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“In light of concerns about Baker’s possible role in suppression of information important to the public dialogue, he was exited from Twitter today,” Musk tweeted Tuesday.

(12-07-2022 01:18 PM)Brownandgoldlaker Wrote:  “In light of concerns about Baker’s possible role in suppression of information important to the public dialogue, he was exited from Twitter today,” Musk tweeted Tuesday.

This is so f#$%ing exhausting.

We should probably figure out why Jared got a $2B check from Saudi Arabia if family members of Presidents are fair game. Especially, if they were in the Cabinet.

Sigh. Another billionaire manbaby with extreme narcissism and lack of empathy. And a massive fanboy/cult following who worships those aforementioned characteristics.

(12-07-2022 05:23 PM)BroncoMinor Wrote:  We should probably figure out why Jared got a $2B check from Saudi Arabia if family members of Presidents are fair game. Especially, if they were in the Cabinet.

I wonder how many of the 7 million votes that Biden won by would have swung based on the "information important to public dialogue" revolving around Hunter's d@#$ pics?

Of course, it would have needed less than that to swing some of the states. Maybe I shouldn't use the word "swing" when discussing this topic...

Although, if Trump talking about grabbing women by their girl parts didn't seem to matter due to it's "locker room talk" nature, I fail to see how the unclothed antics of a relative not participating in the election at all would move the needle.

Elon Musk is full of hypocritical chit. Hunter Biden was PARAMOUNT to public dialogue, yet he bans employees from posting because he doesn't like their opinions. To say nothing of reinstating Trump and MTG all while booting Ye. It is all about the number of clicks, nothing more.

Yup...

https://gizmodo.com/jack-to-elon-can-we-...CkVktOd5lg

(12-08-2022 08:29 AM)AFLAGWA Wrote:  Yup...

https://gizmodo.com/jack-to-elon-can-we-...CkVktOd5lg

Elon has become the Mike Lindell of Twitter. Every other day, you’re going to have to “tune into Twitter” to hear the latest news on Hunter’s laptop. This will be a bit for 3 months.

(12-07-2022 06:12 PM)AFLAGWA Wrote:  

(12-07-2022 05:23 PM)BroncoMinor Wrote:  We should probably figure out why Jared got a $2B check from Saudi Arabia if family members of Presidents are fair game. Especially, if they were in the Cabinet.

I wonder how many of the 7 million votes that Biden won by would have swung based on the "information important to public dialogue" revolving around Hunter's d@#$ pics?

Of course, it would have needed less than that to swing some of the states. Maybe I shouldn't use the word "swing" when discussing this topic...

Although, if Trump talking about grabbing women by their girl parts didn't seem to matter due to it's "locker room talk" nature, I fail to see how the unclothed antics of a relative not participating in the election at all would move the needle.

Elon Musk is full of hypocritical chit. Hunter Biden was PARAMOUNT to public dialogue, yet he bans employees from posting because he doesn't like their opinions. To say nothing of reinstating Trump and MTG all while booting Ye. It is all about the number of clicks, nothing more.

I did read after the election that a poll concluded the laptop story would have caused a 7 percent shift from Biden to Trump.

(12-07-2022 06:12 PM)AFLAGWA Wrote:  

(12-07-2022 05:23 PM)BroncoMinor Wrote:  We should probably figure out why Jared got a $2B check from Saudi Arabia if family members of Presidents are fair game. Especially, if they were in the Cabinet.

I wonder how many of the 7 million votes that Biden won by would have swung based on the "information important to public dialogue" revolving around Hunter's d@#$ pics?

Of course, it would have needed less than that to swing some of the states. Maybe I shouldn't use the word "swing" when discussing this topic...

AFLAGWA-In a Nov. 2020 poll of Biden voters in seven swings states, 17% would have changed their minds if they had known the full story (The NY Post Oct. 12, 2020 article that Twitter and Facebook took down).

