No such thing as a must win in early January for a 11-4 team.

(12-30-2022 03:59 PM)Eagleonpar Wrote:  

(12-30-2022 03:57 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(12-30-2022 03:20 PM)Eagleonpar Wrote:  So what’s the latest ?

Edit we dropped to 49 in the NET. I hate to think what we would be had we lost. 60?

TCU rose 18 spots to bypass us in the net. What did they do to accomplish that?

They beat a 300+Net Central Arkansas team at home by 40 points.

TCU's SOS is 347, which means they have put together one of the worst SOS schedules of any team in Div I. Memphis' SOS is 45.

The NET is trash. But congrats to whomever came up with the calcs for it, because they finally came up with a metric that makes the RPI look really decent.

Maybe I’m a conspiracy theorist but I think there’s something wrong with that formula. Lol

What is the goal? Level playing field? Or to keep the money within? How does the NCAA choose which ranking systems to use? How does it decide when to throw out metrics and use "the eye test?"

Conspiracy Theorist? Maybe. But it's pretty naive to believe all governing bodies are benevolent at all times.

(01-05-2023 11:43 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  No such thing as a must win in early January for a 11-4 team.

It's craziness, plus we all know what will happen with the same dozen or so posters if we should lose one or two. It's the same group that wants to fire Penny every year, Fire Silverfield every year, that complains about Lomax constantly, the same group that complains and claims in January and February every single year, that we have no shot at the tournament unless we "win out" or do something almost impossible.

It's the same dozen or so.

(01-05-2023 11:48 AM)gusrob Wrote:  What is the goal? Level playing field? Or to keep the money within? How does the NCAA choose which ranking systems to use? How does it decide when to throw out metrics and use "the eye test?"

Conspiracy Theorist? Maybe. But it's pretty naive to believe all governing bodies are benevolent at all times.

March Madness is the NCAA's bread and butter for basketball. It all boils down to keeping ratings high and contracts lucrative. Interpret that how you will.

(01-05-2023 11:59 AM)msu35 Wrote:  

(01-05-2023 11:48 AM)gusrob Wrote:  What is the goal? Level playing field? Or to keep the money within? How does the NCAA choose which ranking systems to use? How does it decide when to throw out metrics and use "the eye test?"

Conspiracy Theorist? Maybe. But it's pretty naive to believe all governing bodies are benevolent at all times.

March Madness is the NCAA's bread and butter for basketball. It all boils down to keeping ratings high and contracts lucrative. Interpret that how you will.

Exactly. Keep large fan bases engaged and bring in casual fans with buzzer beaters and Cinderella stories (ideally bounced in Sweet16).

(01-05-2023 11:43 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  No such thing as a must win in early January for a 11-4 team.

Oh yes there is when we only have at the most 4 game left with top 50 teams. And probably only two with UCF hovering around 50. And WE aren’t even top 50 at the moment. Look I don’t to just want to make the tournament. I want off the 7,8,9,10 seed line. Did you know we have NEVER made a sweet 16 with a seed worse than 6?

(01-05-2023 12:37 PM)Eagleonpar Wrote:  

(01-05-2023 11:43 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  No such thing as a must win in early January for a 11-4 team.

Oh yes there is when we only have at the most 4 game left with top 50 teams. And probably only two with UCF hovering around 50. And WE aren’t even top 50 at the moment. Look I don’t to just want to make the tournament. I want off the 7,8,9,10 seed line. Did you know we have NEVER made a sweet 16 with a seed worse than 6?

Are you saying that because something never happened in the past, that it's impossible to happen in the future?

(01-05-2023 11:34 AM)msu35 Wrote:  

(01-05-2023 11:21 AM)Claw Wrote:  

(01-05-2023 11:09 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(01-05-2023 10:46 AM)Eagleonpar Wrote:  Now at 62 NET

https://www.ncaa.com/rankings/basketball...t-rankings


Next three games are just must win

Here’s what gets me. NC State moves from 64 to 37 simply by beating an overrated Duke team at home

Why do some posters say this every year in January and even February? It's crazy. It's not close to being true.

Because we miss the dance more often than we make it. Until that changes, we have good reason to be pessimistic.

We made the tournament last year in spite of having six losses at this stage against lesser teams compared to our four current losses against what is generally considered to be a stronger schedule. With conference play getting off the ground, what makes you believe this season should have a worse outcome than last?

