(01-06-2023 11:58 AM)emu steve Wrote:  

(01-06-2023 11:46 AM)emussuperfan Wrote:  

(01-06-2023 11:42 AM)emu steve Wrote:  

(01-06-2023 10:59 AM)emussuperfan Wrote:  

(01-06-2023 10:00 AM)emu steve Wrote:  I am NOT by any stretch of the imagination an expert on ADA and handicap seating.

I have seen seating at say Camden Yards (Balto O's) as you describe. The seats are on the concourse level. One could literally use a walker or chair and stroll or roll out to designated ADA seating on the concourse. ZERO stairs to negotate.

What I'm getting at: This seems most logical to me. I have NO idea how the access to court level is, but it seems the ONLY true ADA would be court level or concourse level.

IF I were designing an arena, I wouldn't want a wheel chair at court level, for obvious reasons.
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Unless I'm missing something, ADA seating will be limited and in highly specified locations. Can't be 10 rows up at center court. If someone can negotiate 10 rows of stairs, up or down, then they probably aren't really ADA mandated person.

You are talking to one of the people that got the ADA started.
In the beginning it was only to be for those that were in wheelchairs but they couldn't get enough support so they had to include people with all forms of disabilities.

You are missing a lot. By you own admission you are not knowledgeable about the ADA. I am. I was students with disability representative at EMU for over 3 years. I taught them a lot above being disabled. We have the same rights as any non handicapped person. That we have the same rights to take risks as anyone else. We had this fight over movie theaters. Maybe it's not just the walking but the inability to access the seat or they can't sit for long periods. I get this all the time.

You don't look disabled! Really you can tell a person is disabled just by looking at them? I have a limited ability to bend so sitting becomes painful. I need my knees below my waistline. I need my car door fully open to get in and out. I bring my own walker sometimes to games. But I've found that if I stack 2 chairs on top of each other I can sit for longer periods of time. At women's game I can be down on the floor and pace back and forth.

You haven't the right to judge me on my disability ether. By the ADA all have to do is tell you I have a disability an show you my Medicare card.

The only reason we don't have fair and reasonable access is because they want to sell the most seats. so they place the handicapped seating in places they can't sell. They claim handicapped people don't show up for games. The reason is the handicapped seating sucks.

Actually, my limited knowledge of ADA pre-dates both you and ADA.

In the early 80s, I worked as a survey statistician with the Census Bureau working on the bureau's housing survey for HUD.

Our survey instrument, a questionnaire, was 52 (!) pages long. ONE SECTION was HMS (Housing Modification Section). It was an extensive series of questions pairing medical conditions and possible housing modifications to accommodate those persons with those conditions.

Things like ramps, elevators, railing, raised toilets, grab bars in the tub, etc.

This research by HUD, conducted by the Census Bureau, including yours truly, was the basis of ADA and the ADA law of 1991 (I not sure of the date). Senator Dole was a big proponent of ADA.

I would think based on that research and awareness, that athletic facilities were designed with ramps, elevators, easily accessible concourses, etc.

In years past, I would attend a Tigers/Orioles game in Baltimore using a seat of a fmr. co-worker (CP). It was concourse level coming right off a ramp.

As I remember it, an attendee could use a chair or walker and go from ADA parking to the stadium, up a ramp and to the concourse level where the fan had plenty of space to sit in a seat or his own chair.

The ADA was started in 1977. It took 15 years to become law. Try again. I was part of the original group. I was with the group that shut the mass transit system in Denver Colorado 1977 June look it up. We were the ones forcing the handicapped accessible issues.

Carl, we are quibbling now.

You are talking about activists and I'm talking about research and policy with the Federal government. The HMS section of the Annual Housing Survey dates back to the late 1970s. Not sure of the exact year. Pre-dated me.

Let me try again. Activists bring issues to light be it disabilities or HIV or whatever. Then the Federal government researches and tries to develop policies to address the issues. Dr. Fauci led a heroic effort to research and develop medicines to treat or prevent HIV.

Senator Dole led the effort in Congress to get HUD to do their research and provide the research for Congress to pass ADA legislation.

One note about Rynearson. The East stands were finished in 1991, I believe. They were engineered before ADA became law.

Any athletic facility built in the early 90s or before probably are very deficient in terms of ADA.

I know this. That again isn't what I'm talking about. The convo was built in 1999. I was still bed ridden in 1991. Also then people need to rubbing nose in there is handicapped seating in Rynearson. I know where it is and I know when it was built I'm not happy with it now. It shouldn't take new renovations to make it ADA compliant.

It's not quibbling. You are taking about after the fact. I'm talking about what lead up to it. It was only people like me advocating for changes the made Bob Dole get involved. Which is what I'm trying to do now. The strohs center does nor meet not only the ADA standards but it's intention. Fair and equal status for the disabled.

Many others are reading this post than you and I. So it's not just you I'm talking to. But I do appreciate your input.

You have been most civil in this regard. More civil than most when get into this conversation. Some times they try run me over, hit, punch or spit on me.

Sorry 1978 https://www.history.com/this-day-in-hist...bus-system

https://www.ncaa.com/rankings/basketball...t-rankings

(01-06-2023 01:12 PM)emu steve Wrote:  https://www.ncaa.com/rankings/basketball...t-rankings

LOL our 8-3 record (at this time) had us ranked BELOW a Dayton team that is 1-11.

(01-06-2023 01:30 PM)truEMU07 Wrote:  

(01-06-2023 01:12 PM)emu steve Wrote:  https://www.ncaa.com/rankings/basketball...t-rankings

LOL our 8-3 record (at this time) had us ranked BELOW a Dayton team that is 1-11.

