JMU lost another staffer to USF. I don’t think many folks understand how much time the recruiting staff spends with prospective athletes, but it’s a lot. Anyway, an important recruiting staffer moving on. I’m nxious to see who the replacement is and wish our JMU alumnus and former staffer the best.

What sport?

(01-05-2023 07:20 AM)Polish Hammer Wrote:  What sport?

Have to assume he’s referring to the football program since that’s where our other assistant coach left from to join USF. Losing two staff to USF is definitely concerning, but as others have stated, they seem to have a much larger budget for assistant coaches and staff than we do currently.

We'd appreciate a little more information with this type thread.

Somebody is going to be doing something.
News at 11.

(01-05-2023 08:20 AM)BleedingPurple Wrote:  We'd appreciate a little more information with this type thread.

On campus recruiting coordinator for football. It’s not a director level position, but it’s vital. It’s a primary contact with all the recruits, important job. I’m sure we will find a great replacement, but I hate to see her go. Recruiting has been so vital during the move to fbs. I honestly expected to see more coaches move on, but glad they haven’t. I think HCCC has put together a great staff.

(01-05-2023 09:02 AM)jmutoml757 Wrote:  

(01-05-2023 08:20 AM)BleedingPurple Wrote:  We'd appreciate a little more information with this type thread.

On campus recruiting coordinator for football. It’s not a director level position, but it’s vital. It’s a primary contact with all the recruits, important job. I’m sure we will find a great replacement, but I hate to see her go. Recruiting has been so vital during the move to fbs. I honestly expected to see more coaches move on, but glad they haven’t. I think HCCC has put together a great staff.

It is unfortunate, but to be expected. As I have said in multiple threads that we are going to lose coaches to schools in the AAC and above because their budgets are just so much greater for asst. coaches. While the play on the field for the AAC is most likely going to regress with the changes in the conference they still have much larger budgets for both HC and assistant pools than JMU and other Sun Belt schools. For the most part it's not really close. I don't expect us to raise our coaches salary pool to 4 million, but I would say our goal is to get to 2 million as quickly as possible. If we don't it will be tough to keep good talent.

As for other coaches not leaving I think a good deal of that is a great loyalty to Cig. Shanahan has been with Cig his whole career and I think if we continue to be successful he will eventually go, but we may get a little more time due to his relationship with Cig.

It is going to happen every year that JMU is successful. Better/Bigger opportunities for our staff are a by-product of winning.

(01-05-2023 09:22 AM)JMU2004 Wrote:  It is going to happen every year that JMU is successful. Better/Bigger opportunities for our staff are a by-product of winning.

Exactly!

It's really an advantage with CC having a lot of experience around his belt with the important stops lasting for awhile. It's allowed him to develop a lot of relationships within the coaching world. I'd have to believe his reach is further than the guys 20 years younger.

(01-05-2023 10:29 AM)BleedingPurple Wrote:  It's really an advantage with CC having a lot of experience around his belt with the important stops lasting for awhile. It's allowed him to develop a lot of relationships within the coaching world. I'd have to believe his reach is further than the guys 20 years younger.

That is true, but there's even more to it than that which makes it a desirable location for so many other reasons (location, quality of living, school's investment in the program, etc.). It's obviously a program on the rise so many have it on their list of places they'd love to spend some time at. It's not a place where careers go to die and then you're stuck here, so if any vacancy pops up you'll have no shortage of qualified (and quality) applicants.

(01-05-2023 11:27 AM)Polish Hammer Wrote:  

(01-05-2023 10:29 AM)BleedingPurple Wrote:  It's really an advantage with CC having a lot of experience around his belt with the important stops lasting for awhile. It's allowed him to develop a lot of relationships within the coaching world. I'd have to believe his reach is further than the guys 20 years younger.

That is true, but there's even more to it than that which makes it a desirable location for so many other reasons (location, quality of living, school's investment in the program, etc.). It's obviously a program on the rise so many have it on their list of places they'd love to spend some time at. It's not a place where careers go to die and then you're stuck here, so if any vacancy pops up you'll have no shortage of qualified (and quality) applicants.

