(08-02-2022 11:08 PM)Gemofthehills Wrote:  

(08-02-2022 04:07 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(08-02-2022 03:36 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(07-31-2022 10:24 AM)JackedUp Wrote:  

(07-30-2022 11:20 PM)inutech Wrote:  You happen to notice what happened to Tech's coach before Konkel?

It's not a new thing for successful coaches to get hired away. It's not even new for them to take their players with them (it's just a little more convenient).

It's also not a relevant argument because it's (still) true for everyone. AAC coaches get hired away, MWC coaches get hired away. CUSA coaches get hired away. SB coaches get hired away.

So the relative rankings aren't really related to this fact at all. It's just more crowing about keeping a decent coach who hasn't yet got the big enough offer.

Yep the G5 coaches get hired away by P5 if successful, at the FCS level either assistant level or G5 job.

SideJoe seems like a super optimistic dude. Definitely unrealistic and out of touch with reality. He said in another thread “As UNT keeps up with the college arms race”

Well Joe, that ship sailed 10 years ago. $2 million from the AAC/ESPN is not going to change UNT’s lot. Or a bloated commuter student budget.

These big budgets G5 schools UNT, FIU, ODU haven’t been successful.

I can’t remember UNT ever being successful in recent times except the last couple years in basketball. That’s it. So all that commuter students budget hasn’t produced any results. Maybe that 2 million AAC contract might help, but I seriously doubt it

Oh man. I keep forgetting that y’all hired Ray Harper What a piece of **** he is.

You really want to talk **** about ODU in a basketball thread friend?

Ray Harper has took a team to the NCAA Tourney 4 times in 11 years at a D1 school....

ODU had 1 NCAA bid in those 11 years. One less that Jax St 2 NCAA Bids during that same 11 years.

I didnt see it as talking **** he seems to be pointing out FACTS and those are the facts that ODU large budget hasnt help them over lower budget schools.

I believe you are now a visitor to this board and calling a member coach a piece of **** is ...trolling, smack and probably against a couple more rules. And a good way to end this bullcrap from SBC posters that believe they can say what ever they want on a CUSA board is to report post that are doing just that.

Thanks for the support.

JSU has a target on its back from SBC posters since our fans arent buying into the BS of the SBC greatness. Heck their folks arent really believe it or they would not be over here still trying to sell the BS.

Odu thinks they're a basketball school cuz of their d2 history. They haven't come close to sniffing that kind of success in d1. Their basketball program is better fitted for the lowly belt.

(08-03-2022 07:01 AM)JCMiner Wrote:  

(08-02-2022 11:08 PM)Gemofthehills Wrote:  

(08-02-2022 04:07 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(08-02-2022 03:36 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(07-31-2022 10:24 AM)JackedUp Wrote:  Yep the G5 coaches get hired away by P5 if successful, at the FCS level either assistant level or G5 job.

SideJoe seems like a super optimistic dude. Definitely unrealistic and out of touch with reality. He said in another thread “As UNT keeps up with the college arms race”

Well Joe, that ship sailed 10 years ago. $2 million from the AAC/ESPN is not going to change UNT’s lot. Or a bloated commuter student budget.

These big budgets G5 schools UNT, FIU, ODU haven’t been successful.

I can’t remember UNT ever being successful in recent times except the last couple years in basketball. That’s it. So all that commuter students budget hasn’t produced any results. Maybe that 2 million AAC contract might help, but I seriously doubt it

Oh man. I keep forgetting that y’all hired Ray Harper What a piece of **** he is.

You really want to talk **** about ODU in a basketball thread friend?

Ray Harper has took a team to the NCAA Tourney 4 times in 11 years at a D1 school....

ODU had 1 NCAA bid in those 11 years. One less that Jax St 2 NCAA Bids during that same 11 years.

I didnt see it as talking **** he seems to be pointing out FACTS and those are the facts that ODU large budget hasnt help them over lower budget schools.

I believe you are now a visitor to this board and calling a member coach a piece of **** is ...trolling, smack and probably against a couple more rules. And a good way to end this bullcrap from SBC posters that believe they can say what ever they want on a CUSA board is to report post that are doing just that.

Thanks for the support.