Still ranked 212 our men are 330. Your real being they are women.

Going down to BG to watch the women win. I probably not be able to keep up with the mens game. I have no idea how their wifi work there nor how good the G5 is. Go green go white go eastern

If have disabilities and need emergency evacuation you're screwed. The information is only posted in 2 places. All it's states is call 911 and go to the front stairs and wait for help

https://archive.ada.gov/ticketing_2010.htm your information Steve your information is very out of date. There is no signage that these are handicapped areas. Bathroom are excellent. They have great wifi access. But by the current ADA standards seating is wholly lacking.

(01-06-2023 06:53 PM)emussuperfan Wrote:  

(01-06-2023 01:30 PM)truEMU07 Wrote:  

(01-06-2023 01:12 PM)emu steve Wrote:  https://www.ncaa.com/rankings/basketball...t-rankings

LOL our 8-3 record (at this time) had us ranked BELOW a Dayton team that is 1-11.

Still ranked 212 our men are 330. Your real being they are women.

Sometimes, people mistype but I can still tell what they are trying to say. When Superfan mistypes, I have no idea what he is trying to say.

Otherwise, good observation/ comment TruEMU.

Go EMU!!

EMU was down by 10 points easily on, but score is 41-32 at the half. EMU is beating itself by committing by excessively fouling and committing turnovers.

As BG has scored 8-more points than EMU at the foul-line as EMU has repeatedly fouled which has resulted in BG out-scoring EMU. Even with excessive EMU fouling, the score would probably be even if EMU had not committed 15 turnovers to BG's 7 turnovers in the first-half.

The ladies are play poorly. Giving up way to many turnovers.

(01-07-2023 02:04 PM)Miggy Wrote:  EMU was down by 10 points easily on, but score is 41-32 at the half. EMU is beating itself by committing by excessively fouling and committing turnovers.

As BG has scored 8-more points than EMU at the foul-line as EMU has repeatedly fouled which has resulted in BG out-scoring EMU. Even with excessive EMU fouling, the score would probably be even if EMU had not committed 15 turnovers to BG's 7 turnovers in the first-half.

Miggy, with all due respect, and I truly mean that as you're one of the most consistent posters on here... EMU is being exposed by a better team today. There is absolutely no way that with less fouling or fewer turnovers that this would be an even game. BG is a class above us. Their coaching runs circles around ours.

We just have to hope this is something we can learn from and rebound for Wednesday.

12 more turnovers has lead to 28 more points. BG is playing much better defense is what it comes down to.

(01-07-2023 02:35 PM)emussuperfan Wrote:  12 more turnovers has lead to 28 more points. BG is playing much better defense is what it comes down to.

Well, at least the men won!

(01-07-2023 04:23 PM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  

(01-07-2023 02:35 PM)emussuperfan Wrote:  12 more turnovers has lead to 28 more points. BG is playing much better defense is what it comes down to.

Well, at least the men won!

Going to BG when the men were hosting CMU was kind of a head scratcher.

(01-07-2023 02:26 PM)truEMU07 Wrote:  [quote='Miggy' pid='18710147' dateline='1673118277']
EMU was down by 10 points easily on, but score is 41-32 at the half. EMU is beating itself by committing excessively fouling and turnovers.

As BG has scored 8-more points than EMU at the foul-line as EMU has repeatedly fouled which has resulted in BG out-scoring EMU. Even with excessive EMU fouling, the score would probably be even if EMU had not fouled so much in the first half.

Miggy, with all due respect, and I truly mean that as you're one of the most consistent posters on here... EMU is being exposed by a better team today. There is absolutely no way that with less fouling or fewer turnovers that this would be an even game. BG is a class above us. Their coaching runs circles around ours.

We just have to hope this is something we can learn from and rebound for Wednesday.

Thanks for your gracious comment.

I didn't watch the game, but the stats I pointed out in the first half that the EMU committing 10 more turnovers than BG and EMU excessively fouling largely explained EMU's deficit in the first half.

BG pressure defense that caused EMU major problems and through-out the game led to many easy BG lay-ups.

Excessive turnovers due to BG's pressure defenses is an indication that the players were not ready for that.

EMU's strength was garnering 4 more offensive rebounds than BG, and blocking 5 more BG shots ( 7-2 )than BG did. That's a good sign but EMU has to learn how to handle an opponents pressure defense.

EMU made two more three's than BG did and both teams shot 40 percent on three's. although BG scored 4 more points than EMu did at the foul-line. BG's shooting did not beat EMU, BG's pressure defense did.

As EMU's inability to handle BG's pressing defense resulted in EMU committing 14 more turnovers than BG did. That resulted in BG making 7 more baskets and scoring 16-more points than EMU.

If EMU had not had a turnover deficit, BG would likely have scored fewer than 70 points, and EMU would likely have scored more than 70 points, and won the game. But they didn't and thus incurred a loss.

EMU should be very competitive if it cleans up it's turnover problem. One can see why it has such a good record at 9-4. A team will rarely win when they take fewer shots than their opponents do.

(01-07-2023 04:27 PM)emu steve Wrote:  

(01-07-2023 04:23 PM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  

(01-07-2023 02:35 PM)emussuperfan Wrote:  12 more turnovers has lead to 28 more points. BG is playing much better defense is what it comes down to.

Well, at least the men won!

Going to BG when the men were hosting CMU was kind of a head scratcher.

Why? Men have been playing like garbage. They ladies play tougher. Maybe I should miss more then. They win when I'm not there.