I don't know, it seems as if Ike is "stuck" here. We're not getting rid of him and nobody's gonna hire him. It seems he could coach here until he's 90 if he wants. ?

(01-05-2023 02:16 PM)BleedingPurple Wrote:  

(01-05-2023 11:27 AM)Polish Hammer Wrote:  

(01-05-2023 10:29 AM)BleedingPurple Wrote:  It's really an advantage with CC having a lot of experience around his belt with the important stops lasting for awhile. It's allowed him to develop a lot of relationships within the coaching world. I'd have to believe his reach is further than the guys 20 years younger.

That is true, but there's even more to it than that which makes it a desirable location for so many other reasons (location, quality of living, school's investment in the program, etc.). It's obviously a program on the rise so many have it on their list of places they'd love to spend some time at. It's not a place where careers go to die and then you're stuck here, so if any vacancy pops up you'll have no shortage of qualified (and quality) applicants.

I don't know, it seems as if Ike is "stuck" here. We're not getting rid of him and nobody's gonna hire him. It seems he could coach here until he's 90 if he wants. ?

I have a theory, but I think the reason why Bourne has been so patient with Ike is that he wants to signal to future prospective coaches in baseball but also to coaches in other sports that they take care of their coaches and won't run them out of town in 3 years - lowering the pressure. Despite mixed results we haven't fired Coach O and look the WBB team is back firing on all cylinders.

Good reputations are hard to build and easy to soil, it makes it easier for a coach to come to a school to know that they will get their fair shake. I think Ike should be gone (and probably will be after the SBC chews him up this year), but I do like the precedent that Bourne sets. He is part of the reason why coaches will also line up to come here. BBall was a headscratcher under Rowe, but Bourne has made right with Byington. I think everyone could say Rowe had his fair shake and Byington isn't feeling undue pressure. Look at what happened to Harsin at Auburn.

(01-05-2023 02:30 PM)MarginalDuke Wrote:  

(01-05-2023 02:16 PM)BleedingPurple Wrote:  

(01-05-2023 11:27 AM)Polish Hammer Wrote:  

(01-05-2023 10:29 AM)BleedingPurple Wrote:  It's really an advantage with CC having a lot of experience around his belt with the important stops lasting for awhile. It's allowed him to develop a lot of relationships within the coaching world. I'd have to believe his reach is further than the guys 20 years younger.

That is true, but there's even more to it than that which makes it a desirable location for so many other reasons (location, quality of living, school's investment in the program, etc.). It's obviously a program on the rise so many have it on their list of places they'd love to spend some time at. It's not a place where careers go to die and then you're stuck here, so if any vacancy pops up you'll have no shortage of qualified (and quality) applicants.

I don't know, it seems as if Ike is "stuck" here. We're not getting rid of him and nobody's gonna hire him. It seems he could coach here until he's 90 if he wants. ?

I have a theory, but I think the reason why Bourne has been so patient with Ike is that he wants to signal to future prospective coaches in baseball but also to coaches in other sports that they take care of their coaches and won't run them out of town in 3 years - lowering the pressure. Despite mixed results we haven't fired Coach O and look the WBB team is back firing on all cylinders.

Good reputations are hard to build and easy to soil, it makes it easier for a coach to come to a school to know that they will get their fair shake. I think Ike should be gone (and probably will be after the SBC chews him up this year), but I do like the precedent that Bourne sets. He is part of the reason why coaches will also line up to come here. BBall was a headscratcher under Rowe, but Bourne has made right with Byington. I think everyone could say Rowe had his fair shake and Byington isn't feeling undue pressure. Look at what happened to Harsin at Auburn.

I believe the admin has done more than enough to prove that they are willing to give a coach time to figure it out.
Ike was a bad hire. Period. So was Rowe.
Ike's track record at JMU and everywhere else he has been has been consistently mediocre at best. He's doing what he does.
If they fired Ike, it isn't like they would lose all credibility when it comes to giving coaches time to figure it out. Ike just hasn't gotten it done. The team has not shown any improvement and is the same exact product it was when he got here. If there had been some significant progress, then I would be all on board. But there is nothing there. Nada.
I believe it's all about money when it comes to Ike. They just don't want to pay money and invest in baseball. That simple. Ike isn't breaking the bank and hasn't embarrassed JMU. They aren't the worst and that's okay for them. Baseball isn't their priority. Being in one of the best baseball conferences in the country isn't going to change their opinion. An admin doesn't make these decisions if they really wanted baseball to be successful.

