(10-30-2022 05:19 PM)EagleHawk Wrote:  

(10-30-2022 10:09 AM)Jerry Weaver Wrote:  Two things you can take to the bank:

1) Creighton is not getting a better job offer.

2) We are not buying him out either. Just too much money.

BINGO.

Creighton will be here until he decides he doesn't want to be.

And he’ll keep getting angrier and angrier…

(10-30-2022 07:27 PM)Ken Barna Wrote:  Dear EagleHawk,
I hope you are wrong about Creighton hanging around, but if you are correct, then we have 5-7, 6-6, or maybe 7-5 records to look forward to eternity.

Vs below .500 that we had for 30 plus years that seemed like an eternity

(10-30-2022 07:27 PM)Ken Barna Wrote:  Dear EagleHawk,
I hope you are wrong about Creighton hanging around, but if you are correct, then we have 5-7, 6-6, or maybe 7-5 records to look forward to eternity.

Poll all the coaches in America and you will find that the EMU head coaching job is the least desirable job in DI football. It just is. Just the fact that some people are calling for his firing after narrowly losing to Toledo highlights how far this program has come since he took over. Thankfully, most people understand this.

(10-31-2022 06:09 AM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  

(10-30-2022 07:27 PM)Ken Barna Wrote:  Dear EagleHawk,
I hope you are wrong about Creighton hanging around, but if you are correct, then we have 5-7, 6-6, or maybe 7-5 records to look forward to eternity.

Poll all the coaches in America and you will find that the EMU head coaching job is the least desirable job in DI football. It just is. Just the fact that some people are calling for his firing after narrowly losing to Toledo highlights how far this program has come since he took over. Thankfully, most people understand this.

I think the whole situation with Creighton can be summed up by what by boss once told me. I had a co-worker who came in every day, their work was not great, but they got somethings done and you could at leas count on them being there. My boss was often frustrated with some of the quality of their work and I asked why we don't...move on from that person. He told me "at least I know what I'm going to get." He went on to explain that sure we could get rid of this person, but will anyone then apply for the opening? The employee isn't THAT bad, so it was possible their replacement could be worse.

I think most people are worried about the unknown. Who would replace him? Would they even be able to do a better job? No one really knows the answers to those questions.

I'm quite frustrated, but I'm not all in on the FIRE CREIGHTON crew. What I would like to see him do is give up control of the offense and try to find someone with an innovated offensive mind. That would probably take some $$ from the University that I don't know if he could get, or trying to find some young up and comer from a lower level.

(10-31-2022 06:25 AM)Sellers dweller Wrote:  

(10-31-2022 06:09 AM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  

(10-30-2022 07:27 PM)Ken Barna Wrote:  Dear EagleHawk,
I hope you are wrong about Creighton hanging around, but if you are correct, then we have 5-7, 6-6, or maybe 7-5 records to look forward to eternity.

Poll all the coaches in America and you will find that the EMU head coaching job is the least desirable job in DI football. It just is. Just the fact that some people are calling for his firing after narrowly losing to Toledo highlights how far this program has come since he took over. Thankfully, most people understand this.

I think the whole situation with Creighton can be summed up by what by boss once told me. I had a co-worker who came in every day, their work was not great, but they got somethings done and you could at leas count on them being there. My boss was often frustrated with some of the quality of their work and I asked why we don't...move on from that person. He told me "at least I know what I'm going to get." He went on to explain that sure we could get rid of this person, but will anyone then apply for the opening? The employee isn't THAT bad, so it was possible their replacement could be worse.

I think most people are worried about the unknown. Who would replace him? Would they even be able to do a better job? No one really knows the answers to those questions.

I'm quite frustrated, but I'm not all in on the FIRE CREIGHTON crew. What I would like to see him do is give up control of the offense and try to find someone with an innovated offensive mind. That would probably take some $$ from the University that I don't know if he could get, or trying to find some young up and comer from a lower level.

Good post.

With the help of Wikipedia, I'm going to use the AKRON ZIPS as an example of what happens when thing go bad (changing HCs):

J. D. Brookhart 2004–09 30–42 .417
Rob Ianello 2010–11 2–22 .083
Terry Bowden 2012–2018 35–52 .402
Tom Arth 2019–2021 3–24 .111
Joe Moorhead 2022–pres. 1-8 .111

Let's look at this picture:

J.D. Brookhart had a losing record and eventually got fired.

