They win the Orangiest Orange Bowl ever.

(12-30-2022 11:54 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  Tney win the Orangiest Orange Bowl ever.

Only Syracuse could have made the Orange Bowl juicier.

Incredible to see Tennessee back. It's great for college football. Kudos to the White/Heupel hires (both from UCF). They have been home runs.

Think the Clemson staff and players mixed some stuff with their OJ in Miami Beach. Lots of bad decisions kept it from being closer. Dabo just seemed out of it with some of his 4th quarter decisions on the timeouts, delay of games, too many players.

(12-31-2022 12:32 AM)bullet Wrote:  Think the Clemson staff and players mixed some stuff with their OJ in Miami Beach. Lots of bad decisions kept it from being closer. Dabo just seemed out of it with some of his 4th quarter decisions on the timeouts, delay of games, too many players.

I read a report on Reddit today that Clemson is the first team since 2000 to have 30 first downs and as few as 14 points.

Tennessee was definition of "bend don't break".

(12-31-2022 12:15 AM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  

(12-30-2022 11:54 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  Tney win the Orangiest Orange Bowl ever.

Only Syracuse could have made the Orange Bowl juicier.

Incredible to see Tennessee back. It's great for college football. Kudos to the White/Heupel hires (both from UCF). They have been home runs.

Yes, Tennessee had gone 8762 days since their last major bowl win.

That was the 98/99 Fiesta Bowl, the first BCS title game. Which I happened to attend.

Major congrats to the Vols. A great season for UT and I give full props.

(12-31-2022 12:32 AM)bullet Wrote:  Think the Clemson staff and players mixed some stuff with their OJ in Miami Beach. Lots of bad decisions kept it from being closer. Dabo just seemed out of it with some of his 4th quarter decisions on the timeouts, delay of games, too many players.

Dabo doesn't seem to be having much fun anymore. He has certainly delivered a Golden Age for Clemson football, but competing in the weak ACC has masked Clemson's mediocrity without a generational talent at QB. I'm not making any predictions, but after the last couple of years it would no longer surprise me if he retired and left coaching altogether to do something else.

(12-31-2022 10:50 AM)Gamenole Wrote:  

(12-31-2022 12:32 AM)bullet Wrote:  Think the Clemson staff and players mixed some stuff with their OJ in Miami Beach. Lots of bad decisions kept it from being closer. Dabo just seemed out of it with some of his 4th quarter decisions on the timeouts, delay of games, too many players.

Dabo doesn't seem to be having much fun anymore. He has certainly delivered a Golden Age for Clemson football, but competing in the weak ACC has masked Clemson's mediocrity without a generational talent at QB. I'm not making any predictions, but after the last couple of years it would no longer surprise me if he retired and left coaching altogether to do something else.

The change at Clemson happened when Dabo graduated some solid coordinators to head coaching jobs. He has not been able to reload with quality at those coaching positions and with those losses Clemson's fundamentals have taken a dip, not drastic, but not up to the caliber of their championship years. With the financial impingement of their media money the talent pool may be slipping a bit as well. What was not lost upon me is that the SEC's #4 team beat the ACC's champ by 17 and they also lost to a mid-tier South Carolina.

You could excuse the Tennessee loss since Clemson was playing a freshman QB, but Hooker was injured and out for the Vols as well. It's hard to read too much into these opt out bowls but I'm making my remarks based on what I saw out of Clemson in the regular season. They are clearly not up to their standards. If Dabo finds some solid coordinators, he can still pull it back together. If Clemson gets the resources he'll be reinvigorated. If not, he may be gone, but to another school, and not out of coaching.

While it was not as big in Knoxville as winning on the third Saturday in October, this was a nice cherry on top of a good season.

I’m not ready to write off Clemson, they were not up to par to their usual self and made some bad decisions in the game. I agree that graduating 3 assistant coaches to HC positions hurt, I don’t think any team can absorb that sort of hit in a short amount of time. One thing that was apparent was that former QB DJ Ugungelei was regressing at the end of the season, so enter freshman Cade Klubnik. It was his first start and he appears he will be the next great Clemson QB.

As far as if the ACC can hang with the SEC goes; it’s just a small sample. I could point out that the ACC’s #2 team beat the SEC’s #2 or (as you call it) the SEC’s #4 needed OT to beat the ACC’s #4 (at best) team.

Tiger fans and Dabo are getting uneasy. If things don't change their reign is ending in terms of any national prominence on a consistent basis.

Within their own state they are getting major competition from the Gamecocks under Shane Beamer's leadership. In the day and age of NIL, USC has strong corporate support within Columbia. Plus the Cocks are making double the money in the SEC with great exposure.

Then you have the P2 versus weak league ACC with a strong GOR.

It sounds like the perfect storm for the Tigers and IPTAY (I plow ten acres a year).

Will Dabo leave if he gets the call?

(12-31-2022 03:05 PM)Pirate Rep Wrote:  Tiger fans and Dabo are getting uneasy. If things don't change their reign is ending in terms of any national prominence on a consistent basis.

Within their own state they are getting major competition from the Gamecocks under Shane Beamer's leadership. In the day and age of NIL, USC has strong corporate support within Columbia. Plus the Cocks are making double the money in the SEC with great exposure.

Then you have the P2 versus weak league ACC with a strong GOR.

It sounds like the perfect storm for the Tigers and IPTAY (I plow ten acres a year).

Will Dabo leave if he gets the call?

When you look at actual average revenues per program over the past 4 years, USC is averaging about $135m and Clemson $125m. It's something but not world-altering. I think that Clemson's biggest issue is Dabo's refusal to do much with the transfer protocol. The game is changing rapidly, and he needs to adapt or die.

(12-31-2022 03:24 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(12-31-2022 03:05 PM)Pirate Rep Wrote:  Tiger fans and Dabo are getting uneasy. If things don't change their reign is ending in terms of any national prominence on a consistent basis.

Within their own state they are getting major competition from the Gamecocks under Shane Beamer's leadership. In the day and age of NIL, USC has strong corporate support within Columbia. Plus the Cocks are making double the money in the SEC with great exposure.

Then you have the P2 versus weak league ACC with a strong GOR.

It sounds like the perfect storm for the Tigers and IPTAY (I plow ten acres a year).

Will Dabo leave if he gets the call?

When you look at actual average revenues per program over the past 4 years, USC is averaging about $135m and Clemson $125m. It's something but not world-altering. I think that Clemson's biggest issue is Dabo's refusal to do much with the transfer protocol. The game is changing rapidly, and he needs to adapt or die.

That 10 million dollar gap with be 35 million by 2025. That's significant enough. And it will be a bit more with the Big 10. And Dabo will be looking at that escalating for 11 more years once it starts before his conference can do much about it.

This Tennessee fan wins the internet for today! -

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That's funny.

Congrats to Josh Heupel!

3rd season with 10 or more wins in his 5 season career

Josh Huepel has done a great job, when he took the UT job, the program had a hard time getting big names, I suppose the Phil Fulmer break up made the job appear toxic. Congrats to UT for finding a good one.