Tulsi Gabbard ?
@TulsiGabbard
I can no longer remain in today’s Democratic Party that is now under the complete control of an elitist cabal of warmongers driven by cowardly wokeness, who divide us by racializing every issue & stoke anti-white racism, actively work to undermine our God-given freedoms, are…
I’m leaving the Democratic Party.

…hostile to people of faith & spirituality, demonize the police & protect criminals at the expense of law-abiding Americans, believe in open borders, weaponize the national security state to go after political opponents, and above all, dragging us ever closer to nuclear war.

I believe in a government that is of, by, and for the people. Unfortunately, today’s Democratic Party does not. Instead, it stands for a government of, by, and for the powerful elite. I’m calling on my fellow common sense independent-minded Democrats to join me….

…in leaving the Democratic Party. If you can no longer stomach the direction that so-called woke Democratic Party ideologues are taking our country, I invite you to join me.

DJT moving to the center/slightly left completely broke/exposed 'em...

only been saying this shite since he announced as a pub and why "don't underestimate the Dondald" --->>> #henceDJT --->>> #DJTexperiment was necessary...

the 'nuculer' fallout has begun...

Makes sense for Tulsi, she is too far out of step with the majority of todays Democrats to get anywhere within the party. I wish her well if she intends to run for office again or take on the uphill task of trying to build a viable third option. I don't agree with her on everything by any means, but she has some good ideas and she is a very effective advocate for her positions.

(10-11-2022 07:34 AM)Gamenole Wrote:  Makes sense for Tulsi, she is too far out of step with the majority of todays Democrats to get anywhere within the party. I wish her well if she intends to run for office again or take on the uphill task of trying to build a viable third option. I don't agree with her on everything by any means, but she has some good ideas and she is a very effective advocate for her positions.

Makes sense for sane people

There's always at least a 50-50 chance that I am misunderstanding the multiple points you make in your posts, stinky. But once I've sorted out what I think it is that you are saying I usually end up nodding in agreement with some insight that I hadn't considered.

This time I am lost. Are you suggesting that Tulsi Gabbard calling out the insanity of the progressive Democrats is somehow analogous or attributable to Donald Trump? Or that it somehow vindicates his persistently counterproductive approach? 'Cause if so, I don't see it.

Donald Trump is a lot of things. But sincere is not one of them. He was just as insincere a Democrat as he now is a Republican. His claim of having switched parties is near meaningless. No one who is paying any attention honestly thinks that his switch in parties was a principled decision by Donald Trump. It was nothing more than a move to get as many cameras focused upon him as possible. And he played it like a maestro. Good for him! Was it also good for our country? Overall yes, but that's turned out to be a very mixed bag now that he managed to lose (or have stolen from him, if you prefer) a virtual lock of a reelection.

Tulsi Gabbard, I am sure, is an equally ambitious person. I have no misconception that this announcement isn't a calculated move on her part. But it at least she can present a principled rationale, and not turn our national debate into a clown show -- something that Donald does repeatedly.

More to the point, Tulsi Gabbard's conversion will be a much more difficult challenge for the left to explain away. Unlike Donald Trump's liberal credentials of having donated to Democrats and rubbing shoulders with the Clintons, she was a credible candidate for the Democrat national ticket. She also has the ability to remind us what is great about our nation, and perhaps even play the "unifier" role that Joe Biden has turned into a complete joke. Donald Trump may at one time been capable of doing that. But he certainly isn't now.

It will be interesting to see how the Tulsi Gabbard walkaway plays out. But it is wrong in the extreme to pretend that it has anything to do with Donald Trump. That, if you will forgive the cheap shot, is an example of TDS in reverse.

(10-11-2022 07:50 AM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  There's always at least a 50-50 chance that I am misunderstanding the multiple points you make in your posts, stinky. But once I've sorted out what I think it is that you are saying I usually end up nodding in agreement with some insight that I hadn't considered.

This time I am lost. Are you suggesting that Tulsi Gabbard calling out the insanity of the progressive Democrats is somehow analogous or attributable to Donald Trump? Or that it somehow vindicates his persistently counterproductive approach? 'Cause if so, I don't see it.

