(10-23-2022 02:33 PM)Garrettabc Wrote:  Forget about the tv money for now, the ACC can negotiate better 13 years from now. So what if UMd and USCe are not happy with their current conferences expansion toward the West, they see a small window to rejoin the ACC before the ACC becomes full.

Would you as a fan like to see these 2 back?

Would the ACC take them back?

How would the fans from these 2 schools feel about being back in the ACC?

Neither school has an interest in leaving the stability of their P2 conference, but if we’re dreaming…

As a fan, I’d take them back. I enjoyed watching games at College Park and have relatives who went to school there. If collegiate athletics ever returns to a regional endeavor, then they strengthen the conference.

With regards to the ACC, they’ll do whatever makes the most money and helps their schools’ future prospects.

About the schools’ fan bases, they could be convinced.

(10-24-2022 02:23 PM)Garrettabc Wrote:  

(10-24-2022 12:57 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(10-24-2022 10:49 AM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  South Carolina: Yes.
Maryland: Fry-Squint.gif

Were you saving that pic for a thread like this? It’s perfect!

It's amazing what you can find with Google!

(10-23-2022 03:09 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(10-23-2022 02:33 PM)Garrettabc Wrote:  ....

Would you as a fan like to see these 2 back?

Would the ACC take them back?

How would the fans from these 2 schools feel about being back in the ACC?

South Carolina - in a heartbeat.

Maryland - tbh, I'd have to think about, but probably yes.

Taking the OP as a daydream question: Yes to both, with Penn State. This realizes the original, grand vision of the ACC as an Eastern time zone entity. An identity like that is firm enough to hold steady over multiple decades.

From that core, presidents and chancellors could consider inviting a Temple, West Virginia or Rutgers if they want. They'd know this would mainly reinforce the identity and regional character of the conference.

That ship has left the barn, of course. No school on the P2 money ride now will voluntarily go off of it. Truth to tell, Penn State is the ACC's only 'money add' among all these schools anyway. The argument for the others is group appeal. They help the conference add up to something more interesting than the constituent parts.

Successful conferences manage this. Individual schools like Purdue and Auburn are not very interesting. They become more interesting in a collective that appears to suit them.

(10-24-2022 10:40 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  I'll be shocked if there's any college football at all by 2080.

Bet on a dramatically changed game by then if it is. More running and throwing, much less contact. To fans of today's game American football will look more like lacrosse, soccer, or even basketball.

(10-23-2022 02:33 PM)Garrettabc Wrote:  Forget about the tv money for now, the ACC can negotiate better 13 years from now. So what if UMd and USCe are not happy with their current conferences expansion toward the West, they see a small window to rejoin the ACC before the ACC becomes full.

Would you as a fan like to see these 2 back?

Would the ACC take them back?

How would the fans from these 2 schools feel about being back in the ACC?

Any reason why schools in P2 want to go to M3/M2?

(10-25-2022 02:51 PM)ArQ Wrote:  

(10-23-2022 02:33 PM)Garrettabc Wrote:  Forget about the tv money for now, the ACC can negotiate better 13 years from now. So what if UMd and USCe are not happy with their current conferences expansion toward the West, they see a small window to rejoin the ACC before the ACC becomes full.

Would you as a fan like to see these 2 back?

Would the ACC take them back?

How would the fans from these 2 schools feel about being back in the ACC?

Any reason why schools in P2 want to go to M3/M2?

Being with institutional peers, not wanting to play schools so far away, be a big fish in a small pond, if ESPN wills it.

(10-23-2022 02:33 PM)Garrettabc Wrote:  Forget about the tv money for now, the ACC can negotiate better 13 years from now. So what if UMd and USCe are not happy with their current conferences expansion toward the West, they see a small window to rejoin the ACC before the ACC becomes full.

Would you as a fan like to see these 2 back? USCe would be fun. For some reason, UMCP games are just boring to me. It’s just another school from Big Ten, which I don’t follow.

Would the ACC take them back? Ask ESPN.

How would the fans from these 2 schools feel about being back in the ACC?
I don’t think they would like the move.

(10-23-2022 02:33 PM)Garrettabc Wrote:  Forget about the tv money for now, the ACC can negotiate better 13 years from now. So what if UMd and USCe are not happy with their current conferences expansion toward the West, they see a small window to rejoin the ACC before the ACC becomes full.