JSU has a target on its back from SBC posters since our fans arent buying into the BS of the SBC greatness. Heck their folks arent really believe it or they would not be over here still trying to sell the BS.

Odu thinks they're a basketball school cuz of their d2 history. They haven't come close to sniffing that kind of success in d1. Their basketball program is better fitted for the lowly belt.

And people are trying to call me a troll.

Unless you’re a Middle Tennessee fan nobody in this conference has any room to talk as we own the head to head record against the rest of y’all (UAB does as well if you go back to the old Sun Belt days but not in CUSA play).

Edit: We’re 10-10 against Marshall

(08-03-2022 09:05 AM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(08-03-2022 07:01 AM)JCMiner Wrote:  

(08-02-2022 11:08 PM)Gemofthehills Wrote:  

(08-02-2022 04:07 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(08-02-2022 03:36 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  Oh man. I keep forgetting that y’all hired Ray Harper What a piece of **** he is.

You really want to talk **** about ODU in a basketball thread friend?

Ray Harper has took a team to the NCAA Tourney 4 times in 11 years at a D1 school....

ODU had 1 NCAA bid in those 11 years. One less that Jax St 2 NCAA Bids during that same 11 years.

I didnt see it as talking **** he seems to be pointing out FACTS and those are the facts that ODU large budget hasnt help them over lower budget schools.

I believe you are now a visitor to this board and calling a member coach a piece of **** is ...trolling, smack and probably against a couple more rules. And a good way to end this bullcrap from SBC posters that believe they can say what ever they want on a CUSA board is to report post that are doing just that.

Thanks for the support.

JSU has a target on its back from SBC posters since our fans arent buying into the BS of the SBC greatness. Heck their folks arent really believe it or they would not be over here still trying to sell the BS.

Odu thinks they're a basketball school cuz of their d2 history. They haven't come close to sniffing that kind of success in d1. Their basketball program is better fitted for the lowly belt.

And people are trying to call me a troll.

Unless you’re a Middle Tennessee fan nobody in this conference has any room to talk as we own the head to head record against the rest of y’all (UAB does as well if you go back to the old Sun Belt days but not in CUSA play).

Edit: We’re 10-10 against Marshall

Cool story. How many times have you won an NCAAT game?

(08-03-2022 10:11 AM)JCMiner Wrote:  

(08-03-2022 09:05 AM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(08-03-2022 07:01 AM)JCMiner Wrote:  

(08-02-2022 11:08 PM)Gemofthehills Wrote:  

(08-02-2022 04:07 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  Ray Harper has took a team to the NCAA Tourney 4 times in 11 years at a D1 school....

ODU had 1 NCAA bid in those 11 years. One less that Jax St 2 NCAA Bids during that same 11 years.

I didnt see it as talking **** he seems to be pointing out FACTS and those are the facts that ODU large budget hasnt help them over lower budget schools.

I believe you are now a visitor to this board and calling a member coach a piece of **** is ...trolling, smack and probably against a couple more rules. And a good way to end this bullcrap from SBC posters that believe they can say what ever they want on a CUSA board is to report post that are doing just that.

Thanks for the support.

JSU has a target on its back from SBC posters since our fans arent buying into the BS of the SBC greatness. Heck their folks arent really believe it or they would not be over here still trying to sell the BS.

Odu thinks they're a basketball school cuz of their d2 history. They haven't come close to sniffing that kind of success in d1. Their basketball program is better fitted for the lowly belt.

And people are trying to call me a troll.

Unless you’re a Middle Tennessee fan nobody in this conference has any room to talk as we own the head to head record against the rest of y’all (UAB does as well if you go back to the old Sun Belt days but not in CUSA play).

Edit: We’re 10-10 against Marshall

Cool story. How many times have you won an NCAAT game?

I mean, it’s not as cool of a story as Glory Road but it’s a fact.

(08-03-2022 10:29 AM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(08-03-2022 10:11 AM)JCMiner Wrote:  

(08-03-2022 09:05 AM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(08-03-2022 07:01 AM)JCMiner Wrote:  

(08-02-2022 11:08 PM)Gemofthehills Wrote:  Thanks for the support.

JSU has a target on its back from SBC posters since our fans arent buying into the BS of the SBC greatness. Heck their folks arent really believe it or they would not be over here still trying to sell the BS.