Donald Trump is a lot of things. But sincere is not one of them. He was just as insincere a Democrat as he now is a Republican. His claim of having switched parties is near meaningless. No one who is paying any attention honestly thinks that his switch in parties was a principled decision by Donald Trump. It was nothing more than a move to get as many cameras focused upon him as possible. And he played it like a maestro. Good for him! Was it also good for our country? Overall yes, but that's turned out to be a very mixed bag now that he managed to lose (or have stolen from him, if you prefer) a virtual lock of a reelection.

Tulsi Gabbard, I am sure, is an equally ambitious person. I have no misconception that this announcement isn't a calculated move on her part. But it at least she can present a principled rationale, and not turn our national debate into a clown show -- something that Donald does repeatedly.

More to the point, Tulsi Gabbard's conversion will be a much more difficult challenge for the left to explain away. Unlike Donald Trump donating to Democrats and rubbing shoulders with the Clintons, she was a credible candidate for the Democrat national ticket. She also has the ability to remind us what is great about our nation, and perhaps even play the "unifier" role that Joe Biden has turned into a complete joke. Donald Trump may at one time been capable of doing that. But he certainly isn't now.

It will be interesting to see how the Tulsi Gabbard walkaway plays out. But it is wrong in the extreme to pretend that it has anything to do with Donald Trump. That, if you will forgive the cheap shot, is an example of TDS in reverse.

oh geez here we go again.

(10-11-2022 07:58 AM)shere khan Wrote:  

(10-11-2022 07:50 AM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  There's always at least a 50-50 chance that I am misunderstanding the multiple points you make in your posts, stinky. But once I've sorted out what I think it is that you are saying I usually end up nodding in agreement with some insight that I hadn't considered.

This time I am lost. Are you suggesting that Tulsi Gabbard calling out the insanity of the progressive Democrats is somehow analogous or attributable to Donald Trump? Or that it somehow vindicates his persistently counterproductive approach? 'Cause if so, I don't see it.

Donald Trump is a lot of things. But sincere is not one of them. He was just as insincere a Democrat as he now is a Republican. His claim of having switched parties is near meaningless. No one who is paying any attention honestly thinks that his switch in parties was a principled decision by Donald Trump. It was nothing more than a move to get as many cameras focused upon him as possible. And he played it like a maestro. Good for him! Was it also good for our country? Overall yes, but that's turned out to be a very mixed bag now that he managed to lose (or have stolen from him, if you prefer) a virtual lock of a reelection.

Tulsi Gabbard, I am sure, is an equally ambitious person. I have no misconception that this announcement isn't a calculated move on her part. But it at least she can present a principled rationale, and not turn our national debate into a clown show -- something that Donald does repeatedly.

More to the point, Tulsi Gabbard's conversion will be a much more difficult challenge for the left to explain away. Unlike Donald Trump donating to Democrats and rubbing shoulders with the Clintons, she was a credible candidate for the Democrat national ticket. She also has the ability to remind us what is great about our nation, and perhaps even play the "unifier" role that Joe Biden has turned into a complete joke. Donald Trump may at one time been capable of doing that. But he certainly isn't now.

It will be interesting to see how the Tulsi Gabbard walkaway plays out. But it is wrong in the extreme to pretend that it has anything to do with Donald Trump. That, if you will forgive the cheap shot, is an example of TDS in reverse.

oh geez here we go again.

Much as you may despise my contributions to any discussion, shere kahn, I'm not the one who made this about Donald Trump this time. (Again, subject to the stinky-translator qualifications.)

(10-11-2022 07:50 AM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  There's always at least a 50-50 chance that I am misunderstanding the multiple points you make in your posts, stinky. But once I've sorted out what I think it is that you are saying I usually end up nodding in agreement with some insight that I hadn't considered.

This time I am lost. Are you suggesting that Tulsi Gabbard calling out the insanity of the progressive Democrats is somehow analogous or attributable to Donald Trump? Or that it somehow vindicates his persistently counterproductive approach? 'Cause if so, I don't see it.

Donald Trump is a lot of things. But sincere is not one of them. He was just as insincere a Democrat as he now is a Republican. His claim of having switched parties is near meaningless. No one who is paying any attention honestly thinks that his switch in parties was a principled decision by Donald Trump. It was nothing more than a move to get as many cameras focused upon him as possible. And he played it like a maestro. Good for him! Was it also good for our country? Overall yes, but that's turned out to be a very mixed bag now that he managed to lose (or have stolen from him, if you prefer) a virtual lock of a reelection.

