(12-03-2022 07:12 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(12-03-2022 07:03 PM)tpaw09 Wrote:  

(12-03-2022 06:56 PM)thagr82008 Wrote:  

(12-03-2022 05:33 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(12-03-2022 05:02 PM)thagr82008 Wrote:  CMN, left our roster with playmakers, we were a highly powered juggernaught offensively/special-teams. We had/have rb's that could take it to the house from the backfield;from screens or wheel routes...RS was the offensive-line coach then. Since he's been head ciach, those dynamic areas have been lack lister at best. Even marginal....If this admin had ANY aspirations of being relevant. Tbey woild NOT allow this coach to benefit from a lesser schedule.. This combination of RS and Seth Henigan is NOT producing "quality" wins....Look at the results over two years....So Seth facing the level of opponents next season tearing it up is going to prove that he's an improved commodity....It absolutely won't, it's going to be fools gold....fugazi....then we will be stuck in this abyss of nothingness, as he will virtually be unfirable, as will caise a stain on the program as Memphis is delusional to think it deserves better than 8 wims in Clnference USA

What playmakers?

Calvim Austin III was one

Can you name anymore

B. White, Dykes, Coxie

Dykes, the playmaker you named had 2 catches for norvell . Norvell didn’t use the TE like RS. Coxie played a few games before getting kicked off or quit. Next….

(12-03-2022 07:19 PM)thagr82008 Wrote:  

(12-03-2022 07:03 PM)tpaw09 Wrote:  

(12-03-2022 06:56 PM)thagr82008 Wrote:  

(12-03-2022 05:33 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(12-03-2022 05:02 PM)thagr82008 Wrote:  CMN, left our roster with playmakers, we were a highly powered juggernaught offensively/special-teams. We had/have rb's that could take it to the house from the backfield;from screens or wheel routes...RS was the offensive-line coach then. Since he's been head ciach, those dynamic areas have been lack lister at best. Even marginal....If this admin had ANY aspirations of being relevant. Tbey woild NOT allow this coach to benefit from a lesser schedule.. This combination of RS and Seth Henigan is NOT producing "quality" wins....Look at the results over two years....So Seth facing the level of opponents next season tearing it up is going to prove that he's an improved commodity....It absolutely won't, it's going to be fools gold....fugazi....then we will be stuck in this abyss of nothingness, as he will virtually be unfirable, as will caise a stain on the program as Memphis is delusional to think it deserves better than 8 wims in Clnference USA

What playmakers?

Calvim Austin III was one

Can you name anymore

Calvin Austin III

White for one season, Austin III and Dykes, that's it. Zero running backs. Your answer is less than mediocre, as usual.

(12-03-2022 07:12 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(12-03-2022 07:03 PM)tpaw09 Wrote:  

(12-03-2022 06:56 PM)thagr82008 Wrote:  

(12-03-2022 05:33 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(12-03-2022 05:02 PM)thagr82008 Wrote:  CMN, left our roster with playmakers, we were a highly powered juggernaught offensively/special-teams. We had/have rb's that could take it to the house from the backfield;from screens or wheel routes...RS was the offensive-line coach then. Since he's been head ciach, those dynamic areas have been lack lister at best. Even marginal....If this admin had ANY aspirations of being relevant. Tbey woild NOT allow this coach to benefit from a lesser schedule.. This combination of RS and Seth Henigan is NOT producing "quality" wins....Look at the results over two years....So Seth facing the level of opponents next season tearing it up is going to prove that he's an improved commodity....It absolutely won't, it's going to be fools gold....fugazi....then we will be stuck in this abyss of nothingness, as he will virtually be unfirable, as will caise a stain on the program as Memphis is delusional to think it deserves better than 8 wims in Clnference USA

What playmakers?

Calvim Austin III was one

Can you name anymore

B. White, Dykes, Coxie

Coxie that left after two games. Bravo

(12-04-2022 06:20 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(12-03-2022 07:12 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(12-03-2022 07:03 PM)tpaw09 Wrote:  

(12-03-2022 06:56 PM)thagr82008 Wrote:  

(12-03-2022 05:33 PM)Stammers Wrote:  What playmakers?

Calvim Austin III was one

Can you name anymore

B. White, Dykes, Coxie

Coxie that left after two games. Bravo

Its not Norvell’s fault Coxie & Gainwell wouldn’t play for Silverfield.