Yes we made the tournament. If that’s the goal fine but it’s not mine and probably not Penny’s. Being an 8/9 seed and playing a 1 seed in the second round and also it more than likely being a home game for that team isn’t good for advancement. But hey what do I know I’m a Penny hater like Derek and Seth according to Stammers. To posters like him you are a bad fan if you are not 100% positive about everything relating to the UofM on Gods green earth. Ok fine you win I’m done talking about it. Go Tigers

(01-05-2023 12:42 PM)Eagleonpar Wrote:  

(01-05-2023 11:34 AM)msu35 Wrote:  

(01-05-2023 11:21 AM)Claw Wrote:  Because we miss the dance more often than we make it. Until that changes, we have good reason to be pessimistic.

We made the tournament last year in spite of having six losses at this stage against lesser teams compared to our four current losses against what is generally considered to be a stronger schedule. With conference play getting off the ground, what makes you believe this season should have a worse outcome than last?

Yes we made the tournament. If that’s the goal fine but it’s not mine and probably not Penny’s. Being an 8/9 seed and playing a 1 seed in the second round and also it more than likely being a home game for that team isn’t good for advancement. But hey what do I know I’m a Penny hater like Derek and Seth according to Stammers. To posters like him you are a bad fan if you are not 100% positive about everything relating to the UofM on Gods green earth. Ok fine you win I’m done talking about it. Go Tigers

I was actually directing my comment to Claw and not you, but I understand your position and frustration. I would love for us to make a deep tournament run and not just the first or second round. I also have realistic expectations and don't believe this year's squad has the same potential as last year. Last year, I was genuinely disappointed that we were eliminated after Gonzaga. This year, I'll be more than happy if we pass the first round, but who really knows what will happen.

We're all fans and we all want to see the team succeed. Go Tigers indeed.

(01-05-2023 12:37 PM)Eagleonpar Wrote:  

(01-05-2023 11:43 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  No such thing as a must win in early January for a 11-4 team.

Oh yes there is when we only have at the most 4 game left with top 50 teams. And probably only two with UCF hovering around 50. And WE aren’t even top 50 at the moment. Look I don’t to just want to make the tournament. I want off the 7,8,9,10 seed line. Did you know we have NEVER made a sweet 16 with a seed worse than 6?

What are you talking about? We aren't even halfway through the schedule. We have 16 games left plus the conference tournament. At least 2 shots at UCF, and at least 2 shots at Houston.

This is the perfect example of how crazy some of our fans are. We can lose 5 more games and still make it, and it doesn't matter which games. If we split against UCF or beat Houston once, we are in. 24-9 and we are in.

(01-05-2023 12:55 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(01-05-2023 12:37 PM)Eagleonpar Wrote:  

(01-05-2023 11:43 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  No such thing as a must win in early January for a 11-4 team.

Oh yes there is when we only have at the most 4 game left with top 50 teams. And probably only two with UCF hovering around 50. And WE aren’t even top 50 at the moment. Look I don’t to just want to make the tournament. I want off the 7,8,9,10 seed line. Did you know we have NEVER made a sweet 16 with a seed worse than 6?

What are you talking about? We aren't even halfway through the schedule. We have 16 games left plus the conference tournament. At least 2 shots at UCF, and at least 2 shots at Houston.

This is the perfect example of how crazy some of our fans are. We can lose 5 more games and still make it, and it doesn't matter which games. If we split against UCF or beat Houston once, we are in. 24-9 and we are in.

Maybe. At 24-9 you will be at the mercy of what other schools did. That is just the way things are.

(01-05-2023 01:21 PM)Claw Wrote:  

(01-05-2023 12:55 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(01-05-2023 12:37 PM)Eagleonpar Wrote:  

(01-05-2023 11:43 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  No such thing as a must win in early January for a 11-4 team.

Oh yes there is when we only have at the most 4 game left with top 50 teams. And probably only two with UCF hovering around 50. And WE aren’t even top 50 at the moment. Look I don’t to just want to make the tournament. I want off the 7,8,9,10 seed line. Did you know we have NEVER made a sweet 16 with a seed worse than 6?

What are you talking about? We aren't even halfway through the schedule. We have 16 games left plus the conference tournament. At least 2 shots at UCF, and at least 2 shots at Houston.

This is the perfect example of how crazy some of our fans are. We can lose 5 more games and still make it, and it doesn't matter which games. If we split against UCF or beat Houston once, we are in. 24-9 and we are in.

Maybe. At 24-9 you will be at the mercy of what other schools did. That is just the way things are.