Minor-The issue is far greater than all the grifters in Washington and once they leave who are making millions, though Jared was doing just fine before going to Washington. It's whether or not our government (FBI) was working with/through big tech to interfere in the 2020 election. Baker is a controversial figure. He has been something of a Zelig of FBI controversies dating back to 2016, from the Steele Dossier to the Alfa-Server mess. He resigned in 2018 after an investigation into leaks to the press.

I'm sure there are many posters here who are very concerned with possible election interference and how it may have impacted our democracy.

(12-08-2022 11:25 AM)Brownandgoldlaker Wrote:  AFLAGWA-In a Nov. 2020 poll of Biden voters in seven swings states, 17% would have changed their minds if they had known the full story (The NY Post Oct. 12, 2020 article that Twitter and Facebook took down).

If you could, I'd love to see a link to that poll.

Consider me a guarded skeptic. The biggest problem is that NO ONE knows the "full story"...even to this day. So, the idea that they are answering a survey based on the "full story" the same month that the election occurred in has me looking for more information.

The totality of the public understanding is that there was a laptop belonging to Hunter Biden that was left at a shop for a long period of time. When the shop owner saw the contents on the hard drive, it somehow ended up in the hands of Republican political operatives and the FBI. The same FBI that announced relaunching of their investigation into Hillary Clinton's emails two weeks before the election that she was an actual candidate in...not just the offspring of one.

Then, some of the more personal lurid details about Hunter Biden (including nude pictures of him...that, by the way, posting on Twitter without the direct consent of the subject is against their existing TOS...and other unsavory details) were floating around Twitter and FB. The Biden Campaign (who, at the time, was a private citizen) requested they were taken down based on Twitter and FB existing TOS as (a) posting those things were a violation of the TOS and Hunter Biden's (another private citizen) rights and (b) based on the previous election uncertainties about their authenticity based on the prior elections interference campaigns. All while, the Trump Campaign (who at the time WAS THE GOVERNMENT) also asked Twitter to take things down.

Make no mistake, Hunter Biden has been into some S@#T! But, Twitter complying with its own TOS for both parties campaigns does not reek of government conspiracy or First Amendment violations. In fact, if we were to try and pin that on either party for the 2020 Election, it could only be applied to Trump and his campaign as the First references GOVERNMENT restrictions...which Biden and his campaign were not.

Also, make no mistake, I am absolutely concerned about election interference. Up to and including the subversion of free speech. Also, the kind you see with gerrymandering, the kind you see with redistricting, restrictive election and voting policies, idiots outside of election centers "ensuring the election is fair" along with their masks and guns, government officials recruiting "alternate electors", county election boards deciding not to certify election results, and azzhats that try to stop the certification of an election at the highest levels of government. Once we are done addressing some of those things, I'll concern myself with Hunter Biden's schlong.

However, I would sincerely like to see that poll if you can find a link. I like info and data. While I highly doubt that 17% of all Biden voters would have flipped, I find it plausible that 17% of a subset might. Perhaps Republican voters that voted for Biden or undecided voters that voted for Biden. But not 1.4 million voters overall.

(12-08-2022 11:25 AM)Brownandgoldlaker Wrote:  AFLAGWA-In a Nov. 2020 poll of Biden voters in seven swings states, 17% would have changed their minds if they had known the full story (The NY Post Oct. 12, 2020 article that Twitter and Facebook took down).

If you are referencing the MRC poll, the number was 9.4% and the question was hardly "the full story"...

“At the time you cast your vote for president, were you aware that evidence exists, including bank transactions the FBI is currently investigating, that directly links Joe Biden and his family to a corrupt financial arrangement between a Chinese company with connections to the Chinese Communist Party that was secretly intended to provide the Biden family with tens of millions of dollars in profits?”

I could see how a question like that based on speculation, loose conspiracies, and outright lies could swing a vote or two.

For reference...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/...en-laptop/

But if there is a different poll, I would still love a link.

That is the mother of all leading questions. Ridiculous. Obviously not a legit poll.