Would you as a fan like to see these 2 back?

Would the ACC take them back?

How would the fans from these 2 schools feel about being back in the ACC?

No.

(10-27-2022 07:45 PM)ren.hoek Wrote:  

(10-23-2022 02:33 PM)Garrettabc Wrote:  Forget about the tv money for now, the ACC can negotiate better 13 years from now. So what if UMd and USCe are not happy with their current conferences expansion toward the West, they see a small window to rejoin the ACC before the ACC becomes full.

Would you as a fan like to see these 2 back?

Would the ACC take them back?

How would the fans from these 2 schools feel about being back in the ACC?

No.

It's your call regarding the chickens.

We can’t risk having chickens and turkeys in the same pen?

(10-28-2022 06:04 AM)Garrettabc Wrote:  We can’t risk having chickens and turkeys in the same pen?

If Clemson existentially does not want them, they do not get an invite. That is how the league works (or did work). That's not the same as looking down your nose on them and wanting to piss on them.

It's just a "club" courtesy. This is part of what makes things difficult for West Va. They are essentially positioned like East Carolina - overlapping into other P-5's existential turf.

(10-28-2022 10:29 AM)SouthernConfBoy Wrote:  

(10-28-2022 06:04 AM)Garrettabc Wrote:  We can’t risk having chickens and turkeys in the same pen?

If Clemson existentially does not want them, they do not get an invite. That is how the league works (or did work). That's not the same as looking down your nose on them and wanting to piss on them.

It's just a "club" courtesy. This is part of what makes things difficult for West Va. They are essentially positioned like East Carolina - overlapping into other P-5's existential turf.

I prefer crushing their souls as a member of a conference that they consider inferior. They have been riding SEC coattails while contributing nothing to the SEC's prowess since 1992 and the delicious irony is that they continue to be the little brother in SC.

As for the ACC plan of action
1. VT, Miami, and FSU get well
2. UVa, UNC, and NCSU live up to potential

It's an interesting question.

I have always felt that Syracuse would be much more relevant in the ACC with Maryland's presence in the league and that Georgia Tech would benefit from another close opponent with a large traveling fan base.

Both Maryland and South Carolina would be better off in the ACC than in their current situations even with the monetary discrepancies.
Unfortunately realignment is not based on what is good for individual schools or their conferences, but rather what is the most profitable for their media partners.

If anyone was in a horse trading frame of mind and wanted to keep the ACC at 14:
Louisville for South Carolina (almost a dead even gross revenue swap)
Pitt for Maryland.
Personal feelings aside, the conferences would be better off in the long run.

(10-29-2022 06:39 AM)XLance Wrote:  It's an interesting question.

I have always felt that Syracuse would be much more relevant in the ACC with Maryland's presence in the league and that Georgia Tech would benefit from another close opponent with a large traveling fan base.

Both Maryland and Syracuse would be better off in the ACC than in their current situations even with the monetary discrepancies.
Unfortunately realignment is not based on what is good for individual schools or their conferences, but rather what is the most profitable for their media partners.

If anyone was in a horse trading frame of mind and wanted to keep the ACC at 14:
Louisville for South Carolina (almost a dead even gross revenue swap)
Pitt for Maryland.
Personal feelings aside, the conferences would be better off in the long run.

Lets go all out and settle it all:

Big 10 West = Washington/Stanford/UCLA/USC/ND/Nebraska
Big 10 Central = Michigan/Purdue/Minnesota/Wisky/Illinois/NW
Big 10 East = BC/Rutgers/Pitt/Ohio State/Indiana/Michigan State

ACC Atlantic = Syracuse/PSU/MD/WVa
ACC East = Cincy/VT/UVa/Miami
ACC Piedmont = UNC/GT/Duke/WF
ACC South = FSU/Auburn/CU/SC

SEC East = UF/UGa/NC State/TN/KY/Louisville
SEC Gulf = Bama/Vandy/Ole Miss/MSU/LSU/TAMU
SEC West -Texas/OU/Arkansas/Mizzou/Kansas/Colorado

P15 West = WSU/OSU/Oregon/Cal/Utah
P15 Mountain = UA/ASU/BYU/TT/OSU
P15 East = ISU/KSU/TCU/Baylor/Houston

All traded out.