Odu thinks they're a basketball school cuz of their d2 history. They haven't come close to sniffing that kind of success in d1. Their basketball program is better fitted for the lowly belt.

And people are trying to call me a troll.

Unless you’re a Middle Tennessee fan nobody in this conference has any room to talk as we own the head to head record against the rest of y’all (UAB does as well if you go back to the old Sun Belt days but not in CUSA play).

Edit: We’re 10-10 against Marshall

Cool story. How many times have you won an NCAAT game?

I mean, it’s not as cool of a story as Glory Road but it’s a fact.

Your 3 wins in the big dance is the second most in the SB. Looks like a match made in heaven.

(08-03-2022 11:49 AM)JCMiner Wrote:  

(08-03-2022 10:29 AM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(08-03-2022 10:11 AM)JCMiner Wrote:  

(08-03-2022 09:05 AM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(08-03-2022 07:01 AM)JCMiner Wrote:  Odu thinks they're a basketball school cuz of their d2 history. They haven't come close to sniffing that kind of success in d1. Their basketball program is better fitted for the lowly belt.

And people are trying to call me a troll.

Unless you’re a Middle Tennessee fan nobody in this conference has any room to talk as we own the head to head record against the rest of y’all (UAB does as well if you go back to the old Sun Belt days but not in CUSA play).

Edit: We’re 10-10 against Marshall

Cool story. How many times have you won an NCAAT game?

I mean, it’s not as cool of a story as Glory Road but it’s a fact.

Your 3 wins in the big dance is the second most in the SB. Looks like a match made in heaven.

Yep. They’ll probably run through that league and still get the usual Sunbelt 16 seed.

Just like App State running through the Sunbelt in football and be rewarded with a bowl game against Toledo.

We’d have been midpack SB last year unfortunately.

Of course, it's still really early, however the 2022-23 NET data is now out. I'll probably go through the same exercise again during the season taking the current NET data and applying it to current vs future conference memberships.

https://stats.ncaa.org/selection_ranking...ties/28103

Future C USA member Sam Houston ranked #7.

(12-05-2022 09:34 AM)topper1296 Wrote:  Of course, it's still really early, however the 2022-23 NET data is now out. I'll probably go through the same exercise again during the season taking the current NET data and applying it to current vs future conference memberships.

https://stats.ncaa.org/selection_ranking...ties/28103

See who is sitting at #23?

Rankings
#23 FAU
#54 UAB
#68 UNT
#73 Charlotte
#75 LaTech
#112 MTSU
#123 WKU
#174 UTEP
#254 Rice
#305 UTSA (ouch)
#319 FIU

Future:
#7 SHSU
#124 NMSU
#127 LU
#157 KSU
#235 JSU

(12-05-2022 10:07 AM)Dusky Wrote:  

(12-05-2022 09:34 AM)topper1296 Wrote:  Of course, it's still really early, however the 2022-23 NET data is now out. I'll probably go through the same exercise again during the season taking the current NET data and applying it to current vs future conference memberships.

https://stats.ncaa.org/selection_ranking...ties/28103

See who is sitting at #23?

We do. Sam Houston at #7 in the country and Southern Miss at #31 shows how incredibly flawed this ranking system is.

Average NET:
Current CUSA: 143.63 (5/11 in top 100)
New CUSA: 145.30 (2/10 in top 100)
Current AAC: 151.36 (4/11 in top 100)
Future AAC: 156.78 (6/14 in top 100)

(12-05-2022 10:15 AM)Shadow_Son Wrote:  

(12-05-2022 10:07 AM)Dusky Wrote:  

(12-05-2022 09:34 AM)topper1296 Wrote:  Of course, it's still really early, however the 2022-23 NET data is now out. I'll probably go through the same exercise again during the season taking the current NET data and applying it to current vs future conference memberships.

https://stats.ncaa.org/selection_ranking...ties/28103

See who is sitting at #23?

We do. Sam Houston at #7 in the country and Southern Miss at #31 shows how incredibly flawed this ranking system is.

Sorry but Sam Houston has the 9th ranked SOS with 2 power 5 wins to teams who have done incredibly well since playing SHSU, and Sam's only loss was to a Nevada squad whose only loss was in OT to Kansas St. Sam Houston worked hard for that SOS and to be a only 1 loss team is really impressive.