Tulsi Gabbard, I am sure, is an equally ambitious person. I have no misconception that this announcement isn't a calculated move on her part. But it at least she can present a principled rationale, and not turn our national debate into a clown show -- something that Donald does repeatedly.

More to the point, Tulsi Gabbard's conversion will be a much more difficult challenge for the left to explain away. Unlike Donald Trump's liberal credentials of having donated to Democrats and rubbing shoulders with the Clintons, she was a credible candidate for the Democrat national ticket. She also has the ability to remind us what is great about our nation, and perhaps even play the "unifier" role that Joe Biden has turned into a complete joke. Donald Trump may at one time been capable of doing that. But he certainly isn't now.

It will be interesting to see how the Tulsi Gabbard walkaway plays out. But it is wrong in the extreme to pretend that it has anything to do with Donald Trump. That, if you will forgive the cheap shot, is an example of TDS in reverse.

It takes a special ability to turn logic on its head to make sense of one of my most valued posters here but once you do he makes perfect sense.

In any case her move may well be driven by a motivation to move away from the radical left. Hopefully it's shared by a few others who can no longer stand idly by and watch as the democrat party becomes an authoritarian hammer used by bad actors to beat their opposition and proponents alike into submission. Anyone who doesn't draw the conclusion that this admin is driving our country into a police state is an idiot. We are in an Orwellian transition.

(10-11-2022 07:50 AM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  There's always at least a 50-50 chance that I am misunderstanding the multiple points you make in your posts, stinky. But once I've sorted out what I think it is that you are saying I usually end up nodding in agreement with some insight that I hadn't considered.

This time I am lost. Are you suggesting that Tulsi Gabbard calling out the insanity of the progressive Democrats is somehow analogous or attributable to Donald Trump? Or that it somehow vindicates his persistently counterproductive approach? 'Cause if so, I don't see it.

Donald Trump is a lot of things. But sincere is not one of them. He was just as insincere a Democrat as he now is a Republican. His claim of having switched parties is near meaningless. No one who is paying any attention honestly thinks that his switch in parties was a principled decision by Donald Trump. It was nothing more than a move to get as many cameras focused upon him as possible. And he played it like a maestro. Good for him! Was it also good for our country? Overall yes, but that's turned out to be a very mixed bag now that he managed to lose (or have stolen from him, if you prefer) a virtual lock of a reelection.

Tulsi Gabbard, I am sure, is an equally ambitious person. I have no misconception that this announcement isn't a calculated move on her part. But it at least she can present a principled rationale, and not turn our national debate into a clown show -- something that Donald does repeatedly.

More to the point, Tulsi Gabbard's conversion will be a much more difficult challenge for the left to explain away. Unlike Donald Trump's liberal credentials of having donated to Democrats and rubbing shoulders with the Clintons, she was a credible candidate for the Democrat national ticket. She also has the ability to remind us what is great about our nation, and perhaps even play the "unifier" role that Joe Biden has turned into a complete joke. Donald Trump may at one time been capable of doing that. But he certainly isn't now.

It will be interesting to see how the Tulsi Gabbard walkaway plays out. But it is wrong in the extreme to pretend that it has anything to do with Donald Trump. That, if you will forgive the cheap shot, is an example of TDS in reverse.

That's because you have severe TDS. Doesn't seem to be terminal like many of the Democrats.

You are just so sick with your disease you can't see his point. They reacted to their TDS by becoming irrational and supporting insane positions. And the radicals used TDS to drag the rest of the party to the distant left.

Obama moved them left, but not to an insane level. Wokeness didn't get out of control until DJT became president. They felt they needed to virtue signal. If you didn't virtue signal every single time, you didn't have a bad enough case of TDS.

So the Dems have become nuts and totalitarians in an effort to stop DJT, so they drove away Tulsi who still has common sense.

(10-11-2022 08:05 AM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  

(10-11-2022 07:58 AM)shere khan Wrote:  

(10-11-2022 07:50 AM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  There's always at least a 50-50 chance that I am misunderstanding the multiple points you make in your posts, stinky. But once I've sorted out what I think it is that you are saying I usually end up nodding in agreement with some insight that I hadn't considered.