(12-08-2022 01:14 PM)AFLAGWA Wrote:  

(12-08-2022 11:25 AM)Brownandgoldlaker Wrote:  AFLAGWA-In a Nov. 2020 poll of Biden voters in seven swings states, 17% would have changed their minds if they had known the full story (The NY Post Oct. 12, 2020 article that Twitter and Facebook took down).

If you could, I'd love to see a link to that poll.

However, I would sincerely like to see that poll if you can find a link. I like info and data. While I highly doubt that 17% of all Biden voters would have flipped, I find it plausible that 17% of a subset might. Perhaps Republican voters that voted for Biden or undecided voters that voted for Biden. But not 1.4 million voters overall.

As I previously mentioned, survey was from 7 swing states:

Biden Voter Messaging Survey Analysis
https://cdn.mrc.org/TPC-MRC+Biden+Voter+..._final.pdf

Page 9. Among Biden voters who were unaware of the FBI investigation, nearly 80% would have still voted for Biden had they known the information.

(12-08-2022 02:05 PM)Brownandgoldlaker Wrote:  As I previously mentioned, survey was from 7 swing states:

Biden Voter Messaging Survey Analysis
https://cdn.mrc.org/TPC-MRC+Biden+Voter+..._final.pdf

Thanks! Quick question...did you actually read this survey analysis? Like, really read it.

Just a couple of things...
-This is OBVIOUSLY incredibly politically skewed with the goal of casting only the best parts of Trump against the potentially worst parts of Biden/Harris...yes?
-Page 26, 27, and 28 are blatantly false or intentionally omissive statements.
-What metric was used to establish "most leftist"?
-In the Executive Summary of the survey, neither of the first two bullets highlight what the survey bears out. Biden voters were largely unaffected (75%). 6% of only those that didn't know about the general lies and misinformation in this survey would have changed their vote TO Trump. The remaining 17% would have "not voted for Biden" based on the information that was provided in this survey...much of which is misinformation in itself. At no point does it say that they would have flipped their vote to Trump. That is an inference that likely would not have held true.
-The reference of 17% knowing the "full story" is not reflected in this survey. Little of this survey has any relevance to the Twitter and FB policies toward Hunter Biden and the take down requests. Of the three questions that do, they are intentionally misleading or omissive.
-As many of these voters voted for Biden but were not identified as Democrats, Republicans, Independents...only around 42% said they "usually vote for the Democrat"...there is not clear way to identify what the remaining 58% would have done with their vote.
-There is literally no way based on these questions or data to definitively say that all "not votes for Biden" would have all gone to Trump OR even in quantities necessary to flip the states. To say 6 of 7 states would have flipped when you (a) don't know how that 58% would have cast their vote and (b) your sample size of just north of 1700 respondents against tens of millions of voters in those 7 states is statistically insignificant.
-Keeping in mind that 6 of 7 of those states voted for Biden, this survey is basically trying to establish that all of the states that went for Biden would have flipped to Trump based on 1700 surveys that are intentionally misleading when only three of those states finished at less that 3% apart is nonsense. Even if you were to place each of those undetermined "flipped" votes in the perfect ratios for Trump to only end up with one more than Biden in each state, it wouldn't be enough to flip 6 or them. Not when they were in excess of 3%.

This is not an exit poll. This is a messaging survey. It is used to identify what types of things we should say next time to try and earn a vote from someone that didn't vote for us this time.

I appreciate the link but this is not a poll. This is steering propaganda. The original point of 17% would have flipped if they knew the "full story" of what was censored by Twitter and FB isn't even supported by this survey as most of it has nothing to do with that circumstance whatsoever.

(12-08-2022 02:05 PM)Brownandgoldlaker Wrote:  Page 9. Among Biden voters who were unaware of the FBI investigation, nearly 80% would have still voted for Biden had they known the information.

This is a great example of how misleading the questioning is! I'm glad you identified it as a reference.

"If you had been aware of this actual evidence in emails, texts, testimony and banking transactions being investigated by the FBI, would you have:"

The number of respondents was 1700 and change, but let's keep it at 1700 for easier math.