It’ll be interesting, and this is incredibly early and VERY likely to change, but if trends hold CUSA could legitimately finish as the 8th best conference behind P6 & MWC and slightly above AAC. Could we see 3 bid CUSA? Already look much better and ranked better than A10, MVC, SoCon, SBC, etc.

(12-05-2022 10:36 AM)Bearkat21 Wrote:  

(12-05-2022 10:15 AM)Shadow_Son Wrote:  

(12-05-2022 10:07 AM)Dusky Wrote:  

(12-05-2022 09:34 AM)topper1296 Wrote:  Of course, it's still really early, however the 2022-23 NET data is now out. I'll probably go through the same exercise again during the season taking the current NET data and applying it to current vs future conference memberships.

https://stats.ncaa.org/selection_ranking...ties/28103

See who is sitting at #23?

We do. Sam Houston at #7 in the country and Southern Miss at #31 shows how incredibly flawed this ranking system is.

Sorry but Sam Houston has the 9th ranked SOS with 2 power 5 wins to teams who have done incredibly well since playing SHSU, and Sam's only loss was to a Nevada squad whose only loss was in OT to Kansas St. Sam Houston worked hard for that SOS and to be a only 1 loss team is really impressive.

Credit to Sam Houston who HAS done well early on, and I look forward to your addition as a basketball school if you can keep it up. Here's how they stack up in all the other ranking metric sites:

Kenpom: 91
Barttorvik: 73
Haslametrics: 81
Evan Miya: 91
Sagarin: 99

If you or anyone else thinks SHSU is a top 10 team in America, it may be well past time for a doctor's visit. Also, Southern Miss who appears here at #31 just lost to Northwestern State. The NET ratings tend to even out towards the end of the season, but the early releases are just a complete joke.

(12-05-2022 10:50 AM)Shadow_Son Wrote:  

(12-05-2022 10:36 AM)Bearkat21 Wrote:  

(12-05-2022 10:15 AM)Shadow_Son Wrote:  

(12-05-2022 10:07 AM)Dusky Wrote:  

(12-05-2022 09:34 AM)topper1296 Wrote:  Of course, it's still really early, however the 2022-23 NET data is now out. I'll probably go through the same exercise again during the season taking the current NET data and applying it to current vs future conference memberships.

https://stats.ncaa.org/selection_ranking...ties/28103

See who is sitting at #23?

We do. Sam Houston at #7 in the country and Southern Miss at #31 shows how incredibly flawed this ranking system is.

Sorry but Sam Houston has the 9th ranked SOS with 2 power 5 wins to teams who have done incredibly well since playing SHSU, and Sam's only loss was to a Nevada squad whose only loss was in OT to Kansas St. Sam Houston worked hard for that SOS and to be a only 1 loss team is really impressive.

Credit to Sam Houston who HAS done well early on, and I look forward to your addition as a basketball school if you can keep it up. Here's how they stack up in all the other ranking metric sites:

Kenpom: 91
Barttorvik: 73
Haslametrics: 81
Evan Miya: 91
Sagarin: 99

If you or anyone else thinks SHSU is a top 10 team in America, it may be well past time for a doctor's visit. Also, Southern Miss who appears here at #31 just lost to Northwestern State. The NET ratings tend to even out towards the end of the season, but the early releases are just a complete joke.

Towards the end of the season, they will definitely not be top 10. If it weren't for our SOS, we would not be that high, but we should cause problems for other teams in the WAC this season. We have a mixed bag on this team when it comes to age so hopefully, we'll keep it up but for now based on the NET metrics SHSU has earned the 7th spot and we'll gladly take it. And no that does not mean I think they need to be ranked in the AP top 25 (Honestly think we could win every single game from here on out and not be ranked in the top 25 because we are not a brand name basketball school). I'll take the early season accolades while we can get them and hope to add value to C USA next season.