This time I am lost. Are you suggesting that Tulsi Gabbard calling out the insanity of the progressive Democrats is somehow analogous or attributable to Donald Trump? Or that it somehow vindicates his persistently counterproductive approach? 'Cause if so, I don't see it.

Donald Trump is a lot of things. But sincere is not one of them. He was just as insincere a Democrat as he now is a Republican. His claim of having switched parties is near meaningless. No one who is paying any attention honestly thinks that his switch in parties was a principled decision by Donald Trump. It was nothing more than a move to get as many cameras focused upon him as possible. And he played it like a maestro. Good for him! Was it also good for our country? Overall yes, but that's turned out to be a very mixed bag now that he managed to lose (or have stolen from him, if you prefer) a virtual lock of a reelection.

Tulsi Gabbard, I am sure, is an equally ambitious person. I have no misconception that this announcement isn't a calculated move on her part. But it at least she can present a principled rationale, and not turn our national debate into a clown show -- something that Donald does repeatedly.

More to the point, Tulsi Gabbard's conversion will be a much more difficult challenge for the left to explain away. Unlike Donald Trump donating to Democrats and rubbing shoulders with the Clintons, she was a credible candidate for the Democrat national ticket. She also has the ability to remind us what is great about our nation, and perhaps even play the "unifier" role that Joe Biden has turned into a complete joke. Donald Trump may at one time been capable of doing that. But he certainly isn't now.

It will be interesting to see how the Tulsi Gabbard walkaway plays out. But it is wrong in the extreme to pretend that it has anything to do with Donald Trump. That, if you will forgive the cheap shot, is an example of TDS in reverse.

oh geez here we go again.

Much as you may despise my contributions to any discussion, shere kahn, I'm not the one who made this about Donald Trump this time. (Again, subject to the stinky-translator qualifications.)

i dont despise. i find it kinda amusing and comforting like a gentle spring shower. predictable.

(10-11-2022 08:54 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(10-11-2022 07:50 AM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  There's always at least a 50-50 chance that I am misunderstanding the multiple points you make in your posts, stinky. But once I've sorted out what I think it is that you are saying I usually end up nodding in agreement with some insight that I hadn't considered.

This time I am lost. Are you suggesting that Tulsi Gabbard calling out the insanity of the progressive Democrats is somehow analogous or attributable to Donald Trump? Or that it somehow vindicates his persistently counterproductive approach? 'Cause if so, I don't see it.

Donald Trump is a lot of things. But sincere is not one of them. He was just as insincere a Democrat as he now is a Republican. His claim of having switched parties is near meaningless. No one who is paying any attention honestly thinks that his switch in parties was a principled decision by Donald Trump. It was nothing more than a move to get as many cameras focused upon him as possible. And he played it like a maestro. Good for him! Was it also good for our country? Overall yes, but that's turned out to be a very mixed bag now that he managed to lose (or have stolen from him, if you prefer) a virtual lock of a reelection.

Tulsi Gabbard, I am sure, is an equally ambitious person. I have no misconception that this announcement isn't a calculated move on her part. But it at least she can present a principled rationale, and not turn our national debate into a clown show -- something that Donald does repeatedly.

More to the point, Tulsi Gabbard's conversion will be a much more difficult challenge for the left to explain away. Unlike Donald Trump's liberal credentials of having donated to Democrats and rubbing shoulders with the Clintons, she was a credible candidate for the Democrat national ticket. She also has the ability to remind us what is great about our nation, and perhaps even play the "unifier" role that Joe Biden has turned into a complete joke. Donald Trump may at one time been capable of doing that. But he certainly isn't now.

It will be interesting to see how the Tulsi Gabbard walkaway plays out. But it is wrong in the extreme to pretend that it has anything to do with Donald Trump. That, if you will forgive the cheap shot, is an example of TDS in reverse.

That's because you have severe TDS. Doesn't seem to be terminal like many of the Democrats.

You are just so sick with your disease you can't see his point. They reacted to their TDS by becoming irrational and supporting insane positions. And the radicals used TDS to drag the rest of the party to the distant left.

Obama moved them left, but not to an insane level. Wokeness didn't get out of control until DJT became president. They felt they needed to virtue signal. If you didn't virtue signal every single time, you didn't have a bad enough case of TDS.