(12-04-2022 07:42 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(12-04-2022 06:20 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(12-03-2022 07:12 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(12-03-2022 07:03 PM)tpaw09 Wrote:  

(12-03-2022 06:56 PM)thagr82008 Wrote:  Calvim Austin III was one

Can you name anymore

B. White, Dykes, Coxie

Coxie that left after two games. Bravo

Its not Norvell’s fault Coxie & Gainwell wouldn’t play for Silverfield.

(12-04-2022 07:42 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(12-04-2022 06:20 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(12-03-2022 07:12 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(12-03-2022 07:03 PM)tpaw09 Wrote:  

(12-03-2022 06:56 PM)thagr82008 Wrote:  Calvim Austin III was one

Can you name anymore

B. White, Dykes, Coxie

Coxie that left after two games. Bravo

Its not Norvell’s fault Coxie & Gainwell wouldn’t play for Silverfield.

I think that's kind of the point. We talking about guys with proven playmaker ability that weren't under RS or they simply left the team.

(12-04-2022 08:17 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(12-04-2022 07:42 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(12-04-2022 06:20 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(12-03-2022 07:12 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(12-03-2022 07:03 PM)tpaw09 Wrote:  Can you name anymore

B. White, Dykes, Coxie

Coxie that left after two games. Bravo

Its not Norvell’s fault Coxie & Gainwell wouldn’t play for Silverfield.

I think that's kind of the point. We talking about guys with proven playmaker ability that weren't under RS or they simply left the team.

Yes, Gainwell went through the entire summer of practice and Coxie played two games because they refused to play for Silverfield.

Is anyone else stupid enough to think that Coxie wouldn't have been kicked off if Norvell was the coach or that both Gainwells wouldn't have opted out after relatives died of covid because of Silverfield?

Another rhetorical question. Another tap-in par for Atlanta. Tell us again about 5% inflation in the construction industry. That was awesome.

(12-04-2022 09:31 AM)bluebacker Wrote:  

(12-03-2022 11:04 AM)roachman48 Wrote:  My interpretation:
This is a carefully worded vote of confidence for Silverfield. There will be no HC change this season. Coach RS better win more games in 2023. But, he is here for one more year.

That seems like about it but you could take this year's team and coaching performance and put them into next year's AAC and win 8 or 9 games with no improvements....

Yes that would be improvement! 3 of the 5 AAC teams that beat the Tigers this season will be in the conference with us next season. Plus the addition of UTSA, N Texas, and UAB will strengthen the conference schedule. Winning 6 games next year might even be an improvement over the six wins this season. Don't confuse what is real with what is required. The requirement is not to win the conference every year, but to compete for the conference championship every year. CRS has not competed for a title yet. The conference is fine, it is the Tigers' head coach who is in jeopardy of losing his position. The administration laid out it's reasons for granting one more opportunity to a man who has been unable to take advantage of his opportunities so far. I know all Tiger fans would love to see him become a dynamic and successful head coach at Memphis. Unfortunately there are far too many of us who doubt he ever will. This places not only Silverfield but also Veatch at risk of having to find employment elsewhere after next season.

Does anyone think that Seth Henigan could not have used Tahj last year, this year, and next year?

(12-03-2022 11:30 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(12-03-2022 10:56 AM)tigerfan39 Wrote:  

(12-01-2022 04:30 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  So our minimum std is to win 6 games........sad & mediocre.

Why is a minimum of 6 wins sad? Sure, we all want 10+ but is that really even realistic?

I'm cool with 6 minimum and maximum championship with access to NYE game.

Because it is an acceptance of mediocrity. It means our program mgmt is satisfied to be a 6th-7th-8th place AAC program. It means our admin is satisfied with being a permanent member of a G5 conference. It means our admin is satisfied with a 15K attendance avg. It means our admin will continue to dumb down our OOC schedule to ensure 6 wins since we can't win more than 3-4 in-conference. It doesn't matter that there is "potential" for a better finish because there is little chance it will happen given the results of the last 3 seasons & acceptance of that level of performance. Sure, be cool with that, I'm not.

"Minimum standard" at 6 games is not an acceptance of mediocrity, by itself. It indicates that it's understood that circumstances could sometimes result in a worst case of 6 wins.

