I get told that I'm not as smart as the guys running the operation, so I should basically shut up.

That's not terribly convincing.

You asked what I said in the past?
Liberty was a special case.

I googled what I've said about Liberty going FBS in the past.
2012, I thought they pretty much had to call the WAC, when the WAC was still in their 2 year waiver period.
https://caa.csnbbs.com/printthread.php?t...921&page=1

I can't confirm that I posted that Liberty had a good chance at a waiver, because they had a solid case that they were blackballed because Jerry Falwell-style Christianity is looked down upon in academia, and then-CUSA and then-Sun Belt administrators weren't very diplomatic about it.

Hmmmm seems there is always an exception to the rule.

Negative Nancy has all the reasons why something can’t be accomplished. But, when someone points out there flawed arguments this is the typical response they come up with.

I’m personally against it. I think my school needs at least the end of the decade but it’s not my call.

I will say this TSU is more prepared than SHSU and is outgrowing them as well and is better backed financially. In saying that I fully expect SHSU to be a doormat in FBS which is why I’m not excited about FBS.

(01-15-2023 02:44 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(01-15-2023 12:19 PM)BlueDragon Wrote:  

(01-14-2023 08:21 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(01-09-2023 08:46 PM)Outsider Wrote:  

(01-09-2023 08:25 PM)Bobcat2013 Wrote:  That was already part of another discussion. Like I said, you are in the jealous/competition court. We get that.

Is it possible to summarize the argument, for those joining the discussion late? How is the WAC/ASUN going FBS going to put money in the pockets of Tuscaloosa and Troy etc?

EDIT: Or link to the argument?

(01-13-2023 08:29 AM)eku05 Wrote:  I'll say it again...

People continue to apply the standard of what would have to happen to be invited by and compete immediately with existing FBS schools. I get it, no one has done it this way before, so people have no way to mentally approach it except for the way they always have up until now.

So you're doing something different, and it shouldn't be measured against existing FBS schools. So what should it be measured against?

Quote:We're moving as a group, and while we don't know all of the specifics yet, here's a possible way schools might schedule when this happens...

-9 conference games (with ten teams we could play a full round robin for as long as it suits us)

-2 P5 "money" games (many of us already do this, EKU plays two P5s next year

I don't think you get 2 P5 money games. Very few G5s are able to do that.

Quote:The point is that these programs can grow together gradually. The pressure to try to somehow do all of your ramping up for FBS while still playing FCS isn't there to the same degree in this kind of scenario.

So how and why do you think that the existing FBS schools, and the NCAA as a whole, are going to accept you as an FBS conference, if you're open about not really ready to be an FBS conference, but you think you might be a big-boy FBS conference in ten years? It sounds like the strategy is "fake it till you make it", which is really a strategy that you're not supposed to announce.

And why do you think the way you do?

Quote:Are you an insider on all the ins and outs of what can and cannot be accomplished? Are you smarter than guys like Luck?

It’s one thing to come on here and spew your opinions but quite another that we accept your logic as facts!

I’m sure you were skeptical that Liberty could just declare themselves FBS without a Conference as well. How has that worked out?

Seems to me many think they are the judge and jury and have but a scant knowledge of how things actually really work.

OK, I asked how this is supposed to work, and I get told that I'm not as smart as the guys running the operation, so I should basically shut up.

That's not terribly convincing.

You asked what I said in the past?
Liberty was a special case.

I googled what I've said about Liberty going FBS in the past.
2012, I thought they pretty much had to call the WAC, when the WAC was still in their 2 year waiver period.
https://caa.csnbbs.com/printthread.php?t...921&page=1

I can't confirm that I posted that Liberty had a good chance at a waiver, because they had a solid case that they were blackballed because Jerry Falwell-style Christianity is looked down upon in academia, and then-CUSA and then-Sun Belt administrators weren't very diplomatic about it.

Dude, you have to ask the SFA football coach! He’s got all the insider info.

Good luck to this group. I don’t see it happening. Maybe it will, I would bet on it not happening though.