So the Dems have become nuts and totalitarians in an effort to stop DJT, so they drove away Tulsi who still has common sense.

ding ding ding!!!

(10-11-2022 07:11 AM)shere khan Wrote:  Tulsi Gabbard ?
@TulsiGabbard
I can no longer remain in today’s Democratic Party that is now under the complete control of an elitist cabal of warmongers driven by cowardly wokeness, who divide us by racializing every issue & stoke anti-white racism, actively work to undermine our God-given freedoms, are…
I’m leaving the Democratic Party.

…hostile to people of faith & spirituality, demonize the police & protect criminals at the expense of law-abiding Americans, believe in open borders, weaponize the national security state to go after political opponents, and above all, dragging us ever closer to nuclear war.

I believe in a government that is of, by, and for the people. Unfortunately, today’s Democratic Party does not. Instead, it stands for a government of, by, and for the powerful elite. I’m calling on my fellow common sense independent-minded Democrats to join me….

…in leaving the Democratic Party. If you can no longer stomach the direction that so-called woke Democratic Party ideologues are taking our country, I invite you to join me.

But, but...Tom says that Dems are really great people and centrists.

All he said was Trump broke them. Can’t wait to see your counter argument to that.

(10-11-2022 09:23 AM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  All he said was Trump broke them. Can’t wait to see your counter argument to that.

I don't argue that.

But that's not all that he said. He also wrote: "only been saying this shite since he announced as a pub and why "don't underestimate the Dondald" --->>> #henceDJT --->>> #DJTexperiment was necessary..."

Bullet did a helpful job translating for me, and now that it has been explained I mostly agree with the point. Donald Trump was a dose of very nasty-tasting medicine that the nation needed back in 2016. I feel like we still needed it in 2020, but enough people (by hook or crook, who knows?) thought otherwise.

But trying to force that same medicine down our throats in 2022 and 2024 is a very bad idea. And suggesting that Tulsi Gabbard does not have her own agency in this decision, but instead is somehow beholden to Donald Trump, is wrong and insulting.

Tulsi Gabbard is 100 times the political talent of Donald Trump. Posters on this board may not think that. But the American population as a whole certainly does.

The funny thing is Gabbard is Center-Left on most issues. For example:

- Climate Change: Mandate an end to use of fossil fuels for electricity by 2050. Ban fracking.
- Education: Tuition free community college for all and tuition-free public universities for students who families make $125,000 or less.
- Guns: Ban assault weapons and require universal background checks
- Healthcare: Medicare for all
- Pro-Abortion, supports same-sex marriage, supports trans in the military

(10-11-2022 09:52 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  The funny thing is Gabbard is Center-Left on most issues. For example:

- Climate Change: Mandate an end to use of fossil fuels for electricity by 2050. Ban fracking.
- Education: Tuition free community college for all and tuition-free public universities for students who families make $125,000 or less.
- Guns: Ban assault weapons and require universal background checks
- Healthcare: Medicare for all
- Pro-Abortion, supports same-sex marriage, supports trans in the military

Correct. But the Dem party has gone CRAZY left, despite what some here are willing to admit.

And, Tulsi actually has an independent thought and conscience.

Oh...no...now what will we/they do?

(10-11-2022 09:58 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Oh...no...now what will we/they do?

I guess you forgot for a second that you tried to tell us you were independent.

(10-11-2022 09:58 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Oh...no...now what will we/they do?

Who seems more credible?

Tulsi Gabbard's well reasoned, fact driven position...

Or Liz Cheyney who all she can say is I HATE TRUMP.

Hmmm... once again doesn't look good for the DIM-ocrats.

(10-11-2022 10:00 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(10-11-2022 09:58 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Oh...no...now what will we/they do?

I guess you forgot for a second that you tried to tell us you were independent.

Once again, dishonest troll, you are lying. I've never once tried to tell any of you I was an independent. You're just too stupid to understand much of the English language. Posited, spell-checker vs. word-find, etc.

Further, the thread is titled telling "prog filth" to eff off...and per the OP'er, I'm clearly a progressive filth.

You're really not very good at this. Hell, I even know that by now you've already planned to reply with one of your failed AGT audition submission videos.