40% already knew about the FBI investigation...680
Of the remaining 1000 or so, 80% would have still voted for Biden even with the misleading direction of the question...800
So, approximately 1500 of the 1700 were voting for Biden regardless. Of those 200, about 60% were unknowns and may just have stayed home that day instead of voting at all.

So, out of 1700, less than 80 would have potentially flipped. Again, based on "actual evidence" being "investigated by the FBI". Evidence of what, exactly? What evidence was being investigated? Even if we take the lowest common denominator and go with investigations into whether or not this was Russian disinformation, which is really what the FBI was looking into at that point, nothing other than right-wing talking points and questions in this survey were leading people to think that it was about Joe Biden personally being involved in corruption.

Backing away from the tangent this thread has taken, if you want to understand what Elon is really doing at Twitter in terms of staffing look up the business concept of Whaling and Culling.

In the past 24 hours, Musk has called for the arrest of Dr. Fauci (while mocking transgendered 'pronouns') and basically said "wokeism" is the greatest threat to the planet.

He's checking every red-meat MAGA box.

$44B could've gone a long way in improving the lives of so many. Instead he spent that amount to troll the libs.

He might also be upset he got booed when he was introduced at a Dave Chapelle show this weekend.

(12-12-2022 10:34 AM)Motown Bronco Wrote:  $44B could've gone a long way in improving the lives of so many.

What price tag would you put on your/our free speech? Are you ok with our government possibly colluding and coordinating with a private entity to suppress speech for political or any other purpose?

(12-12-2022 10:59 AM)Brownandgoldlaker Wrote:  

(12-12-2022 10:34 AM)Motown Bronco Wrote:  $44B could've gone a long way in improving the lives of so many.

What price tag would you put on your/our free speech? Are you ok with our government possibly colluding and coordinating with a private entity to suppress speech for political or any other purpose?

As long as you’re willing to remember the “government” that asked Twitter to take things down.

And even they didn’t collide or coordinate, they asked for Twitter to adhere to their pre-existing TOS.

I realize these things deviate from the talking points. But, if you can’t acknowledge that (a) this happened under Trumps administration and (b) asking a company to stick with their own terms of service, isn’t collusion, this isn’t a conversation.

(12-08-2022 11:25 AM)Brownandgoldlaker Wrote:  

(12-07-2022 06:12 PM)AFLAGWA Wrote:  

(12-07-2022 05:23 PM)BroncoMinor Wrote:  We should probably figure out why Jared got a $2B check from Saudi Arabia if family members of Presidents are fair game. Especially, if they were in the Cabinet.

I wonder how many of the 7 million votes that Biden won by would have swung based on the "information important to public dialogue" revolving around Hunter's d@#$ pics?

Of course, it would have needed less than that to swing some of the states. Maybe I shouldn't use the word "swing" when discussing this topic...

AFLAGWA-In a Nov. 2020 poll of Biden voters in seven swings states, 17% would have changed their minds if they had known the full story (The NY Post Oct. 12, 2020 article that Twitter and Facebook took down).

Minor-The issue is far greater than all the grifters in Washington and once they leave who are making millions, though Jared was doing just fine before going to Washington. It's whether or not our government (FBI) was working with/through big tech to interfere in the 2020 election. Baker is a controversial figure. He has been something of a Zelig of FBI controversies dating back to 2016, from the Steele Dossier to the Alfa-Server mess. He resigned in 2018 after an investigation into leaks to the press.

I'm sure there are many posters here who are very concerned with possible election interference and how it may have impacted our democracy.

Jared was doing just fine? His father is a convicted felon who was pardoned by Donald Trump. Both Jared & Ivanka were members of the cabinet, which means they are the government. So, one government official (Jared) received $2B from Saudi Arabia & the other government official (Ivanka) had trademark requests fast tracked in China. But, they were doing “fine” before they got into office, so nothing to see here.

But, Hunter’s laptop is what matters the most.