Next up Rob Ianello who was a disaster... and got fired.

Next up Terry Bowden who righted the ship but eventually got fired too.

Next up Tom Arth, another disaster, and got fired.

And now Joe Moorhead, with a not too gaudy 1 - 8 record as he awaits EMU.

Do we see a pattern here??? (I do ).

Dear Friends,
I could paint a similar picture of all the MAC coaches in recent years that won their MAC division, or MAC Championship, and moved on to bigger things. There have been six or seven of them.
It's up to the athletic director to hire competent coaches.
Eastern had its own streak of bad hires from the end of the Boisture era, to the beginning of the Harkema era, and then bad again until Creighton made us mediocre.
Do any of you know about the Peter Principle? That's were Creighton is.

I think one thing not mentioned here is that CC is on the verge of his best recruiting classes ever and currently a top 5MAC class and 87 overall. If he can real this high school class in with a mix of transfers and JUCOs 2023 might be our year. We lose some very talented OL and WRs. Kline needs a bookend at LB and we need improvement on the DL.

(10-31-2022 09:25 AM)Ken Barna Wrote:  Dear Friends,
I could paint a similar picture of all the MAC coaches in recent years that won their MAC division, or MAC Championship, and moved on to bigger things. There have been six or seven of them.
It's up to the athletic director to hire competent coaches.
Eastern had its own streak of bad hires from the end of the Boisture era, to the beginning of the Harkema era, and then bad again until Creighton made us mediocre.
Do any of you know about the Peter Principle? That's were Creighton is.

Where I disagree with you, if there is a ceiling it is with EMU, not the HC.

Does anyone not think that if Emoni played for say a Missouri Valley Conference team that the arenas would be sold out, while we might average a 50% sold out arena this year?

I have always thought EMU is a low ceiling school for REVENUE sports. Sports like T&F, swimming and diving, etc. can be different. They literally reside in a different sports universe.

Powell has more turnovers than Arby's.

CC has some nice wins over P5's:
Rutgers
Illinois
Purdue
Arizona St

Dear Boca Rocket,
As nice as those wins were, it does not make up for the lack of a MAC West Championship.

(10-31-2022 12:35 PM)Ken Barna Wrote:  Dear Boca Rocket,
As nice as those wins were, it does not make up for the lack of a MAC West Championship.

Or a TOP 3 finish in the MAC West.

I’m surprised so many people are afraid of change because it could fail. Is there a big difference between 4 wins and 6/7 without any bowl wins, championship appearances, etc.? I don’t think so, but obviously I’m in the minority.

And what if we got someone better? A lot of people are saying CC is EMU’s greatest ever coach. I disagree vehemently. He’s our best supported and well-funded coach. I don’t think most of you realize how little our admin supported football financially before CC. If that resource commitment continued with a new coach, I think most would do as well, if not better.

Risk aversion makes sense when thinking about going from good to great. But to be afraid to leave .500 land is…sad.

(10-31-2022 07:04 AM)emu steve Wrote:  

(10-31-2022 06:25 AM)Sellers dweller Wrote:  

(10-31-2022 06:09 AM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  

(10-30-2022 07:27 PM)Ken Barna Wrote:  Dear EagleHawk,
I hope you are wrong about Creighton hanging around, but if you are correct, then we have 5-7, 6-6, or maybe 7-5 records to look forward to eternity.

Poll all the coaches in America and you will find that the EMU head coaching job is the least desirable job in DI football. It just is. Just the fact that some people are calling for his firing after narrowly losing to Toledo highlights how far this program has come since he took over. Thankfully, most people understand this.

I think the whole situation with Creighton can be summed up by what by boss once told me. I had a co-worker who came in every day, their work was not great, but they got somethings done and you could at leas count on them being there. My boss was often frustrated with some of the quality of their work and I asked why we don't...move on from that person. He told me "at least I know what I'm going to get." He went on to explain that sure we could get rid of this person, but will anyone then apply for the opening? The employee isn't THAT bad, so it was possible their replacement could be worse.

I think most people are worried about the unknown. Who would replace him? Would they even be able to do a better job? No one really knows the answers to those questions.

I'm quite frustrated, but I'm not all in on the FIRE CREIGHTON crew. What I would like to see him do is give up control of the offense and try to find someone with an innovated offensive mind. That would probably take some $$ from the University that I don't know if he could get, or trying to find some young up and comer from a lower level.