Purdue, NW, and Michigan State are of more value in the ACC or SEC to the ACC or SEC.
VT, WF, and SC are of more value to the B10 or SEC than in the ACC.
Louisville and Mississippi State are of more value to the ACC or P15 than they are to the SEC
Arizona, TCU, and Houston are of more value to the SEC or B10 than the P15.

You just can't maximize the value of every school with only 4 conferences.

(10-29-2022 06:39 AM)XLance Wrote:  It's an interesting question.

I have always felt that Syracuse would be much more relevant in the ACC with Maryland's presence in the league and that Georgia Tech would benefit from another close opponent with a large traveling fan base.

Both Maryland and South Carolina would be better off in the ACC than in their current situations even with the monetary discrepancies.
Unfortunately realignment is not based on what is good for individual schools or their conferences, but rather what is the most profitable for their media partners.

If anyone was in a horse trading frame of mind and wanted to keep the ACC at 14:
Louisville for South Carolina (almost a dead even gross revenue swap)
Pitt for Maryland.
Personal feelings aside, the conferences would be better off in the long run.

I'd absolutely go for this.

Here's a link to an article regarding Mike Grosso, who was a top USC basketball recruit but never got to play for the Gamecocks.

https://www.postandcourier.com/sports/ca...af6fc.html

(11-01-2022 10:18 PM)NJ2MDTerp Wrote:  Here's a link to an article regarding Mike Grosso, who was a top USC basketball recruit but never got to play for the Gamecocks.

https://www.postandcourier.com/sports/ca...af6fc.html

Wow! UNC and Duke should be paying reparations. That was low.

(11-02-2022 07:06 AM)Garrettabc Wrote:  

(11-01-2022 10:18 PM)NJ2MDTerp Wrote:  Here's a link to an article regarding Mike Grosso, who was a top USC basketball recruit but never got to play for the Gamecocks.

https://www.postandcourier.com/sports/ca...af6fc.html

Wow! UNC and Duke should be paying reparations. That was low.

Tip of the iceberg.

Duke, then UNC learned early how to us the league offices and NCAA to screw an opponent and then went to town on SC, Clemson, and NC State so to speak.

All of Clemson's angst against the ACC is rooted in actions taken by Duke over the years while they protected their athletes behind their wall of secrecy. Unless you have taken classes at Duke in their undergrad programs, you don't realize the coddling that goes on. The same kid that would not admitted at State or Clemson, gets a double major degree at UNC.

Kentucky took out NC State in the late 1950's and managed to also take NC States 1957 Orange Bowl bid and send it to - you guessed it - Duke. When Dean Smith got mad that they were not going to get David Thompson in 1972, he had Bill Guthridge call his old roommate who ran the NCAA compliance committee - put State on a one year probation for a "tryout" and stole the 1973 NCAA Title from NC State. When Clemson was caught giving out cash bonuses in football and got penalized by the NCAA, Duke and UNC made sure the Conference also acted which resulted in one of the all time clusters - Clemson acquiescing to a second year conference penalties because they were not told that they had to appeal the second year to get it removed.

With South Carolina, Frank McGuire's presence meant the Gamecocks knew the who, how, and why of Duke did what it does.

UNC also gets played and is left holding the broken bag of **** by Duke while Duke's hands stay clean.

Duke is the core cancer of the ACC. Always has been.

This is important for outsiders to understand - Duke can not help being a snake. It is what they are. It is what they have ALWAYS been because of their ego, their money, and their surroundings. This is why the SEC and B10 DO NOT WANT THEM. Duke would cause problems in the Ivy League.

Duke represents the full blossom of Apartheid/Jim Crow/Classism in the American South. At ever step Duke knew what was ethical, Godly, fair, etc., etc. Whatever you want to call it and at every step Duke does what is best for Duke, knowing they have tossed aside their ethics, religion, and morality so that they can exist another day in the catbird seat. They are like the smart, wealthy man whom Jesus really stuck it to in the New Testament - they already know the answer they seek and they don't like the answer.

Everything Duke does is built on this enduring set of dichotomies.