(01-05-2023 01:21 PM)Claw Wrote:  

(01-05-2023 12:55 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(01-05-2023 12:37 PM)Eagleonpar Wrote:  

(01-05-2023 11:43 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  No such thing as a must win in early January for a 11-4 team.

Oh yes there is when we only have at the most 4 game left with top 50 teams. And probably only two with UCF hovering around 50. And WE aren’t even top 50 at the moment. Look I don’t to just want to make the tournament. I want off the 7,8,9,10 seed line. Did you know we have NEVER made a sweet 16 with a seed worse than 6?

What are you talking about? We aren't even halfway through the schedule. We have 16 games left plus the conference tournament. At least 2 shots at UCF, and at least 2 shots at Houston.

This is the perfect example of how crazy some of our fans are. We can lose 5 more games and still make it, and it doesn't matter which games. If we split against UCF or beat Houston once, we are in. 24-9 and we are in.

Maybe. At 24-9 you will be at the mercy of what other schools did. That is just the way things are.

We got in fairly comfortably last year at 21-10. If we are 24-9 with a NET in the 40's we will be in regardless of what anyone else does.

(01-05-2023 03:32 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(01-05-2023 01:21 PM)Claw Wrote:  

(01-05-2023 12:55 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(01-05-2023 12:37 PM)Eagleonpar Wrote:  

(01-05-2023 11:43 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  No such thing as a must win in early January for a 11-4 team.

Oh yes there is when we only have at the most 4 game left with top 50 teams. And probably only two with UCF hovering around 50. And WE aren’t even top 50 at the moment. Look I don’t to just want to make the tournament. I want off the 7,8,9,10 seed line. Did you know we have NEVER made a sweet 16 with a seed worse than 6?

What are you talking about? We aren't even halfway through the schedule. We have 16 games left plus the conference tournament. At least 2 shots at UCF, and at least 2 shots at Houston.

This is the perfect example of how crazy some of our fans are. We can lose 5 more games and still make it, and it doesn't matter which games. If we split against UCF or beat Houston once, we are in. 24-9 and we are in.

Maybe. At 24-9 you will be at the mercy of what other schools did. That is just the way things are.

We got in fairly comfortably last year at 21-10. If we are 24-9 with a NET in the 40's we will be in regardless of what anyone else does.

It is really not worth worrying about at this point. We are way ahead of where we have been at any point in Penny's career. The season could easily still go either way.

If we tank and have several more bad losses then we will definitely not be in.
If we win all of the games we are supposed to (sans 2 or 3) and take one or two from Houston and UCF then we are easily in.
Somewhere in the middle then we likely slide in as one of the last 4-6 teams.

(01-05-2023 12:37 PM)Eagleonpar Wrote:  

(01-05-2023 11:43 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  No such thing as a must win in early January for a 11-4 team.

Oh yes there is when we only have at the most 4 game left with top 50 teams. And probably only two with UCF hovering around 50. And WE aren’t even top 50 at the moment. Look I don’t to just want to make the tournament. I want off the 7,8,9,10 seed line. Did you know we have NEVER made a sweet 16 with a seed worse than 6?

So by "must win", you mean to get a high-seed.
That's a different take from what "must win" typically implies, but okay.

Moved up 4 spots to 58. Win two next week and we should be back up to where we were before the Tulane game.

Interesting tidbit: 4 of the AAC newcomers for next year are in the top 100. FAU and North Texas are both top 40 as of now.

(01-08-2023 10:06 AM)Eagleonpar Wrote:  Interesting tidbit: 4 of the AAC newcomers for next year are in the top 100. FAU and North Texas are both top 40 as of now.

I haven't spent much time looking at the newcomers bb rankings - only fb. But I'm actually looking forward to UNT, UTSA, UAB, FAU joining. It's the Rice & Charlotte adds that will be anchors on the conference ratings.

(01-08-2023 12:54 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(01-08-2023 10:06 AM)Eagleonpar Wrote:  Interesting tidbit: 4 of the AAC newcomers for next year are in the top 100. FAU and North Texas are both top 40 as of now.

I haven't spent much time looking at the newcomers bb rankings - only fb. But I'm actually looking forward to UNT, UTSA, UAB, FAU joining. It's the Rice & Charlotte adds that will be anchors on the conference ratings.

I believe the American will be just fine. It certainly isn't the end of the world or good competition.

FYI - changed the title of the thread, so future convos on RPI RANKINGS can be had here, for the 2022-2023 season