(01-15-2023 04:00 PM)BlueDragon Wrote:  

(01-15-2023 02:44 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(01-15-2023 12:19 PM)BlueDragon Wrote:  

(01-14-2023 08:21 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(01-09-2023 08:46 PM)Outsider Wrote:  Is it possible to summarize the argument, for those joining the discussion late? How is the WAC/ASUN going FBS going to put money in the pockets of Tuscaloosa and Troy etc?

EDIT: Or link to the argument?



So you're doing something different, and it shouldn't be measured against existing FBS schools. So what should it be measured against?


I don't think you get 2 P5 money games. Very few G5s are able to do that.


So how and why do you think that the existing FBS schools, and the NCAA as a whole, are going to accept you as an FBS conference, if you're open about not really ready to be an FBS conference, but you think you might be a big-boy FBS conference in ten years? It sounds like the strategy is "fake it till you make it", which is really a strategy that you're not supposed to announce.

And why do you think the way you do?

Quote:Are you an insider on all the ins and outs of what can and cannot be accomplished? Are you smarter than guys like Luck?

It’s one thing to come on here and spew your opinions but quite another that we accept your logic as facts!

I’m sure you were skeptical that Liberty could just declare themselves FBS without a Conference as well. How has that worked out?

Seems to me many think they are the judge and jury and have but a scant knowledge of how things actually really work.

OK, I asked how this is supposed to work, and I get told that I'm not as smart as the guys running the operation, so I should basically shut up.

That's not terribly convincing.

You asked what I said in the past?
Liberty was a special case.

I googled what I've said about Liberty going FBS in the past.
2012, I thought they pretty much had to call the WAC, when the WAC was still in their 2 year waiver period.
https://caa.csnbbs.com/printthread.php?t...921&page=1

I can't confirm that I posted that Liberty had a good chance at a waiver, because they had a solid case that they were blackballed because Jerry Falwell-style Christianity is looked down upon in academia, and then-CUSA and then-Sun Belt administrators weren't very diplomatic about it.

Hmmmm seems there is always an exception to the rule.

Negative Nancy has all the reasons why something can’t be accomplished. But, when someone points out there flawed arguments this is the typical response they come up with.

I’m personally against it. I think my school needs at least the end of the decade but it’s not my call.

I will say this TSU is more prepared than SHSU and is outgrowing them as well and is better backed financially. In saying that I fully expect SHSU to be a doormat in FBS which is why I’m not excited about FBS.

Here’s someone that might have intelligence. Why does Tarleton need until the end of the decade, in your opinion? And you’re talking about joining a FBS conference period or in a league like this proposal?

Out of the WAC/Asun schools, Tarleton has at least upgraded their stadium and it isn’t small. Some of these other schools, have no business talking about FBS.

(01-15-2023 04:09 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  

(01-15-2023 04:00 PM)BlueDragon Wrote:  

(01-15-2023 02:44 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(01-15-2023 12:19 PM)BlueDragon Wrote:  

(01-14-2023 08:21 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  And why do you think the way you do?

Quote:Are you an insider on all the ins and outs of what can and cannot be accomplished? Are you smarter than guys like Luck?

It’s one thing to come on here and spew your opinions but quite another that we accept your logic as facts!

I’m sure you were skeptical that Liberty could just declare themselves FBS without a Conference as well. How has that worked out?

Seems to me many think they are the judge and jury and have but a scant knowledge of how things actually really work.

OK, I asked how this is supposed to work, and I get told that I'm not as smart as the guys running the operation, so I should basically shut up.

That's not terribly convincing.

You asked what I said in the past?
Liberty was a special case.

I googled what I've said about Liberty going FBS in the past.
2012, I thought they pretty much had to call the WAC, when the WAC was still in their 2 year waiver period.
https://caa.csnbbs.com/printthread.php?t...921&page=1

I can't confirm that I posted that Liberty had a good chance at a waiver, because they had a solid case that they were blackballed because Jerry Falwell-style Christianity is looked down upon in academia, and then-CUSA and then-Sun Belt administrators weren't very diplomatic about it.