I’m not a fan of coaches not feeling pressure.
Athletics is a win or lose business with no gray area. When coaches aren’t held accountable for consistently performing below standard, then it wrecks the culture.

I don’t buy the argument that keeping Ike longer than JMU should will help recruit good future coaches. Quite the opposite IMO. Who wants to go where standards are low? Not the people who are best in their profession.

(01-05-2023 02:16 PM)BleedingPurple Wrote:  

(01-05-2023 11:27 AM)Polish Hammer Wrote:  

(01-05-2023 10:29 AM)BleedingPurple Wrote:  It's really an advantage with CC having a lot of experience around his belt with the important stops lasting for awhile. It's allowed him to develop a lot of relationships within the coaching world. I'd have to believe his reach is further than the guys 20 years younger.

That is true, but there's even more to it than that which makes it a desirable location for so many other reasons (location, quality of living, school's investment in the program, etc.). It's obviously a program on the rise so many have it on their list of places they'd love to spend some time at. It's not a place where careers go to die and then you're stuck here, so if any vacancy pops up you'll have no shortage of qualified (and quality) applicants.

I don't know, it seems as if Ike is "stuck" here. We're not getting rid of him and nobody's gonna hire him. It seems he could coach here until he's 90 if he wants. ?

I thought this generic looking thread was actually about the football program? That’s where my comments were directed, and responding to your comment specifically about CC (Curt Cignetti). But I don’t think the other programs are that far off, obviously baseball being the exception to the rule.

Coaches want to be somewhere that can recruit to and also have the full support of the athletic department. We will always be a stepping stone to a bigger program, but coaches don’t suck it up and come here counting down the days until they’re moving on. They’re still eventually moving on, but are enjoying their stay in the meantime.

Losing coaches all over the place to USF
https://gousfbulls.com/sports/mens-baske...-rowe/4804

(01-05-2023 05:03 PM)Polish Hammer Wrote:  

(01-05-2023 02:16 PM)BleedingPurple Wrote:  

(01-05-2023 11:27 AM)Polish Hammer Wrote:  

(01-05-2023 10:29 AM)BleedingPurple Wrote:  It's really an advantage with CC having a lot of experience around his belt with the important stops lasting for awhile. It's allowed him to develop a lot of relationships within the coaching world. I'd have to believe his reach is further than the guys 20 years younger.

That is true, but there's even more to it than that which makes it a desirable location for so many other reasons (location, quality of living, school's investment in the program, etc.). It's obviously a program on the rise so many have it on their list of places they'd love to spend some time at. It's not a place where careers go to die and then you're stuck here, so if any vacancy pops up you'll have no shortage of qualified (and quality) applicants.

I don't know, it seems as if Ike is "stuck" here. We're not getting rid of him and nobody's gonna hire him. It seems he could coach here until he's 90 if he wants. ?

I thought this generic looking thread was actually about the football program? That’s where my comments were directed, and responding to your comment specifically about CC (Curt Cignetti). But I don’t think the other programs are that far off, obviously baseball being the exception to the rule.

Coaches want to be somewhere that can recruit to and also have the full support of the athletic department. We will always be a stepping stone to a bigger program, but coaches don’t suck it up and come here counting down the days until they’re moving on. They’re still eventually moving on, but are enjoying their stay in the meantime.

Sorry, yes, I took it off in a different direction. Just trying to keep conversation going.

Who was the other staff member we lost to USF?

(01-05-2023 07:51 PM)Centdukesfan Wrote:  Losing coaches all over the place to USF
https://gousfbulls.com/sports/mens-baske...-rowe/4804

I’m glad Lou is working and earning an honest paycheck.

Is there any chance we can get USF to hire Ike?