Good post.

With the help of Wikipedia, I'm going to use the AKRON ZIPS as an example of what happens when thing go bad (changing HCs):

J. D. Brookhart 2004–09 30–42 .417
Rob Ianello 2010–11 2–22 .083
Terry Bowden 2012–2018 35–52 .402
Tom Arth 2019–2021 3–24 .111
Joe Moorhead 2022–pres. 1-8 .111

Let's look at this picture:

J.D. Brookhart had a losing record and eventually got fired.

Next up Rob Ianello who was a disaster... and got fired.

Next up Terry Bowden who righted the ship but eventually got fired too.

Next up Tom Arth, another disaster, and got fired.

And now Joe Moorhead, with a not too gaudy 1 - 8 record as he awaits EMU.

Do we see a pattern here??? (I do ).

It’s funny you chose Akron to prove your point. I think they’re going to beat us next week.

Dear holybovine,
I agree, and I'm with you in your opening statement. I also agree with the fact that Creighton is not Eastern's greatest coach ever. Very good post.

Since this is the Toledo game site, I just want to add what a bunch of cry babies over there. They win the game, but you would think they were somehow cheated out of a greater victory. Complaining about officiating, Eastern got all the breaks, they were giving the game away and Eastern couldn't take the win. What ever happened to be happy that you won the game?

(10-31-2022 06:57 PM)holybovine Wrote:  

(10-31-2022 07:04 AM)emu steve Wrote:  

(10-31-2022 06:25 AM)Sellers dweller Wrote:  

(10-31-2022 06:09 AM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  

(10-30-2022 07:27 PM)Ken Barna Wrote:  Dear EagleHawk,
I hope you are wrong about Creighton hanging around, but if you are correct, then we have 5-7, 6-6, or maybe 7-5 records to look forward to eternity.

Poll all the coaches in America and you will find that the EMU head coaching job is the least desirable job in DI football. It just is. Just the fact that some people are calling for his firing after narrowly losing to Toledo highlights how far this program has come since he took over. Thankfully, most people understand this.

I think the whole situation with Creighton can be summed up by what by boss once told me. I had a co-worker who came in every day, their work was not great, but they got somethings done and you could at leas count on them being there. My boss was often frustrated with some of the quality of their work and I asked why we don't...move on from that person. He told me "at least I know what I'm going to get." He went on to explain that sure we could get rid of this person, but will anyone then apply for the opening? The employee isn't THAT bad, so it was possible their replacement could be worse.

I think most people are worried about the unknown. Who would replace him? Would they even be able to do a better job? No one really knows the answers to those questions.

I'm quite frustrated, but I'm not all in on the FIRE CREIGHTON crew. What I would like to see him do is give up control of the offense and try to find someone with an innovated offensive mind. That would probably take some $$ from the University that I don't know if he could get, or trying to find some young up and comer from a lower level.

Good post.

With the help of Wikipedia, I'm going to use the AKRON ZIPS as an example of what happens when thing go bad (changing HCs):

J. D. Brookhart 2004–09 30–42 .417
Rob Ianello 2010–11 2–22 .083
Terry Bowden 2012–2018 35–52 .402
Tom Arth 2019–2021 3–24 .111
Joe Moorhead 2022–pres. 1-8 .111

Let's look at this picture:

J.D. Brookhart had a losing record and eventually got fired.

Next up Rob Ianello who was a disaster... and got fired.

Next up Terry Bowden who righted the ship but eventually got fired too.

Next up Tom Arth, another disaster, and got fired.

And now Joe Moorhead, with a not too gaudy 1 - 8 record as he awaits EMU.

Do we see a pattern here??? (I do ).

It’s funny you chose Akron to prove your point. I think they’re going to beat us next week.

If we lose to Akron, A team who hasn't beaten A D1 team this season, then Creighton should be fired after the game!

(10-31-2022 06:55 PM)holybovine Wrote:  I’m surprised so many people are afraid of change because it could fail. Is there a big difference between 4 wins and 6/7 without any bowl wins, championship appearances, etc.? I don’t think so, but obviously I’m in the minority.

And what if we got someone better? A lot of people are saying CC is EMU’s greatest ever coach. I disagree vehemently. He’s our best supported and well-funded coach. I don’t think most of you realize how little our admin supported football financially before CC. If that resource commitment continued with a new coach, I think most would do as well, if not better.