However, accepting the minimum std for consecutive years is a problem. And it also implies that if you ever slip below 6 wins, you're gone - no excuses.

I think it's a bad letter that will cause more fan erosion than it stops.

He might not have been the one who wrote it. or wrote all of it. lol. I used to tweet, answer questions and ghostwrite daily 'pep talks' for a semi-famous guy and everyone believed he did.

(12-03-2022 03:57 PM)bigbob Wrote:  All of this is ridiculous

Name the schools who haven’t had off cycles in the past 10 years? Ole Miss? TN? Texas? A&M? Fl St? Houston? UCF?

Many have had loss seasons and real setbacks

Our setback is to 6-6 with 7-8 games within a touchdown

Ryan was 8-3 until the experience gap hit; we played 38 redshirt sophomores or less in experience with a top tier QB who will be back

IF next year’s record is the same, it will be time

But getting a new coach now would lose Hennigan and a lot of top tier talent as well as the highest ranked recruiting class in history and virtually guarantee a 3-year rebuild to get where we are

Yes, everyone has an off-year. The problem is Ryan was hired under the exact, explicitly stated premise of continuing the momentum. No rebuild necessary. This train is rolling, and who better to continue that than Ryan. And now we've stacked back to back bottom-half AAC seasons in years 2-3. It's not the 6-6 seasons, it's the 7th and now 8th place finish in the AAC. The momentum has fully dissolved.

As for the lack of playmakers and experience gap, whose fault is that? Ryan has 3 years of recruiting classes now, along with the last 2 years of Norvell when he was the deputy HC.

We heard last year that due to the "once-in-a-century" level of injuries that had unfortunately befallen us, we were having to play all these young guys. But it would pay off because they were getting great experience!

Then this year, we entered the season with fewer than 4 guys on the 2-deep depth chart with less than 2-years experience. One of them being Seth and the other being Rubin - who had both beaten out upperclassmen for their positions. We had a ton of 4th and 5th year guys on the depth chart. I don't buy the experience problem one bit.

We need something to motivate fans. Even if we lost Seth and other recruits from a coaching change, we could still sell hope. And with the right coach, with portal and NIL, a rebuild can happen more quickly than ever.

The excuses sound just like last year. Just substitute "injuries" with "experience". Next year, what will it be - weather? More importantly...Next year, who will care?

(12-04-2022 10:13 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  With the lighter conference slate, I think we’d all like to know what the barometer is. Surely, he’ll win more games in “CUSA II, the Relapse” than he did in the AAC. We lose Houston & UCF off of this year’s schedule & replace them with more favorable games for our current program… UAB & Charlotte. In conference, if Ryan can win @Charlotte, @Temple & then beat Navy, USF & SMU at home; & can manage to go 2-2 in the non-conference; he will end up 7-5. Is that improvement?

Wins
@Charlotte (3-9)
@Arkansas State (3-9)
Bethune Cookman (2-9)
@ Temple (3-9)
Navy (4-7)
USF (1-11)
SMU (7-5)

Losses
@Mizzou (6-6)
Tulane (11-2)
Boise (9-4)
@UAB (6-6)
@North Texas (7-6)

Just beat 1 team with a winning record… Is that all Laird needs to show improvement?

Where did you get your 2023 schedule info? I don't think the new AAC schedule is out. If you're just making assumptions, I guess that is as good as any.

To me, it's less about total wins, and more about where we finish in the AAC vs our peers. The key is to challenge for the conference champ to put ourselves in the best position for postseason and exposure. If we go 5-3 in conference, yes it's incremental improvement. However it's still not enough to get us in the AAC CCG. It would probably put us 5th place. Not good enough. He needs to go at least 6-2 in conference next year and make the CCG. No excuses.

(12-05-2022 12:52 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(12-04-2022 10:13 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  With the lighter conference slate, I think we’d all like to know what the barometer is. Surely, he’ll win more games in “CUSA II, the Relapse” than he did in the AAC. We lose Houston & UCF off of this year’s schedule & replace them with more favorable games for our current program… UAB & Charlotte. In conference, if Ryan can win @Charlotte, @Temple & then beat Navy, USF & SMU at home; & can manage to go 2-2 in the non-conference; he will end up 7-5. Is that improvement?