Hmmmm seems there is always an exception to the rule.

Negative Nancy has all the reasons why something can’t be accomplished. But, when someone points out there flawed arguments this is the typical response they come up with.

I’m personally against it. I think my school needs at least the end of the decade but it’s not my call.

I will say this TSU is more prepared than SHSU and is outgrowing them as well and is better backed financially. In saying that I fully expect SHSU to be a doormat in FBS which is why I’m not excited about FBS.

Here’s someone that might have intelligence. Why does Tarleton need until the end of the decade, in your opinion? And you’re talking about joining a FBS conference period or in a league like this proposal?

Out of the WAC/Asun schools, Tarleton has at least upgraded their stadium and it isn’t small. Some of these other schools, have no business talking about FBS.

Simple answer is infrastructure. The football stadium still needs to be finished and the newly approved $72 million Convocation Center needs to be built for basketball. As well as completing more of the Ft Worth campus to add to the enrollment for athletic funding.

But, my real reason is that I want to see Tarleton make some deep playoff runs in FCS before exiting to FBS. I have no doubt with the facilities and the Athletic leadership this can happen quickly once transition is complete and recruits know they will be competing for a title.

(01-15-2023 04:05 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  

(01-15-2023 02:44 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(01-15-2023 12:19 PM)BlueDragon Wrote:  

(01-14-2023 08:21 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(01-09-2023 08:46 PM)Outsider Wrote:  Is it possible to summarize the argument, for those joining the discussion late? How is the WAC/ASUN going FBS going to put money in the pockets of Tuscaloosa and Troy etc?

EDIT: Or link to the argument?



So you're doing something different, and it shouldn't be measured against existing FBS schools. So what should it be measured against?


I don't think you get 2 P5 money games. Very few G5s are able to do that.


So how and why do you think that the existing FBS schools, and the NCAA as a whole, are going to accept you as an FBS conference, if you're open about not really ready to be an FBS conference, but you think you might be a big-boy FBS conference in ten years? It sounds like the strategy is "fake it till you make it", which is really a strategy that you're not supposed to announce.

And why do you think the way you do?

Quote:Are you an insider on all the ins and outs of what can and cannot be accomplished? Are you smarter than guys like Luck?

It’s one thing to come on here and spew your opinions but quite another that we accept your logic as facts!

I’m sure you were skeptical that Liberty could just declare themselves FBS without a Conference as well. How has that worked out?

Seems to me many think they are the judge and jury and have but a scant knowledge of how things actually really work.

OK, I asked how this is supposed to work, and I get told that I'm not as smart as the guys running the operation, so I should basically shut up.

That's not terribly convincing.

You asked what I said in the past?
Liberty was a special case.

I googled what I've said about Liberty going FBS in the past.
2012, I thought they pretty much had to call the WAC, when the WAC was still in their 2 year waiver period.
https://caa.csnbbs.com/printthread.php?t...921&page=1

I can't confirm that I posted that Liberty had a good chance at a waiver, because they had a solid case that they were blackballed because Jerry Falwell-style Christianity is looked down upon in academia, and then-CUSA and then-Sun Belt administrators weren't very diplomatic about it.

Dude, you have to ask the SFA football coach! He’s got all the insider info.

Good luck to this group. I don’t see it happening. Maybe it will, I would bet on it not happening though.

Something is going to happen. But it probably won’t be good. This cluster will get picked apart before it plays one season. Any school foolish enough to place their FBS hopes here will get what they deserve.

Anyway, you’re just jealous because Seattle doesn’t have FBS football Aren’t there any abandoned 1930’s era junior high or high school stadiums around Seattle U that you could take over? That’s really all you need apparently.

You could join the other legions of PNW D1 private universities with football, you know, because some people think that makes sense apparently.

Even all the lug nuts on here won’t stop the wheels from flying off this new franken conference. I give a season or two, at best. Just like when the Flaky 4 Texas schools joined the WAC. Half announced they were leaving again within a few months.