Risk aversion makes sense when thinking about going from good to great. But to be afraid to leave .500 land is…sad.

The problem is we've seen what Creighton can do in over 100 games, and he has been supported financially like no coach ever in EMU history! He's not won anything in almost a decade either, meaning the MAC West, MACC appearance, bowl game! He'll once again this season go 7-5! And, that's the argument! We're also not playing two big P5 games lately either! Next year should be his last opportunity! Auburn just fired their coach after 21 games going 9-12!

(10-31-2022 07:10 PM)Ken Barna Wrote:  Dear holybovine,
I agree, and I'm with you in your opening statement. I also agree with the fact that Creighton is not Eastern's greatest coach ever. Very good post.

Since this is the Toledo game site, I just want to add what a bunch of cry babies over there. They win the game, but you would think they were somehow cheated out of a greater victory. Complaining about officiating, Eastern got all the breaks, they were giving the game away and Eastern couldn't take the win. What ever happened to be happy that you won the game?

Lets see Ken number of wins, number of bowl games, beating P5 opponents for the first time etc. I don't know what metrics you use to define greatest coach because NO other EMU coach outside of Creighton has done these things.

(10-31-2022 06:55 PM)holybovine Wrote:  I’m surprised so many people are afraid of change because it could fail. Is there a big difference between 4 wins and 6/7 without any bowl wins, championship appearances, etc.? I don’t think so, but obviously I’m in the minority.

And what if we got someone better? A lot of people are saying CC is EMU’s greatest ever coach. I disagree vehemently. He’s our best supported and well-funded coach. I don’t think most of you realize how little our admin supported football financially before CC. If that resource commitment continued with a new coach, I think most would do as well, if not better.

Risk aversion makes sense when thinking about going from good to great. But to be afraid to leave .500 land is…sad.

People have to believe in the program to donate to the program. By the way English got an indoor practice facility and we got a zero return on investment win wise. All that money from the SPAC that was donated is because Creighton got this program on the right track. No Creighton no SPAC. Its really that simple.

(10-31-2022 08:48 PM)EMUGLORYDAYSthe90s Wrote:  

(10-31-2022 06:57 PM)holybovine Wrote:  

(10-31-2022 07:04 AM)emu steve Wrote:  

(10-31-2022 06:25 AM)Sellers dweller Wrote:  

(10-31-2022 06:09 AM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  Poll all the coaches in America and you will find that the EMU head coaching job is the least desirable job in DI football. It just is. Just the fact that some people are calling for his firing after narrowly losing to Toledo highlights how far this program has come since he took over. Thankfully, most people understand this.

I think the whole situation with Creighton can be summed up by what by boss once told me. I had a co-worker who came in every day, their work was not great, but they got somethings done and you could at leas count on them being there. My boss was often frustrated with some of the quality of their work and I asked why we don't...move on from that person. He told me "at least I know what I'm going to get." He went on to explain that sure we could get rid of this person, but will anyone then apply for the opening? The employee isn't THAT bad, so it was possible their replacement could be worse.

I think most people are worried about the unknown. Who would replace him? Would they even be able to do a better job? No one really knows the answers to those questions.

I'm quite frustrated, but I'm not all in on the FIRE CREIGHTON crew. What I would like to see him do is give up control of the offense and try to find someone with an innovated offensive mind. That would probably take some $$ from the University that I don't know if he could get, or trying to find some young up and comer from a lower level.

Good post.

With the help of Wikipedia, I'm going to use the AKRON ZIPS as an example of what happens when thing go bad (changing HCs):

J. D. Brookhart 2004–09 30–42 .417
Rob Ianello 2010–11 2–22 .083
Terry Bowden 2012–2018 35–52 .402
Tom Arth 2019–2021 3–24 .111
Joe Moorhead 2022–pres. 1-8 .111

Let's look at this picture:

J.D. Brookhart had a losing record and eventually got fired.

Next up Rob Ianello who was a disaster... and got fired.

Next up Terry Bowden who righted the ship but eventually got fired too.

Next up Tom Arth, another disaster, and got fired.

And now Joe Moorhead, with a not too gaudy 1 - 8 record as he awaits EMU.

Do we see a pattern here??? (I do ).

It’s funny you chose Akron to prove your point. I think they’re going to beat us next week.

If we lose to Akron, A team who hasn't beaten A D1 team this season, then Creighton should be fired after the game!

Maybe you and Cow can share a shoe.