Wins
@Charlotte (3-9)
@Arkansas State (3-9)
Bethune Cookman (2-9)
@ Temple (3-9)
Navy (4-7)
USF (1-11)
SMU (7-5)

Losses
@Mizzou (6-6)
Tulane (11-2)
Boise (9-4)
@UAB (6-6)
@North Texas (7-6)

Just beat 1 team with a winning record… Is that all Laird needs to show improvement?

Where did you get your 2023 schedule info? I don't think the new AAC schedule is out. If you're just making assumptions, I guess that is as good as any.

To me, it's less about total wins, and more about where we finish in the AAC vs our peers. The key is to challenge for the conference champ to put ourselves in the best position for postseason and exposure. If we go 5-3 in conference, yes it's incremental improvement. However it's still not enough to get us in the AAC CCG. It would probably put us 5th place. Not good enough. He needs to go at least 6-2 in conference next year and make the CCG. No excuses.

But our AD has already announced to the world that such performance is above the minimum std, so all is well.

(12-05-2022 12:52 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(12-04-2022 10:13 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  With the lighter conference slate, I think we’d all like to know what the barometer is. Surely, he’ll win more games in “CUSA II, the Relapse” than he did in the AAC. We lose Houston & UCF off of this year’s schedule & replace them with more favorable games for our current program… UAB & Charlotte. In conference, if Ryan can win @Charlotte, @Temple & then beat Navy, USF & SMU at home; & can manage to go 2-2 in the non-conference; he will end up 7-5. Is that improvement?

Wins
@Charlotte (3-9)
@Arkansas State (3-9)
Bethune Cookman (2-9)
@ Temple (3-9)
Navy (4-7)
USF (1-11)
SMU (7-5)

Losses
@Mizzou (6-6)
Tulane (11-2)
Boise (9-4)
@UAB (6-6)
@North Texas (7-6)

Just beat 1 team with a winning record… Is that all Laird needs to show improvement?

Where did you get your 2023 schedule info? I don't think the new AAC schedule is out. If you're just making assumptions, I guess that is as good as any.

To me, it's less about total wins, and more about where we finish in the AAC vs our peers. The key is to challenge for the conference champ to put ourselves in the best position for postseason and exposure. If we go 5-3 in conference, yes it's incremental improvement. However it's still not enough to get us in the AAC CCG. It would probably put us 5th place. Not good enough. He needs to go at least 6-2 in conference next year and make the CCG. No excuses.

It was on the UofM website & its tentative. If it holds, we’d avoid UTSA.

https://gotigersgo.com/sports/football/schedule/2023

The narrative for this year from Ryan's people has somehow become lack of experience (players, not coaches). We're supposed to forget that he's had 3 recruiting classes now, along with the portal and his tenure under Norvell. So I went back and looked at our experience, once again.

Based on the 2-deep for the final game of the year, we had:
1 true freshman
77% with at least 3 years exp
15 guys with 5-6 yrs exp

Doesn't sound that young/inexperienced to me. So I compared it against UCF - the AAC benchmark (I just threw-up in my mouth):
6 true freshmen
78% with at least 3 yrs exp
13 guys with 5-6 yrs exp

Don't feed me the "inexperienced" bull.

(12-05-2022 05:48 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(12-05-2022 12:52 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(12-04-2022 10:13 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  With the lighter conference slate, I think we’d all like to know what the barometer is. Surely, he’ll win more games in “CUSA II, the Relapse” than he did in the AAC. We lose Houston & UCF off of this year’s schedule & replace them with more favorable games for our current program… UAB & Charlotte. In conference, if Ryan can win @Charlotte, @Temple & then beat Navy, USF & SMU at home; & can manage to go 2-2 in the non-conference; he will end up 7-5. Is that improvement?

Wins
@Charlotte (3-9)
@Arkansas State (3-9)
Bethune Cookman (2-9)
@ Temple (3-9)
Navy (4-7)
USF (1-11)
SMU (7-5)

Losses
@Mizzou (6-6)
Tulane (11-2)
Boise (9-4)
@UAB (6-6)
@North Texas (7-6)

Just beat 1 team with a winning record… Is that all Laird needs to show improvement?

Where did you get your 2023 schedule info? I don't think the new AAC schedule is out. If you're just making assumptions, I guess that is as good as any.