(12-05-2022 10:50 AM)Shadow_Son Wrote:  

(12-05-2022 10:36 AM)Bearkat21 Wrote:  

(12-05-2022 10:15 AM)Shadow_Son Wrote:  

(12-05-2022 10:07 AM)Dusky Wrote:  

(12-05-2022 09:34 AM)topper1296 Wrote:  Of course, it's still really early, however the 2022-23 NET data is now out. I'll probably go through the same exercise again during the season taking the current NET data and applying it to current vs future conference memberships.

https://stats.ncaa.org/selection_ranking...ties/28103

See who is sitting at #23?

We do. Sam Houston at #7 in the country and Southern Miss at #31 shows how incredibly flawed this ranking system is.

Sorry but Sam Houston has the 9th ranked SOS with 2 power 5 wins to teams who have done incredibly well since playing SHSU, and Sam's only loss was to a Nevada squad whose only loss was in OT to Kansas St. Sam Houston worked hard for that SOS and to be a only 1 loss team is really impressive.

Credit to Sam Houston who HAS done well early on, and I look forward to your addition as a basketball school if you can keep it up. Here's how they stack up in all the other ranking metric sites:

Kenpom: 91
Barttorvik: 73
Haslametrics: 81
Evan Miya: 91
Sagarin: 99

If you or anyone else thinks SHSU is a top 10 team in America, it may be well past time for a doctor's visit. Also, Southern Miss who appears here at #31 just lost to Northwestern State. The NET ratings tend to even out towards the end of the season, but the early releases are just a complete joke.

While I'm not disagreeing with your thoughts on the NET most if not all of those you listed start the season based on LAST YEAR results added into the mix so it takes to mid season before its totally based on everything from the current season.

The NET starts the season based off what has happened since this current season started. So while SHSU might not (they are not) be a top 10 or even a top 25 AP ranked team. They are in the current NET ratings.

This early in the season those rating can go up or down very easily with so few games into the mix. So that's where I do agree with you and the more SHSU plays they will likely to drop. Even in winning they will drop once conference play starts.

Now I will add Western is always a outsider in this NET rating.....Western seems to find a early spot in the 125 up range and stays there (up or down a few spots) during the season. Stansbury still hasn't learned how to play the game....leaving the subs in way too long at the end of the AP game. I bet even in winning a road game that was a negative to the NET....up 13 would have been a positive.

Rankings
#23 FAU - rpi 59
#54 UAB- rpi 106
#68 UNT - rpi 105
#73 Charlotte - rpi 65
#75 LaTech - rpi 159
#112 MTSU - rpi 118
#123 WKU - rpi 102
#174 UTEP - rpi 66
#254 Rice - rpi 188
#305 UTSA - rpi 320
#319 FIU - rpi 339

Future:
#7 SHSU - rpi 5
#124 NMSU - rpi 72
#127 LU - rpi 135
#157 KSU - rpi 163
#235 JSU - rpi 214

Here are those NET rankings side-by-side with the old RPI. Some are drastically different, such as UAB, LaTech, UTEP, and Rice

Start of 2022-23 data

NET data thru 12.5.22 (very early data and will change a lot as we move forward). I plan/hope on updating this weekly (probably on Sundays).
https://stats.ncaa.org/selection_ranking...ties/22483

Current CUSA
Fla. Atlantic 23
UAB 54
North Texas 68
Charlotte 73
Louisiana Tech 85
Middle Tenn. 112
Western Ky. 123
UTEP 174
Rice 254
UTSA 305
FIU 313
Average 144

Future CUSA
Sam Houston 7
Louisiana Tech 85
Middle Tenn. 112
Western Ky. 123
New Mexico St. 124
Liberty 127
Kennesaw St. 157
UTEP 174
Jacksonville St. 235
FIU 313
Average 146

Average comps based on future conference affiliations:
MWC 109
CUSA 146
AAC 158
MVC 174
A-10 179
SBC 184
MAC 220

Average NET variance between the current and future conference membership:
AAC drops <5> spots
CUSA drops <2> spots

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Below shows the number of Quad 1 wins and the number of Quad 4 losses (AKA good wins vs bad losses). The SBC still has zero Quad 1 wins so far (the SBC was the only FBC conference last year with zero Quad 1 wins).

Future AAC
Quad 1 wins - 2
Quad 4 losses - 7

Future CUSA
Quad 1 wins - 2
Quad 4 losses - 4

SBC
Quad 1 wins - 0
Quad 4 losses - 12