To me, it's less about total wins, and more about where we finish in the AAC vs our peers. The key is to challenge for the conference champ to put ourselves in the best position for postseason and exposure. If we go 5-3 in conference, yes it's incremental improvement. However it's still not enough to get us in the AAC CCG. It would probably put us 5th place. Not good enough. He needs to go at least 6-2 in conference next year and make the CCG. No excuses.

It was on the UofM website & its tentative. If it holds, we’d avoid UTSA.

https://gotigersgo.com/sports/football/schedule/2023

Wow. That's hard to believe, since the AAC is notoriously late about getting out conference schedules. Oh well.

(12-05-2022 12:46 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(12-03-2022 03:57 PM)bigbob Wrote:  All of this is ridiculous

Name the schools who haven’t had off cycles in the past 10 years? Ole Miss? TN? Texas? A&M? Fl St? Houston? UCF?

Many have had loss seasons and real setbacks

Our setback is to 6-6 with 7-8 games within a touchdown

Ryan was 8-3 until the experience gap hit; we played 38 redshirt sophomores or less in experience with a top tier QB who will be back

IF next year’s record is the same, it will be time

But getting a new coach now would lose Hennigan and a lot of top tier talent as well as the highest ranked recruiting class in history and virtually guarantee a 3-year rebuild to get where we are

Yes, everyone has an off-year. The problem is Ryan was hired under the exact, explicitly stated premise of continuing the momentum. No rebuild necessary. This train is rolling, and who better to continue that than Ryan. And now we've stacked back to back bottom-half AAC seasons in years 2-3. It's not the 6-6 seasons, it's the 7th and now 8th place finish in the AAC. The momentum has fully dissolved.

As for the lack of playmakers and experience gap, whose fault is that? Ryan has 3 years of recruiting classes now, along with the last 2 years of Norvell when he was the deputy HC.

We heard last year that due to the "once-in-a-century" level of injuries that had unfortunately befallen us, we were having to play all these young guys. But it would pay off because they were getting great experience!

Then this year, we entered the season with fewer than 4 guys on the 2-deep depth chart with less than 2-years experience. One of them being Seth and the other being Rubin - who had both beaten out upperclassmen for their positions. We had a ton of 4th and 5th year guys on the depth chart. I don't buy the experience problem one bit.

We need something to motivate fans. Even if we lost Seth and other recruits from a coaching change, we could still sell hope. And with the right coach, with portal and NIL, a rebuild can happen more quickly than ever.

The excuses sound just like last year. Just substitute "injuries" with "experience". Next year, what will it be - weather? More importantly...Next year, who will care?

(12-05-2022 06:42 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  The narrative for this year from Ryan's people has somehow become lack of experience (players, not coaches). We're supposed to forget that he's had 3 recruiting classes now, along with the portal and his tenure under Norvell. So I went back and looked at our experience, once again.

Based on the 2-deep for the final game of the year, we had:
1 true freshman
77% with at least 3 years exp
15 guys with 5-6 yrs exp

Doesn't sound that young/inexperienced to me. So I compared it against UCF - the AAC benchmark (I just threw-up in my mouth):
6 true freshmen
78% with at least 3 yrs exp
13 guys with 5-6 yrs exp

Don't feed me the "inexperienced" bull.

This is such wonderfully awesome insight....Admittedly, these statistics are quite revealing...I try NOT to be a pessimist or harsh to the ears of truly "loyal" fans, whom out of graciousness give give and give without resolve to the name and support wholeheartedly....However, these are LIES, blatant;obvious lies....We're being lied to....I don't appreciate it one iota.....There needs to be accountability.....I sincerely appreciate this level o insight and generating info....I know a snake when I see one....Lying in my book is the worst trait that a person or entity can have...It's dangerous as well as it shields more than one could imagine....Fans are being take advantage of, In more ways than one.....

That's the reason I've made posts , they may ruffle feathers, I have tremendous insight to know when something isn't right....I have no recourse sounding the alarm...... DEMAND ACCOUNTABILITY NOW MEMPHIS ....Where there is smoke.......

We tend to think that crooks are ONLY identified by hoodies;masks;dark clothing and gloves....The MOST notorious and most deceptive wear suits

https://twitter.com/hitman__03

https://twitter.com/seth_henigan

(12-07-2022 12:06 AM)DallasTiger Wrote:  https://twitter.com/hitman__03

https://twitter.com/seth_henigan

Admin listening to players saying RS was the right man for the job is part of why we are where we are.